Re: Question on random number generator

2002-02-20 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
Herman Rubin wrote: ExpVar = -ln(UnifVar); It is not a good method in the tails, and is much too slow. If I recall correctly, transcendental operations on a Pentium require only a couple hundred clock cycles and can usually be optimized to take place during other

Re: Evaluation of skating

2002-02-20 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
Next question: How much does Rasch analysis depend upon the evaluators being ignorant that the method will be used? In other words, can (A) one Rasch-aware judge (B) a minority of Rasch-aware judges (C) a majority of Rasch-aware judges (but not the

Re: Newbie question

2002-02-18 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
AP wrote: Hi all: I would appreciate your help in solving this question. calculate the standard deviation of a sample where the mean and standard deviation from the process are provided? E.g. Process mean = 150; standard deviation = 20. What is the SD for a sample of 25? The answer

Re: Question on random number generator

2002-02-18 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
Linda wrote: I want to generate a series of random variables, X with exponential PDF with a given mean,MU value. However, I only want X to be in some specified lower and upper limit?? Say between 0 - 150 i.e. rejected anything outside this range Does anyone have any ideas how should I do

Re: Question on random number generator

2002-02-18 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
Alan Miller wrote (six times): Linda wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]... I want to generate a series of random variables, X with exponential PDF with a given mean,MU value. However, I only want X to be in some specified lower and upper limit?? Say between 0 - 150 i.e. rejected anything

Re: RE :list

2002-02-11 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
J. Random Loser in Dnepropetrowsk wrote: The Listsoft Co company offers save your money. We prepositionals the softwere. Ah. That really fills me with confidence. The are : 1. MS WINDOWS 2000 PROFESSIONAL + (SERVICE PACK 2)- 1CD -$15

Re: area under the curve

2002-01-30 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
Melady Preece wrote: A student wants to know how one can calculate the area under the curve for skewed distributions. Can someone give me an answer about when a distribution is too skewed to use the z table? You can only use the z table directly to find the area under a curve

Re: I Hack Into Your Paypal Account!

2002-01-22 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, My name Steven Lee. I am a programmer and the best. I can hack into any Paypal order form and get membership for free. Is a Paypal order form something like Opus Dei? If you no believe me see my site

Re: transformation of dependent variable in regression

2002-01-16 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
Case, Brad wrote: Hello. I am hoping that my question can be answered by a statistical expert out there!! (which I am not). I am carrying out a multiple linear regression with two independents. It seems that a square root transformation of the dependent variable effectively

Re: Is there a problem with this kind of comparison?

2002-01-04 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
Lucas Wells wrote: So, what I often see, then is: Orders (note: presented as Aug, Sep, Oct): Orders Issue: 1, 9000, 9500 Orders With Errors: 2000, 2500, 2250 % Orders With Errors: 20%, 27.78%, 23.68% Fields With Errors: Name Field: 750, 1000, 1100 Address Field: 750, 900,

Re: Looking for a proof

2002-01-02 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
Moataz wrote: Dear All, Can anyone tell me where to find source code or even the algorithm for simulating The normal distribution and the Exponential distribution ? Exponential distribution is easy: the negative logs of uniform random numbers are exponentially

Re: One-tailed, two-tailed

2002-01-02 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
[NOTE: this is CC'd to EDSTSAT-L] Stan Brown wrote: ... Now we come to the part I'm having conceptual trouble with: Have you proven that one gas gives better mileage than the other? If so, which one is better? Now obviously if the two are different then one is better, and if one is

Re: claculate L2 for Venus

2001-12-20 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
Brad Guth wrote: My URL has much to do with the discovery of GUTH Venus http://geocities.com/bradguth One of my questions has to deal with a manned mission, which may need to utilize the orbit station L2, as an orbit situated so as to sustain life onboard the spacecraft for several

Re: What is the difference between Statistics and Mathematical

2001-12-13 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
Art Kendall wrote: . Mathematical statisticians need more course work than general statisticians. Many agencies pay 15% more to a math statistician than a general statistician. So what you're saying is that it isn't a

Re: What is the difference between Statistics and Mathematical

2001-12-13 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
Jerry Dallal wrote: Robert J. MacG. Dawson wrote: Art Kendall wrote: . Mathematical statisticians need more course work than general statisticians. Many agencies pay 15% more to a math statistician than a general

