[DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Encryption on Amateur Frequencies

--- In dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com, "Frank P." wrote: > > A group of ARES volunteers at a local shelter are in direct > communication with the Red Cross HQ, or a hospital, or the local > OEM. The shelter has several sick or injured individuals who need > assistance or transportation to a h

[DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Encryption on Amateur Frequencies

> Now, the FCC regulations for amateur radio, part 97, rule that > encryption cannot be used to "obscure the meaning" of communications. > First off, the word "encryption" is not in Part 97 at all. What hams are thinking of is Section 97.1 13(a)(4) of the FCC rules, which prohibits "messages in

[DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Encryption on Amateur Frequencies

Hi Charles, I suspect you're correct that your request was probably kicked around a fair deal with no one really taking that much time to read and understand it, but in the end I agree with the response your were given. I think you're suffering from the problem that many hams who are particularly

[DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Encryption on Amateur Frequencies

--- In dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com, "jack" wrote: > > OK > Lets look at this from the legal stand point. You MAY NOT use ANY form of > ENCRYPTION on ham radio! The short is do it and you risk your license as > well as a fine and or jail time. Oh please! > PLEASE read part 97.113 sub 04. > >

[DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Encryption on Amateur Frequencies

Barry, [Regarding your exercise] "A local hospital here in Denver suffered an actual loss of their internet connectivity during the day of the exercise and was unable to enter patient data from incoming casualty patients because they couldn't access the States https: database. If they had had ac

[DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Encryption on Amateur Frequencies

Hi Charlie, "We also see this time and time again even in simulations where the professional emergency services have trouble with their communications, their systems become overloaded, and there's things that need to be communicated that aren't central to their important tasks." I agree, but

[DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Encryption on Amateur Frequencies

Another way to take care of the Encrypting issue is to announce the Encryption Keys on the Frequency of your choice at the start of the day (sorry if your radio was not on or on the right frequency when the announcement was made in the clear or you don't have the necessary equipment to put the

[DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Encryption on Amateur Frequencies

--- In dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com, "Woodrick, Ed" wrote: > If you are given a file to transmit, then as long as you transmit that file intact and without encrypting it to obscure the meaning of the file, then you should be safe. Hmm... I'm not so sure about that... if you *unknowingly* do so,

[DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Encryption on Amateur Frequencies

--- In dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Reynolds" wrote: > Another way to take care of the Encrypting issue is to announce the > Encryption Keys on the Frequency of your choice at the start of the > day (sorry if your radio was not on or on the right frequency when > the announcement was

[DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Encryption on Amateur Frequencies

I have 3 D-Star radio's and two P-25 ASIII's with DES-XL Encryption units in them. I also own a Keyloader for the ASIII's. There is one way to get around the Encryption Issue. You come up on the frequency you intend to use it on, in the clear, Announce the Daily Key, and say, "join us if you

[DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Encryption on Amateur Frequencies

--- In dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com, "jack" wrote: > > I chouse to not continue this on here. > > I have been a ham for 24 years and have seen people like you come and go and > lose there ticket because they thought they were smarter then the government > > Jack N6UYB > When I was a Private

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Encryption on Amateur Frequencies

At 06:55 AM 12/31/2008, you wrote: >I see the need for some encryption, but this scenario is not one that >needs it. Agree John. In this scenario, simply not transmitting the information is the best answer, as it is not needed during the initial emergency. The confidential information can be

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Encryption on Amateur Frequencies

ginal Message--- From: Joel Koltner Date: 1/1/2009 12:42:05 PM To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com Subject: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Encryption on Amateur Frequencies Hi Charles, I suspect you're correct that your request was probably kicked around a fair deal with no one really taking that mu

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Encryption on Amateur Frequencies

I've been using FCC TA'ed radios on both for years - usually made by Motorola. Unfortunately, none are D-STAR units. Joe M. Joel Koltner wrote: > 2) It would be > nice if the FCC authorized the type acceptance of radios that worked > both on amateur frequencies and public service agency frequenc

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Encryption on Amateur Frequencies

All: I'll start with Jack's response. Since there are already exceptions in Part 97 that do permit "obscuring the meaning" of a transmission, it's not quite accurate that Hams may not use any form of encryption. I've admittedly stretched the definition of "obscuring the meaning" in my request

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Encryption on Amateur Frequencies

to play it has been going on since the 70's and it has not changed a thing yet. Jack N6UYB ---Original Message--- From: Charles Scott Date: 1/1/2009 4:27:01 PM To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Encryption on Amateur Frequencies All:

