All:
I'm new to ECOFEM, and in fact new to Internet, so this venture
into the electronic fray is with trepidation. I do have a lot of
experience with E-mail here at work (State of Florida Department of
Environmental Protection) and know this medium is no place f
Mary, Claudia, Jeff, Jackie, Kylie, Joy, Anne, Leanne:
Thank you all for the feedback on my "cyberthroats" question.
Maybe the Internet is a doorway to a new level of human
understanding. Using this brutally direct medium, without the
facial expressions and bo
This morning someone responded to the LBJ quote I used:
>The blatant, almost obscene hypocrisy of that particular statement
>by that particular individual verges on the overwhelming. I
>really wish you'd quoted somebody else. Like, maybe Adolf Hitler,
I missed the war by a hair - my lottery number was 116 when they
stopped the draft. You're right about McNamara. (Sometimes
predicting is easy - in the '60s anyone could have predicted that
in the '90s computers would be ubiquitous, rock 'n roll would still
Jaimie:
Have you read John Gray's works: "Men are from Mars, Women are
from Venus", or "Men, Women and Relationships"? I read the latter,
and it rang a lot of bells with descriptions of the strikingly
different ways men and women approach things. Men focus mor
Susan:
The nature vs. culture issue reminds me of an ecology theory that
distinguishes between "r type" organisms and "k type" organisms.
r type organisms, such as mold, settle in a new area and grow in an
uncontrolled fashion (picture cultures in a pet
Mary, Susan:
Quick response (I need to get out of here before the
computer shuts down).
"Survival of the planet" - There is entropy, which, as you say,
will eventually cause this planet to "die." The interesting thing
about life is that it defie
Mary et al:
Okay, I'm a sexist. ECOFEM's resident sexist, available for
recreational bashing.
Now that we have that established, let's get to the heart of the
matter. (By the way, what is the definition of "essentialism"?)
At this point, I'm total
Mary, Shawn:
I, too, want the same privileges as others. When you speak of
constraints, you're singing to the choir. Our elitist culture
holds many people down, of all colors, backgrounds, and gender.
For example, engineers get quicker promotions and higher pa
Bertina:
Then rename ECOFEM to ECOHUMAN.
I don't get it. Is feminism supposed to be a distinction without
a difference?
Al
Julie, Mary:
(Julie, I got two copies of your message. All you need to do is
post to ECOFEM, and all subscribers are copied.)
Yes, Camille Paglia is extreme. (See "Vamps and Tramps".) She's
bisexual and, in her own words, addicted to her own hormones. She
>Jackie said:
>
>Well, NOW he's (Al) trying to tell us what to Re-NAME the list!
>JEEZ! Al-baby, you must be having the male equivalent of a "bad
>PMS day!" Why don't you take off now & take in a "Happy Hour"
>somewhere. you might have been working too hard (?)
Jackie-darling:
Tak
Ronnie, Anne:
Your thoughts are state-of-the-art, I think. Let's dig in.
On value-hierarchy - I have to go with a paradox here. I think
value-hierarchy on issues such as life forms is inescapable. We
HAVE to make certain choices. But I do reject value-hierar
Ronnie:
Thanks for the thoughts. We seem to agree more than disagree.
Clearly meat eating is overemphasized in our culture. It's bad for
our bodies and takes an enormous toll on the environment. I've cut
back on meat as much as I can, but can't get it totally
Mary:
"Situational ethics" refers to changing your ethic based on the
situation. I didn't do that. I used the same ethic in both
examples: _what's best for humans_.
Now, if the ethic to be used is _give animals equal rights_, then
shooting a hungry all
T.H.:
What's best for humans? You're right - very difficult issue, one
that lawmakers and judges and churches... and all of us... grapple
with endlessly. I think a majority of people would agree that it's
not right to allow a selfish few to exterminate seals or
Ronnie:
Thanks for the response.
On responsibility - we should explore this at length, it's very
complex. What are the risks involved with environmental projects?