Re: Sorry for question, but how is the english word for @

2001-12-11 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
Nathaniel wrote: Hi, Sorry for question, but how is the english word for @ Pleas forgive me. You're forgiven...grin The New Hacker's Dictionary gives: common: at sign; at; strudel rare (and often facetious): vortex, whorl, whirlpool , cyclone, snail, ape,

Re: Gen random numbers from distribution

2001-12-06 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
Jim Snow wrote: 1. George Marsaglia and Wal Wan Tsang published a paper dealing with your problem which gives an efficient procedure for all values of parameters. It is The Monty Python Method for Generating Gamma Variables in the Journal of Statistical Software

Re: Interpreting p-value = .99

2001-12-03 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
Stan Brown wrote: I see why the quality controller would want to do a two-tailed test: the product should not be outside manufacturing parameters in either direction. (Presumably the QC person would be testing the pills themselves, not patients taking the pills.)

Re: Normal distribution

2001-11-30 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
Ludovic Duponchel wrote: If x values have a normal distribution, is there a normal distribution for x^2 ? No. If the mean is 0, x^2 hasa chi-squared distribution with 1 DOF. As the ratio mean/SD - infinity, the distribution of x^2 is asymptotically normal. -Robert Dawson

Re: Interpreting p-value = .99

2001-11-30 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
Stan Brown wrote: On a quiz, I set the following problem to my statistics class: The manufacturer of a patent medicine claims that it is 90% effective(*) in relieving an allergy for a period of 8 hours. In a sample of 200 people who had the allergy, the medicine provided relief for 170

Re: t vs. z - recapitulation

2001-11-29 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
Gaj Vidmar wrote: sample size | distribution(s) | population var | appropriate test -- large (say, N30) | normal | known | z (obvious) No, here large is irrelevant. N=1

Re: N.Y. Times: Statistics, a Tool for Life, Is Getting Short Shrift

2001-11-29 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
Speaking of normal distributions and cancer clusters, does anybody (a) agree with me that the human race in general has a better feel for the normal distribution than the binomial distribution, and the Poisson is still worse - and (b) know of any experimental evidence for this? That is, my

Re: N.Y. Times: Statistics, a Tool for Life, Is Getting Short Shrift

2001-11-28 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
The NY Times wrote: It is no longer possible to serve competently on some juries without more data skills than most college graduates have. That's all right, there will always be one lawyer or the other who doesn't *want* anybody to serve competently, and the competent juror

Re: Need help with a probability problem

2001-11-21 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
On 20 Nov 2001, J. Peter Leeds wrote: The problem actually breaks down to a rather simple analogy: Imagine that a man has been sentenced by court to run a gauntlet composed of four club-wielding executioners. (ill-defined, and thus insoluble, problem omitted) and Donald

Re: diff in proportions

2001-11-16 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
Jerry Dallal wrote: But, if the null hypothesis is that the means are the same, why isn't(aren't) the sample variance(s) calculated about a pooled estimate of the common mean? I looked at this some years ago. The answer is straightforward: it would be logically valid to do so but you

Re: diff in proportions

2001-11-15 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
Dennis Roberts wrote: At 08:51 AM 11/15/01 -0600, jim clark wrote: The Ho in the case of means is NOT about the variances, so the analogy breaks down. That is, we are not hypothesizing Ho: sig1^2 = sig2^2, but rather Ho: mu1 = mu2. So there is no direct link between Ho and the SE,

Re: definition of metric as a noun

2001-11-12 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
No Spam Mapson wrote: The OED cites the following use of metric as a noun: 1921 Proc. R. Soc. A. XCIX. 104 In the non-Euclidean geometry of Riemann, the metric is defined by certain quantities ... A good example of bad usage: *what* metric, *what* quantities? The reader should not be

Re: Can I Use Wilcoxon Rank Sum Test for Correlated Clustered Data??

2001-11-02 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
Chia C Chong wrote: I am a beginner in the statistical analysis and hypothesis. I have 2 variables (A and B) from an experiment that was observed for a certain period time. I need to form a statistical model that will model these two variables. As an initial step, I plot the histograms of

Re: Help for DL students in doing assignments

2001-10-16 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
Nomen Nescio wrote: Mr. Dawson wrote: Well, they do say what goes around comes around; I'd love to see what mark the dishonest DL student gets having had his homework done for him by somebody who: (a) believes all primes to be odd; ... ### Let's assume

Re: Are parametric assumptions importat ?