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Encryption on Amateur Frequencies

At 02:55 PM 12/30/2008, k7ve wrote: >--- In dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com, "Frank P." wrote: > > > > > A group of ARES volunteers at a local shelter are in direct > > communication with the Red Cross HQ, or a hospital, or the local > > OEM. The shelter has several sick or injured individuals who

RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Encryption on Amateur Frequencies

KA0BBQ From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dstar_digi...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Charles Scott Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 1:43 PM To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Encryption on Amateur Frequencies Chuck - N8DNX [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Encryption on Amateur Frequencies

One thing is for certain... With all the proprietary technologies coming about (Open Sky, MotoTrbo, iDen, ProVoice, Etc.), it's only a matter of time until the FCC will have to deal with them on the ham bands. But, to have some sort of interface between the WWW and the radios? That will requir

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Encryption on Amateur Frequencies

Joel: In an odd way I think we pretty much agree. What I was trying to achieve was an accepted means to test and practice what we might be called upon to do in a real emergency. You're idea of going ahead with using PGP or some such encryption and transmitting the decryption keys in the clear

RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Encryption on Amateur Frequencies

A. Wilson Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 12:29 AM To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Encryption on Amateur Frequencies I think Chuck has made some rather relevant comments on topic without getting into all the emotional issues of what one thinks is or isn't in the R

RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Encryption on Amateur Frequencies

I feel this is much Adieu (sp) about nothing! If your data is converted into a digital stream the chances of every "Tom Dick and Harry" being able to copy the data is slim to none. I don't care how good our crypto system is if someone wants to get the data all they will have to do is listen to the

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Encryption on Amateur Frequencies

Here is an interesting read on the topic, for _interested parties_: http://www.hdscs.org/hipaa.html David B. Toth wrote: > > At 02:55 PM 12/30/2008, k7ve wrote: > >--- In dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com > , "Frank P." wrote: > > > > > > > > A group of ARES

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Encryption on Amateur Frequencies

All, I would like to point out the regulation surrounding the obscuration of amateur radio transmissions. Regarding encryption and amateur radio, here is the applicable regulation: 97.309 RTTY and data emission codes. (4) (c) and 97.307(f) of this part, a station may transmit a RTTY or data

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Encryption on Amateur Frequencies

Steve and all, Working as a nurse, I understand and follow HIPAA. I agree with Steve, we would need consent from the protected person (or their POA) to transmit information. I also agree that encryption over the ARS is illegal. It OBSCURES and HIDES the meaning of their messages on purpose so th

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Encryption on Amateur Frequencies

We can use any and all of standard encryption (WEP, WPA etc.) on our 2.4 GHz routers that we convert to ham use, because the purpose is not to obscure or hide the meaning of the transmission, but to prevent non-licensed users access to our Amateur networks with part 15 equipment. The requirement is

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Encryption on Amateur Frequencies

Wrong... Encryption, even if prevent access by non-licensed users, is verboten under Part 97.309(4)(c). ILLEGAL are: WEP, WPA, and WPA2 -- are encryption methods meant to obscure the meaning of transmissions. The descriptive phrase, "WEP uses the stream cipher

RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Encryption on Amateur Frequencies

Kip AE5IB wrote: > We can use any and all of standard encryption (WEP, WPA etc.) > on our 2.4 GHz routers that we convert to ham use, because the > purpose is not to obscure or hide the meaning of the transmission, > but to prevent non-licensed users access to our Amateur networks > with part

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Encryption on Amateur Frequencies

Hello Stephen, Despite your your publicized efforts to make known the encryption keys used, DES-XL encryption is just that -- encryption. Using encryption or cyphers is verboten under Part 97.309(4)(c). There's no way to "get around" the encryption issue -- either you're implementing encrypti

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Encryption on Amateur Frequencies

This discussion is getting way off topic for this list. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 19, 2009, at 6:32 PM, Steve Gehring wrote: > Hello Stephen, > > Despite your your publicized efforts to make known the encryption keys > used, DES-XL encryption is just that -- encryption. Using encryption > or

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Encryption on Amateur Frequencies

ring To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 7:32 PM Subject: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Encryption on Amateur Frequencies Hello Stephen, Despite your your publicized efforts to make known the encryption keys used, DES-XL encryption is just that -- encryp

RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Encryption on Amateur Frequencies

1st We need to get back on track D-Star I looked into getting a commercial License for a local hospital group to provide astro digital w/ encryption for inter hospital communications. In my research I kept hitting brick walls it seems there is no legal way to use encryption on any comm