I find it interesting that the Feds require testing drinking water
for myriad chemicals W
Ronnie:
Guess I'm being paradoxical again. On one hand I'm advocating
going with the anthropocentric approach because humans are in
charge and we can't uninvent things. (Maybe some day we can?) On
the other hand I'm advocating replacing the patriarchal system
Sara, Mary:
I second Mary's question about violence by women. Has anyone
studied the violence level in _women's_ prisons?
(By the way, I'm 41, and my testosterone level seems as high as it
ever was. But I'm non-violent. Does this mean I'm really female?)
Mary:
Yes, contaminants can travel long distances in ground water.
Especially here in Florida, which has a Karst geology and sandy
soils. One of the sections in my Division runs Florida's drinking
water program under the Safe Drinking Water Act, and the staff
Ronnie:
I sent you a message over the weekend. Did I use the right
Internet address?
Al
Mary:
I didn't mean to sound condescending. If I did, I apologize.
About EPA - was that a joke, or do you really avoid EPA?
Pesticide use - good point - we never know fully who is using what,
although out pesticide staff tries to find out. And it's a losing
Mary:
Yes, what a concept indeed. The lack of communication between
government agencies (and internal portions thereof) is, IMO, almost
criminal. I hope the Internet can help. I'm reminded of a
response the CEO of a small company gave to Tom Peters when asked
Wendy, Phil, unnamed, Carol:
Thanks for the E-mail. Phil, I'm sorry about the broadside. I
have a bad habit of over-dramatizing my words, and constantly step
on people's toes. When that happens, just call me a jerk and know
that I wasn't trying to hurt any fe
Wendy:
Is New Zealand changing its _political boundaries_ to match
watershed boundaries? Or establishing zones along watershed
boundaries in addition to the political boundaries? If the former,
that would be really progressive! The latter (two overlapping sets
Mary:
Okay, now we're getting to the nub of it. I fully agree, women
have been treated like dirt for thousands of years, and have a
right to be mad as hell. And some of us males will actually help
you change things. (Other males are mad as hell about reverse
Carol:
You heard about that too? Luckily, Mary got a Bureau Chief job in
my Division, here in Tallahassee. The District's loss, our gain.
Al
Ronnie:
No offense taken. Growth management is a bear of an issue.
First, let me say that we cannot stop people from moving into the
State. Some have thought of building a wall at the border, but it
would be unconstitutional. (Didn't Oregon try this once?)
Shawn:
I asked you not to flame, but you did anyway. Do you get off on
it?
It is YOU that needs to look at the facts. There are documented
cases of reverse discrimination, and the Supreme Court agrees.
Discrimination is unfair, no matter what color or
Mary:
Yes, as a matter of fact. I'm willing to look at it line by line
if you want.
Let me ask you, do you think it's any less prejudiced to call
reverse discrimination a "myth" when it is not a myth? Go talk to
the folks who have lost work because of
>To Shawn Boeser and Ecofem subscribers:
>
> Thank you!
>
> Al, bless your heart for whatever you are willing to do to
>advance the cause of women in this day and age. I do however, understand
>Ms. Boeser's reservations. I am a black woman and all my life many white
>people who wo
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TO: Al Rushanan TAL (904)487-1855( RUSHANAN_A@A1@DER )
Subject: Re: jerks
This list is not set up for your personal problems/ego trips
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TO: Al Rushanan TAL (904)487-1855( RUSHANAN_A@A1@DER )
Subject: Re: dense
Your last -- and frequent -- and every post reflects a self-
centered
>> Monte':
>> Nice to meet you.
>>
>> Of course, an oppressed person should suspect the oppressor who
>> suddenly changes his tune. But how am I the oppressor? What have
>> I done to deserve blame?
>> Al
>>
Jackie:
I'm glad you picked up on that point. Nearly ALL of us in this
industrial based, hierarchal, patriarchal economy depend on a "hand
that feeds us." We're told to follow authority, to "go along to
get along," even when we're told to do something unethica
White flag, white flag. Truce.
