On Mon, Sep 17, 2001 at 01:16:49PM -0700, Mark Allan wrote:
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The important thing is to have drivers available from a source you have
some confidence in. If Linus wrote a binary-only kernel module that
provided some functionality you require, would you have faith in it?
Binary only
On Tue, 18 Sep 2001, Will Newton wrote:
On Monday 17 Sep 2001 9:16 pm, you wrote:
There's no good reason why you couldn't put an NVIDIA card in a sever
and use the open source 2D driver. You wouldn't want to enable DRI on
you server, either, because of lockup issues.
Look at it
On Tuesday 18 Sep 2001 4:36 pm, you wrote:
Look at it this way: a couple of security holes have been found in the
DRI drivers, and fixed. What's in the nVidia drivers?
What's in any binary application or driver you install?
I don't know. Er, that's my point...
People are willing to use
On Tue, 18 Sep 2001, Will Newton wrote:
On Tuesday 18 Sep 2001 4:36 pm, you wrote:
Look at it this way: a couple of security holes have been found in the
DRI drivers, and fixed. What's in the nVidia drivers?
What's in any binary application or driver you install?
I don't know.
Will Newton wrote:
On Tuesday 18 Sep 2001 4:36 pm, you wrote:
Look at it this way: a couple of security holes have been found in the
DRI drivers, and fixed. What's in the nVidia drivers?
What's in any binary application or driver you install?
I don't know. Er, that's my point...
On Tuesday 18 Sep 2001 7:10 pm, you wrote:
Although security through obscurity is not a good solution, it is
effective to a certain degree. To my knowledge, no security holes have
been found in the NVIDIA drivers. They need to be found to be exploited,
and finding them is more difficult w/
Dear Gareth,
I realize I used some very bad wording in my previous posts in this thread.
Please bear in mind that I'm not a native English speaker. It wasn't my
intention to flame or even criticize you.
I'll try very hard in this post to bring across what I really want to say, but
I'm afraid
Gareth Hughes wrote:
Mark Allan wrote:
So do we give up on open source drivers completely? I'm willing to bet
that there is some way to generate sufficient revenue to fund the DRI. I
don't know what it is, but it would be worth throwing some ideas around
rather than throwing our
Dear Gareth and all,
I think that people need to calm down --- the issue of funding seems to be
in the forefont of everyone's mind. I'm just going to enumerate some things.
1) People NEED to work for a living. If thats working for VA or PI doing
open source DRI drivers or working for
El Sáb 15 Sep 2001 02:41, escribiste:
On Friday 14 September 2001 21:08, you wrote:
That's fine -- I wasn't suggesting that. But, for the people who can
actually do this job, the r128/G400 isn't terribly interesting anymore.
Isn't the whole open source thing about developers scratching an
On Saturday 15 September 2001 07:08, you wrote:
Frank, one more time, I would like to have your work to take a look on it.
Perhaps with more eyes looking at the problem we could find something. And
if you could release your changes we could test it in another machines and
see different
On Sat, 15 Sep 2001, Frank Earl wrote:
On Saturday 15 September 2001 07:08, you wrote:
Frank, one more time, I would like to have your work to take a look on it.
Perhaps with more eyes looking at the problem we could find something. And
if you could release your changes we could test it
Gareth Hughes wrote:
Anyone who questions my dedication to this project can take it up with me
offline -- I'd be more than happy to discuss it with them.
I certainly don't question your past dedication. I appreciate it very much. I
was a bit deceived by your abandoning it though.
I think
Michel Dänzer wrote:
I certainly don't question your past dedication. I appreciate it very much. I
was a bit deceived by your abandoning it though.
Mate, if you understood the situation, you wouldn't be saying this. I will
let this pass by as a result.
My point is that nobody is
On Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 07:08:31AM +0200, Dieter Nützel wrote:
That's sad. But how the world goes.
Daryll, what are you doing, next?
Playing golf, riding motorcycles, and generally taking time off. I'm
waiting to see what happens with the relocation, and I'm looking at
other opportunities.
Dieter Nützel wrote:
Anybody (Brian, Keith?) working on the Mesa-3.5-tree?
I've didn't see any activity for some days/weeks, now.
Here's the deal. The DRI developers, including myself, have been laid-off
from VA Linux. Today (Friday) is my last day.
There's an effort to relocate us to a
Andrew James Richardson wrote:
I'm sure that everybody has their say on this but would you think of a
company set up so that people donated money in exchange of binary drivers
(source was free of course) for DRI, more like ordered donation than
business really. I for one would be
Gareth Hughes wrote:
I think people need to take a step back and have a think about how much
money it costs to support top-class developers like those work/have worked
on the DRI. We're talking hundreds of thousands of dollars a year. Unless
the IHVs (or other companies) want to support it,
Mark Allan wrote:
So do we give up on open source drivers completely? I'm willing to bet
that there is some way to generate sufficient revenue to fund the DRI. I
don't know what it is, but it would be worth throwing some ideas around
rather than throwing our hands up and saying oh, well.
I'd be willing to donate to support DRI development.
I'd even be willing to donate a substantial amount
assuming it would guarantee some results. Maybe a
project like this would catch the eye of the HW
vendors and prompt them to put more effort into
opensource drivers.
Alex
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Dear
Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote:
Another point is that binary drivers like NVIDIA are x86 only, which is
a problem for me (PPC) as Apple now bundles their cards with recent
Mac G4s.
Also, despite beeing pretty complete, the r128 driver is experiencing
all sorts of lockups (depending on the
On Friday 14 Sep 2001 11:22 pm, you wrote:
Indeed, this is a problem... Mind you, in the days of the GeForce3 (and it
successors) and Radeon 8500 (or whatever they're calling the R200), who
wants to be stuck maintaining a driver for the r128? Not me...
It's like any other open source
On Friday 14 September 2001 17:06, Gareth Hughes wrote:
Some are saying that Linux on the desktop is already dead...
Really? Somehow, I find that hard to believe with places like Largo, FL
using it on the desktop- I'm of the belief that it's still in its infancy.
Oh, congrats on scoring
On Friday 14 Sep 2001 9:25 pm, you wrote:
Is open source absolutely essential? Personally, I would rather have
binary-only drivers written by the likes of Brian, Gareth, Keith, et.
al. than binary-only drivers written by some faceless unknown.
Binary only drivers, ups and downs.
Ups:
The
Frank Earl wrote:
Some are saying that Linux on the desktop is already dead...
Really? Somehow, I find that hard to believe with places like Largo, FL
using it on the desktop- I'm of the belief that it's still in its infancy.
Again, I don't actually agree with the statement. However,
Frank Earl wrote:
How about all those people without the luxury of upgrading- say laptops
and things like iMacs? Go buy a whole new computer- not an option, when
you think about it. This is not to say you have to be doing it- but
someone ought to be doing something about it. I'm not
On Friday 14 September 2001 21:08, you wrote:
That's fine -- I wasn't suggesting that. But, for the people who can
actually do this job, the r128/G400 isn't terribly interesting anymore.
Isn't the whole open source thing about developers scratching an itch?
Cool. It just came across
Brian Paul wrote:
Here's the deal. The DRI developers, including myself, have been laid-off
from VA Linux. Today (Friday) is my last day.
That's sad. But how the world goes.
Daryll, what are you doing, next?
There's an effort to relocate us to a new organization but it's too early
to
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