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2013-09-02 Thread Wayne Tyson
Yes, but confining "applied" to a separate journal, complete with the damning appellation, does not foster cross-fertilization. WT - Original Message - From: To: ; "Wayne Tyson" Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 3:34 PM Subject: Re: -- SPAM --Re: [ECOLOG-L] Human

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Human-assembled ecosystem

2013-09-02 Thread Wayne Tyson
hines, product manufacturing, its delivery, storage, consumption, waste, waste, and waste. Kind inefficient, ay? WT - Original Message - From: To: ; "Wayne Tyson" Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Human-assembled ecosystem The cultivation

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Human-assembled ecosystem

2013-09-02 Thread Juan Alvez
countless species in the history of the earth, and she will shrug off Homo sapiens with no more concern than she did for any of the rest. Then things can get back to normal." --Louis B. Ziegler - Original Message - From: "Esat Atikkan" To: Sent: Monday, September

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Human-assembled ecosystem

2013-09-02 Thread Wayne Tyson
ens with no more concern than she did for any of the rest. Then things can get back to normal." --Louis B. Ziegler - Original Message ----- From: "Esat Atikkan" To: Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 8:09 AM Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Human-assembled ecosystem This has been an e

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2013-09-02 Thread Aaron T. Dossey
ouis B. Ziegler - Original Message - From: "Esat Atikkan" To: Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 8:09 AM Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Human-assembled ecosystem This has been an extremely interesting thread. Now if we could just This has been an extremely interesting thread. Now if w

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2013-09-02 Thread Wayne Tyson
: Sunday, September 01, 2013 9:26 AM Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Human-assembled ecosystem Dear WT, How about cultivation of fungi by termites and ants? Andres Vina

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2013-09-02 Thread Wayne Tyson
nish" To: Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2013 5:28 PM Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Human-assembled ecosystem Even highly diverse, apparently sustainable agricultural systems – like the forest gardens of lowland Samoa – wind up displacing/destroying much biodiversity when human population densi

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Human-assembled ecosystem

2013-09-02 Thread Wayne Tyson
From: "Esat Atikkan" To: Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 8:09 AM Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Human-assembled ecosystem This has been an extremely interesting thread. Now if we could just This has been an extremely interesting thread. Now if we could just admit that humans are part of

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Human-assembled ecosystem

2013-09-02 Thread Lawrence Baker
he process and looking at those actions as > hors-naturae > Esat Atikkan > > > From: Erin Cleere > To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU > Sent: Monday, September 2, 2013 9:27 AM > Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Human-assembled ecosystem > > > So you pick feral ca

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Human-assembled ecosystem

2013-09-02 Thread Wayne Tyson
u Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2013 4:49 PM Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Human-assembled ecosystem "I'd like to hear more about the "huge social component" with respect to "invasive" species, and would especially like to hear more about academics' discomfort

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Human-assembled ecosystem

2013-09-02 Thread Neahga Leonard
; hors-naturae > Esat Atikkan > > > From: Erin Cleere > To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU > Sent: Monday, September 2, 2013 9:27 AM > Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Human-assembled ecosystem > > > So you pick feral cats over, for example, cattle?

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2013-09-02 Thread Esat Atikkan
ugust group would be more interested in analyses that include humans in the process and looking at those actions as hors-naturae Esat Atikkan From: Erin Cleere To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU Sent: Monday, September 2, 2013 9:27 AM Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Human

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Human-assembled ecosystem

2013-09-02 Thread Erin Cleere
like, >>> until the end of my days. What I think of it now already seems like >>> "blithering stupidity" to me, but I'm interested in cogent arguments to >>> the >>> contrary. >>> >>> Ecological history has always fascinated me, a

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Human-assembled ecosystem

2013-09-02 Thread frah...@yahoo.com
essential definitions. Francesca From: Thomas J. Givnish To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU Sent: Monday, September 2, 2013 2:28 AM Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Human-assembled ecosystem Even highly diverse, apparently sustainable agricultural systems – like the fores

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Human-assembled ecosystem

2013-09-01 Thread David Duffy
it now already seems like >>> "blithering stupidity" to me, but I'm interested in cogent arguments to >>> the >>> contrary. >>> >>> Ecological history has always fascinated me, and I hope someone will >>> bring >>> it all int

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Human-assembled ecosystem

2013-09-01 Thread Thomas J. Givnish
t sustain you for too long. There is really > no time to argue on definitions. > > Francesca > > > > > ____ > From: Wayne Tyson > To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU > Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2013 4:52 PM > Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Human-

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Human-assembled ecosystem

2013-09-01 Thread frah...@yahoo.com
4:52 PM Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Human-assembled ecosystem Cultivation of plants and animals, by definition, replaces complex, self-sustaining ecosystems with monocultures or "polycultures." WT - Original Message - From: "frah...@yahoo.com" To: Sent: Sunday, Septemb

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2013-09-01 Thread Andres Vina
ubject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Human-assembled ecosystem Dear WT, How about cultivation of fungi by termites and ants? Andres Vina

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Human-assembled ecosystem

2013-09-01 Thread Wayne Tyson
quot; To: Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2013 9:26 AM Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Human-assembled ecosystem Dear WT, How about cultivation of fungi by termites and ants? Andres Vina Wayne Tyson wrote: A cornfield requires cultivation. An ecosystem requires no cultivation. WT - Origin