It was never my intent to become the focal point of this list.
Plenty of blame to go around - ego on my part, defensiveness on the
part of several others. I just thought that with my knowledge of
environmental matters an
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TO: Al Rushanan TAL (904)487-1855( RUSHANAN_A@A1@DER )
Subject: Re: points
You ignore the most basic etiquette skills -- is this from
ignorance or arrogance? In your case, probably both.
This is not an "office" and no one needs -
Jackie:
Thank you kindly for your thoughts on pursuing diversity of
opinion. I've been hounded so much lately by censors both at work
and on this list, your comments almost bring a tear to my eye.
Thanks for the understanding.
Riane Eisler's passage o
Kylie, Leanne:
(I'm following the thread of your last posts. I hope it's
not "off-topic" for ECOFEM.)
Okay, now I know I'm patronizing too. Patronizing and sexist. But
here's a real situation: Like it or not, the powers that be made
me the Af
Steve:
The U.S. Senate is considering a House bill calling for risk
assessment and cost/benefit analysis for all new environmental
regulations. To flesh out the cost/benefit part, the U.S. EPA
recently concocted a scenario involving costs and benefits of
TO: Mark Latch, Assistant Director
Division of Water Facilities
FROM: Al Rushanan
DATE: July 3, 1995
SUBJECT: Affirmative Action Committee
Sara:
Thanks for the post. The next paragraph is sarcasm, so please
don't take it personal.
BEGIN SARCASM: Is "chivalry" a four letter word? On the opening doors
thing, I often open car doors for women, but wouldn't be caught
dead opening a car door for an un
On population:
It's not a matter of BIRTH CONTROL OR REDUCED CONSUMPTION. We need
BOTH. But even both won't be enough. Much of the world already
experiences starvation, and it's getting worse. Even if human
population growth leveled off RIGHT NOW, we'll STIL
Suzanne:
Yes, you're right, the distribution of wealth is a serious
problem, and it's gotten worse in America over the past 15 years.
But it's not confined to developed countries. Look at Rio as an
example of huge separation of rich and poor in a developing
Mary Hallock Morris:
Right on, Mary! I agree completely. Freedom of
educated choice is the way to go.
I've learned a lot reading Eisler. She describes how much of the
world is still stuck in the patriarchal mode of family planning
(oft
Mary Hallock Morris:
I understand. I used to live in Ohio. They tried
to talk me out of moving South because of the heat...
Al
Praise be to those who refuse to be coerced into having unwanted
children. When I was seventeen, I decided not to have kids so as
1) to not contribute to overpopulation; and 2) to not bring a new
person into a world arguably headed for disaster. My friends
This is truly an exciting time in the history of human relations.
Many authors, apparently "on the same wavelength," are writing
about dramatic changes in how we view things in our culture. I'm
particularly impressed in Riane Eisler's tying together of myriad
> Great. India did the same thing recently. But how long can
> developing countries avoid the temptation of "easy life" at the expense
> of the environment. Corporations and individuals intent upon making
> money in the name of development and progress may still preva
>Unfortunately, it isn't just an issue of profits, quality of life, and
>"fairness." It's also an issue of survival. Is it right that some people
>in this world have luxuries galore while others toil and suffer in the most
>deplorable conditions imaginable? Certainly not! But what makes anyone
Weeds provide valuable habitat, erosion control, etc. However,
some also cause hay fever, etc., and exotic weeds can disrupt an
ecosystem (e.g., melaleuca and brazillian pepper in South Florida).
I once did a paper on "noxious weeds" for an ecology class. One
From what I read, there are 'noxious weeds' and 'exotic plants'.
'Exotic plants' are those, like melaleuca, that are not indigenous
to the territory in question. Often, like melaleuca, they begin to
dominate the terrain and crowd out native species. (In the cas
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