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From: rnmowb...@att.net
To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Population control
There is a third problem which is at least equal to consumption and
population as a cause of environmental
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Population control
It is always time to address the problem of overpopulation. It is probably
the greatest problem we face.
Of course there are those who disagree. I received an off-list reply
accusing me of racism because I bemoaned the world's increasing population
from the basic issue that consumption is the
critical issue.
Bill Silvert
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From: Warren W. Aney a...@coho.net
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Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 4:22 AM
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Population control
I know this has been discussed before
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Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 11:48 AM
To: Warren W. Aney; ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Population control
There is a third problem which is at least equal to consumption and
population as a cause of environmental degradation - inequitable access to
economic opportunity
There is a third problem which is at least equal to consumption and population
as a cause of environmental degradation - inequitable access to economic
opportunity. In most developing countries inequity is the major cause of
deforestation. The poor clear forests to carry on subsistence
rationally, and overpopulation is
definitely a huge issue.
Bill Silvert
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From: bangrand bangr...@isu.edu
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Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 6:38 PM
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Population control
I raised this issue about a year ago
I raised this issue about a year ago and was admonished that
overpopulation was a red herring. Is it finally time to address this
taboo?
randy
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On Sep 22, 2009, at 2:40 PM, Jonathan Nelson wrote:
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Bill
The larger point I am trying to explore is the idea that many of the most
important aspects of quality of life are features of material situations
rather than the materials themselves. For example, take food. Food is an
important aspect of quality of life. But it is not a yearly total that
matters
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Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Population control
The larger point I am trying to explore is the idea that many of the most
important aspects of quality of life are features of material situations
rather than the materials themselves
Recently there was a long discussion of whether ecologists are the problem,
and a few posters pointed out that the biggest problem is overpopulation.
There was not much discussion of this, as it is a hrad problem to solve, it
is easier to get rid of ecologists. However the following Economist
[mailto:ecolo...@listserv.umd.edu] On Behalf Of Bill Silvert
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 7:08 AM
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Subject: [ECOLOG-L] Population control
Recently there was a long discussion of whether ecologists are the
problem, and a few posters pointed out that the biggest problem
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From: Bill Silvert cien...@silvert.org
To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 9:08:08 AM
Subject: [ECOLOG-L] Population control
Recently there was a long discussion
] Population control
I thought this argument was done fore a long time ago, I mean, the
sociologists found that enpowering women was more profitable, that is,
women that find that can contribute to their well-being WILL use
concraception, otherwise it doesn`t matter if all the drug stores are full
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Bill Silvert wrote:
...even though one list member in an off-list message complained that since
educated people make more and thus have larger footprints, education is
bad.
The fallacies in that logic are terrifying. The author needs a decent course
in formal
will be frozen in applause mode. A lonely
planet, indeed.)
WT
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From: Bill Silvert cien...@silvert.org
To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 11:50 AM
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Population control
Empowering women is just one of many steps in the right
I'm very glad to see the commitment of the North Americans in assume the =
guilt for them. Maybe I should alleviate my consciousness, but I'm not. =
Unlike most of them, I do not consider the CO2 emissions the only one or =
the major problem driven climate change.
I'm still concerned with habitat
Cl is correct in this. We also must recognize that indeed the biggest
problems are NOT from Third World countries, contrary to popular belief
- it is OUR problem, not somebody else's. For example, as mentioned,
Brazil has 100 million FEWER people on the same amount of land as the
USA - gross
, unlike latin
america which has been *colonized* and settled only in the last 400 years (
from a land transformation point of view).
Twin problems face the earth --- the third world's high population and the
first
world's high level of consumption. None of these have easy fixes.
Population control
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Idiocracy, then, gets back to the 1920's and 1930's ideas of eugenics
and 'propagation of the fit' (lampooned by Dorothy Sayers in her book
Gaudy Night): educated
: Cara Lin Bridgman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Idiocracy, then, gets back to the 1920's and 1930's ideas of eugenics
and 'propagation of the fit' (lampooned by Dorothy Sayers in her book
Gaudy
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From: Cara Lin Bridgman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 2:29 PM
Subject: Re: population control
Idiocracy, then, gets back to the 1920's and
1930's ideas of eugenics
and 'propagation of the fit' (lampooned by
Dorothy
another one.
Best wishes
Osmar
Santos, Brazil
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From: Matheus Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 11:07 PM
Subject: Re: population control - about the shrimp farms
To increase complexity even more, I think it is worthy
Another N-S perspective. We should pay attention to numbers - for example,
excluding Alaska, the US and Brazil are about the same area. The USA has
100 MILLION people MORE than Brazil in that same area Density is much
greater in Europe, clearly India and China. Many Third World countries
As an ecologist, I am certainly sensitive to the environmental
consequences of unchecked population growth, and as a proud father of
three, I nonetheless respect (and during moments of weakness envy)
the decision of couples not to have children. I try to do what I can
for the environment by
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Brewer
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 8:54 AM
To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
Subject: [Possible SPAM] population control
Importance: Low
As an ecologist, I am certainly sensitive to the environmental
Thursday, November 29, 2007, 2:53:57 PM, Steve Brewer wrote:
SB I wonder how many ecologists in the U.S., however, have considered
SB that producing children is necessary to keep Social Security from
SB collapsing. ...
Steve,
I completely agree with you. However, although I certainly respect
Oh well. Here's that old north vs south debate again. Yes, things would be
extreme if all 500 million individuals had the resource usage of the first
world.
As regards the lady who decided to be childless, its her trip and no one has any
business passing judgements on that. But if she were indeed
have died off
because they thought population control would be a wise strategy for the
planet. So you end up with a wrestler for a president of the U.S., monster
truck rallies for courts, watering crops with Gatorade and what? No place
for trash so it spills into people's homes. The future
Matheus does raise a point that is rarely discussed even here and virtually
never by (American) politicos. The human footprint would still be
problematic with a smaller global population, but it would be made vastly
more bearable if we weren't multipying quite so fruitfully. I've seen
estimates
Raptor biologist Frances Hamerstrom was the only female graduate student of
the legendary ecologist/conservationist Aldo Leopold. Fran contributed a
paper to a symposium on raptor conservation techniques at Fort Collins,
Colorado, 22-24 March 1973, entitled Raptor Management.
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