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Human-assembled ecosystem

2013-09-01 Thread Wayne Tyson
All: By "respectable," I meant "main-stream ecology." WT - Original Message - From: "Judith S. Weis" To: Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2013 7:26 AM Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Human-assembled ecosystem Respectable journals won't publish applie

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Human-assembled ecosystem

2013-09-01 Thread Safeeq, Mohammad
na > > > > Wayne Tyson wrote: > >> A cornfield requires cultivation. An ecosystem requires no cultivation. >> >> WT >> - Original Message - >> From: Ricardo Rivera >> To: Wayne Tyson >> Cc: ECOLOG-L@listserv.umd.edu >> Sent

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Human-assembled ecosystem

2013-09-01 Thread Andres Vina
OG-L@listserv.umd.edu > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 9:41 PM > Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Human-assembled ecosystem > > > Why is novel ecosystem nauseating? There seems to be a negative bias towards > this idea in this thread. As scientist that we are, this seems a bit out of >

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Human-assembled ecosystem

2013-09-01 Thread Wayne Tyson
A cornfield requires cultivation. An ecosystem requires no cultivation. WT - Original Message - From: Ricardo Rivera To: Wayne Tyson Cc: ECOLOG-L@listserv.umd.edu Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 9:41 PM Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Human-assembled ecosystem Why is novel

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Human-assembled ecosystem

2013-09-01 Thread Wayne Tyson
Cultivation of plants and animals, by definition, replaces complex, self-sustaining ecosystems with monocultures or "polycultures." WT - Original Message - From: "frah...@yahoo.com" To: Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2013 3:11 AM Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Human

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Human-assembled ecosystem

2013-09-01 Thread Judith S. Weis
bring > it all into focus soon! There was an interesting film treatment on (the > History Channel?) what would happen after humans died out fairly recently, > and while it was a good start, it seemed high on sensation and a bit > lacking > on references (well, what can we expect from s

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Human-assembled ecosystem

2013-09-01 Thread frah...@yahoo.com
Francesca From: Richard Boyce To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 5:01 PM Subject: [ECOLOG-L] Human-assembled ecosystem Here's a *very* interesting story on the human-assembled ecosystems of Ascension Island in the tropical South

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Human-assembled ecosystem

2013-09-01 Thread Ricardo Rivera
fairly recently, > and while it was a good start, it seemed high on sensation and a bit > lacking on references (well, what can we expect from show-biz?). Let's take > this a bit further into the nuts and bolts of evolution. > > WT > > > > - Original Message -

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Human-assembled ecosystem

2013-08-31 Thread Wayne Tyson
d high on sensation and a bit lacking on references (well, what can we expect from show-biz?). Let's take this a bit further into the nuts and bolts of evolution. WT - Original Message - From: "David Duffy" To: Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 1:18 PM Subject: Re: [ECOL

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Human-assembled ecosystem

2013-08-31 Thread David Duffy
Hi Ian, "While plant ecology abandoned Clements a generation or two ago, like a lot of things that hasn't always trickled down to more applied areas." Just out of curiosity, can you cite a few references where Clements in still used in invasion biology, specifically in "more applied areas"? I a

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Human-assembled ecosystem

2013-08-30 Thread Ian Ramjohn
While plant ecology abandoned Clements a generation or two ago, like a lot of things that hasn't always trickled down to more applied areas. For this stuff specifically, there's a whole literature on 'novel ecosystems' that has developed in the last several years...Richard Hobbs, Ariel Lugo, Ti

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Human-assembled ecosystem

2013-08-29 Thread Wayne Tyson
f the species and their origins, and what kind of evolution has taken place, if any? Genetics? - Original Message - From: "Richard Boyce" To: Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 8:01 AM Subject: [ECOLOG-L] Human-assembled ecosystem Here's a *very* interesting story on

[ECOLOG-L] ECOSYSTEM Function References Re: [ECOLOG-L] Human-assembled ecosystem

2013-08-29 Thread Wayne Tyson
nimum requirements and maximum tolerances of all species if we are ever to actually "assemble" and ecosystem that works--and, of course, know why it works. - Original Message - From: "Richard Boyce" To: Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 8:01 AM Subject: [ECOLOG-L]

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Human-assembled ecosystem

2013-08-29 Thread David Duffy
I'd suggest that before folks get too excited about challenges to "our ideas regarding community assembly", they reread Gleason (1926), Whittaker (1975) and Hubbell (2001), amongst others. Also isolated islands with depauperate faunas and floras may not be the best models for general ecological the

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Human-assembled ecosystem

2013-08-29 Thread Palmer, Mike
0:02 AM To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU Subject: [ECOLOG-L] Human-assembled ecosystem Here's a *very* interesting story on the human-assembled ecosystems of Ascension Island in the tropical South Atlantic: http://e360.yale.edu/feature/on_a_remote_island_lessons__in_how_ecosystems_function/2683/ I susp

[ECOLOG-L] Human-assembled ecosystem

2013-08-29 Thread Richard Boyce
Here's a *very* interesting story on the human-assembled ecosystems of Ascension Island in the tropical South Atlantic: http://e360.yale.edu/feature/on_a_remote_island_lessons__in_how_ecosystems_function/2683/ I suspect that further research here may challenge our ideas regarding community asse