of the work that they are doing, although there are some unfortunate
exceptions.
Bill Silvert
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From: Robert Fireovid [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Many years back David Ehrenfeld wrote a great book (The Arrogance of
Humanism) that amounted to a critique of some Enlightenment assumptions
that
he thought many scientists subscribed
this way I have yet to meet them.
Bill Silvert
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Many years back David Ehrenfeld wrote
can save our lifestyle, why bother to change it?
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Malcolm McCallum
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: [SSWG] Denial * 2: Climate Change and Economic Growth
Many years back David Ehrenfeld wrote a great book (The Arrogance of
Humanism) that amounted to a critique of some Enlightenment assumptions
that
he thought many scientists subscribed to with religious-like faith. Among
them were
areas. It is only a matter of desire (and little
time), before battery
technology advances to allow cars to travel cross
country without
Malcolm, you present an article of faith, not a
reasoned position. Nobody who studies Peak Oil is
unaware of what you say - how could they be? But you
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Brian makes a good point. However, there has been a lot of discussion about
using technologies (e.g., injection of CO2
In revolutionary times no one could imagine life without whale oil for
their lamps. By the 1800s no one could imagine heat without wood and coal
to heat their home, to run steam locomotives, and steam ships, and the
horse was a staple mode of travel. By the mid-1900s coal slowly left the
home
Make issues simple, not tedious. For example, we can all agree that
the planet can change its climate without humans. We should be able
to agree that, whether or not it is too late to have any effect at
all, most of the changes that we could make would be for the better
no matter how you
For those who asked me offline:
Peak Oil refers to the time when total petroleum
production cannot increase any more. A growing body
of evidence suggests that that time is about now. We
may be in a plateau period that will be followed by a
persistent decline in global oil production.
There
I think all these big issues come together as follows:
Environmental problems are caused by: 1) human
population growth, and 2) our growth-based economic
philosophy.
The problems caused by these factors are problems of
exploitation (resource extraction above the long-term
sustainable level), and
Make issues simple, not tedious. For example, we can all agree that
the planet can change its climate without humans. We should be able
to agree that, whether or not it is too late to have any effect at
all, most of the changes that we could make would be for the better
no matter how you
Through several links came upon these very interesting
series (many folks may know about, the applications
were new to me), from Discovery Mag, about how we can
now create, literally, additional oil resources from
just about any organic carbon source (read here as
turkey guts).
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much in common with those who deny that there is a conflict between
economic
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However, in no way does the Stern report
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Speaking of denial, why does Global Warming always
generate so much
There are all kinds of types of deniers.
There are those who don't believe cc exists, some believe it is not
human-caused, some believe the main cause is population growth, some that
it is too expensive, some that they don't have time to do something, some
are scared of loosing scientific
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Newsweek published a major article a month or two ago about the effort of
those with big
Speaking of denial, why does Global Warming always
generate so much response on this list, while Peak Oil
doesn't? To my mind, they are both profoundly
important, both are ecological in some way (PO may
be more so), and both are happening now.
Maybe ecologists just don't know about PO, or
Joseph and all other Honorable askers of simultaneously and
ironically leading and essential questions:
Among the many consequences of Peak Oil and the petering out of the
cheap stuff, only oil barons and sheiks and The Authorities will be
able to afford to poke holes in the ozone layer (has
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Speaking of denial, why does Global
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ience with great interest. Many of the climate change deniers have muc=
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