aying,
"Nature bats last."
WT
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Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 11:48 AM
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There is a third problem which is at least equal to consumption and
population as a cause of environmental degradation - inequi
There is a third problem which is at least equal to consumption and population
as a cause of environmental degradation - inequitable access to economic
opportunity. In most developing countries inequity is the major cause of
deforestation. The poor clear forests to carry on subsistence agricul
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Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 11:48 AM
To: Warren W. Aney; ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Population control
There is a third problem which is at least equal to consumption and
population as a cause of environmental degradation - inequitable access to
economic opportunity
away from the basic issue that consumption is the
critical issue.
Bill Silvert
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From: "Warren W. Aney"
To:
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 4:22 AM
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Population control
I know this has been discussed before, but the point still n
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It is always time to address the problem of overpopulation. It is probably
the greatest problem we face.
Of course there are those who disagree. I received an off-list reply
accusing me of racism because I bemoaned the world's increas
About a year ago, pondering one of the figures from One Planet Many
People, I noticed that the entire population of humans in 1900 was about
1.6 billion. Right now, the entire population of the USA (.3 billion)
and China (1.3 billion) is 1.6 billion! Our global population is now
approaching 6
issue rationally, and overpopulation is
definitely a huge issue.
Bill Silvert
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From: "bangrand"
To:
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 6:38 PM
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Population control
I raised this issue about a year ago and was admonished that
overp
I raised this issue about a year ago and was admonished that
overpopulation was a red herring. Is it finally time to address this
taboo?
randy
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RK Bangert
On Sep 22, 2009, at 2:40 PM, Jonathan Nelson wrote:
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Bill Silv
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From: "Jonathan Nelson"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Population control
The larger point I am trying to explore is the idea that many of the most
important aspects of "quality of life" are features of material situations
ra
The larger point I am trying to explore is the idea that many of the most
important aspects of "quality of life" are features of material situations
rather than the materials themselves. For example, take food. Food is an
important aspect of quality of life. But it is not a yearly total that
matter
n he
lands, the skeletons in the stands will be frozen in applause mode. A lonely
planet, indeed.)
WT
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From: "Bill Silvert"
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Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 11:50 AM
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Empowering women is just one of many ste
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Bill Silvert wrote:
"...even though one list member in an off-list message complained that since
educated people make more and thus have larger footprints, education is
bad."
The fallacies in that logic are terrifying. The author needs a decent course
in formal log
large
families so that the children can work, so anything that alleviates
desperate poverty can be beneficial.
Bill Silvert
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I thought thi
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From: Bill Silvert
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Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 9:08:08 AM
Subject: [ECOLOG-L] Population control
Recently there was a long discuss
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[mailto:ecolo...@listserv.umd.edu] On Behalf Of Bill Silvert
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 7:08 AM
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Subject: [ECOLOG-L] Population control
Recently there was a long discussion of whether ecologists are the
problem, and a few posters pointed o
Recently there was a long discussion of whether ecologists are the problem,
and a few posters pointed out that the biggest problem is overpopulation.
There was not much discussion of this, as it is a hrad problem to solve, it
is easier to get rid of ecologists. However the following Economist ar
I'm very glad to see the commitment of the North Americans in assume the =
guilt for them. Maybe I should alleviate my consciousness, but I'm not. =
Unlike most of them, I do not consider the CO2 emissions the only one or =
the major problem driven climate change.
I'm still concerned with habitat
Cl is correct in this. We also must recognize that indeed the biggest
problems are NOT from Third World countries, contrary to popular belief
- it is OUR problem, not somebody else's. For example, as mentioned,
Brazil has 100 million FEWER people on the same amount of land as the
USA - gross figu
The thing that bothers me about most of these sorts of humans vs
environment discussions is how the focus tends to be on population--as
if we could just solve the problem of third world population growth,
then everything would be hunky-dory. It tends to turn our biggest
environmental problems
universal.
Bill Silvert
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From: "Amartya Saha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 5:59 PM
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> After people moved out of caves and trees, EVERY single house that man has
> built
> anywhere i
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> > From: "Cara Lin Bridgman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To:
> > Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 2:29 PM
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> >> Idiocracy, then, gets back to the 1920's and 1930's ideas of eugenics
olving a problem creating another one.
Best wishes
Osmar
Santos, Brazil
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From: "Matheus Carvalho" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 11:07 PM
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> To increase complexity e
should make all the questions. That
> `footprint quiz` could made first
> > world people feels guilt. But again your
> eco-attitudes will be useless and
> > short-reached if population in the tropics still
> rises at the rates they
> > are.
> > Osmar
> >
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reached if population in the tropics still rises at the rates they
> are.
> Osmar
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> > From: "Cara Lin Bridgman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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n the tropics still rises at the rates they
> are.
> Osmar
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> > To:
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> > Subject: Re: population con
> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 2:29 PM
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>> Idiocracy, then, gets back to the 1920's and 1930's ideas of eugenics
>> and 'propagation of the fit' (lampooned by Dorothy Sayers in her book
>> Gaudy Night): educated peop
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>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Brewer
>> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 8:54 AM
>> To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
>> Subject: [Possi
Another N-S perspective. We should pay attention to numbers - for example,
excluding Alaska, the US and Brazil are about the same area. The USA has
100 MILLION people MORE than Brazil in that same area Density is much
greater in Europe, clearly India and China. Many Third World countries
fi
Idiocracy, then, gets back to the 1920's and 1930's ideas of eugenics
and 'propagation of the fit' (lampooned by Dorothy Sayers in her book
Gaudy Night): educated people must reproduce to make sure we still have
smart people on the planet--as if all the poor people were stupid.
So far, I've rea
; Lakewood, NJ 08701
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&
e have reproduced. All the smarty-pants scientists have died off
because they thought population control would be a wise strategy for the
planet. So you end up with a wrestler for a president of the U.S., monster
truck rallies for courts, "watering" crops with Gatorade and what? No place
for tra
Oh well. Here's that old north vs south debate again. Yes, things would be
extreme if all 500 million individuals had the resource usage of the first
world.
As regards the lady who decided to be childless, its her trip and no one has any
business passing judgements on that. But if she were indeed
Thursday, November 29, 2007, 2:53:57 PM, Steve Brewer wrote:
SB> I wonder how many ecologists in the U.S., however, have considered
SB> that producing children is necessary to keep Social Security from
SB> collapsing. ...
Steve,
I completely agree with you. However, although I certainly respect
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As an ecologist, I am certainly sensitive to the environmental
As an ecologist, I am certainly sensitive to the environmental
consequences of unchecked population growth, and as a proud father of
three, I nonetheless respect (and during moments of weakness envy)
the decision of couples not to have children. I try to do what I can
for the environment by lim
Matheus does raise a point that is rarely discussed even here and virtually
never by (American) politicos. The human footprint would still be
problematic with a smaller global population, but it would be made vastly
more bearable if we weren't multipying quite so fruitfully. I've seen
estimates (po
Raptor biologist Frances Hamerstrom was the only female graduate student of
the legendary ecologist/conservationist Aldo Leopold. Fran contributed a
paper to a symposium on raptor conservation techniques at Fort Collins,
Colorado, 22-24 March 1973, entitled Raptor Management.
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