2001-10-16 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
Glenn Barnett wrote: (1) normality is rarely important, provided the sample sizes are largish. The larger the less important. The a.r.e won't change with larger samples, so I disagree here. I don't follow. Asymptotic relative efficiency is a limit as sample sizes go

Re: Bimodal distribution

2001-10-15 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
Desmond Cheung wrote: Is there any mathematical analysis to find how much the two peaks stand out from the other data? Is there any formulas to find the variance/deviation/etc that's similar to the unimodal distribution case? In answer to the latter question - excatly the ones you

Re: Help for DL students in doing assignments

2001-10-15 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
Well, they do say what goes around comes around; I'd love to see what mark the dishonest DL student gets having had his homework done for him by somebody who: (a) believes all primes to be odd; (b) believes that A=B implies B=A; (c) has never heard of

Re: Are parametric assumptions importat ?

2001-10-12 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
Voltolini wrote: Hi, I am Biologist preparing a class on experiments in ecology including a short and simple text about how to use and to choose the most commom statistical tests (chi-square, t tests, ANOVA, correlation and regression). I am planning to include the idea that testing the

Re: ranging opines about the range

2001-10-09 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
One what? Any statistic that depends on the units used seems rather arbitrary to me. If I compute the range of weights of a group of people (in kilograms) I ought to get the same actual *weight* as an American using pounds or a Brit using stones. On a lighter note - sorry -

Re: ranging opines about the range

2001-10-05 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
jeff rasmussen wrote: Dear statistically-enamored, There was a question in my undergrad class concerning how to define the range, where a student pointed out that contrary to my edict, the range was the difference between the maximum minimum. I'd always believed that the

Re: Help

2001-10-04 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
david007 wrote: Let A denote the maximum run length, i.e. the largest number of consecutive heads we get among the n tosses. Find P(A=2) analytically (not by simulation) for the case n=5. Try rephrasing. A=2 means that (1) there are two heads in a row and

Re: Help for DL students in doing assignments

2001-10-02 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
Nimish Shah wrote: Dear DL Students, I have Ph.D. degree in mathematics, physics, electrical engineering, computer science. Can you please post details of your 3 PhDs! Four, surely? -R. Dawson =

Re: CIs

2001-09-27 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
Dennis Roberts wrote: it seems to me that the notion of a confidence interval is a general concept ... having to do with estimating some unknown quantity in which errors are known to occur or be present in that estimation process in general, the generic version of a CI is:

Re: definition of metric as a noun

2001-09-24 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
Emord Nila Palindrome wrote: It is certainly bad usage, for the following reason: the phrase, the metric, implies that there is *one* metric function on Riemannian geometry, which is false. This reason has nothing to do with distance measure in general, as commonly understood, or

Re: definition of metric as a noun

2001-09-24 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
Robert J. MacG. Dawson wrote: Actually, there *is* essentially one canonical metric function on Riemannian geometry. In either model of absolute geometry there is, up to a multiplicative constant, only one metric preserved by reflection. In hyperbolic geometry, moreover

Re: for students (biology et al.) that hate numbers

2001-09-21 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
Jerry Dallal wrote: You can have them count the colors of candies in bags of MMs. The MM web site has the expected proportions published so they can do a ChiSquare test against those proportions. Does anybody really care about the proportions of different colors in bags of MMs?

Re: Free program to generate random samples

2001-09-21 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
@Home wrote: Is there any downloadable freeware that can generate let's say 2000 random samples of size n=100 from a population of 100 numbers. and Randy Poe responded: Um. A sample of 100 from a population of 100 is going to give you the entire population. Depends whether

Re: how to compare generated values with the specifieddistributionbasis

2001-09-21 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
Rich Ulrich wrote: Robert waffles by saying 'most' purposes, so I have to find it easy to agree. When might you *not* treat a uniform, N=20 as normal? - perhaps when the R^2 is too high (above .90)? Anything involving extreme-value estimation, for a start.

Re: Free program to generate random samples

2001-09-21 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
@Home wrote: Is there any downloadable freeware that can generate let's say 2000 random samples of size n=100 from a population of 100 numbers. and Randy Poe responded: Um. A sample of 100 from a population of 100 is going to give you the entire population. I replied:

Re: how to compare generated values with the specifieddistributionbasis

2001-09-20 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
Jon Cryer wrote: Robert: even when N=20, a uniform distribution can be treated as normal for most purposes. I assume you meant to say that for N=20, the sample mean based on a random sample from a uniform distribution can be assumed to have a normal distribution for most purposes.

Re: how to compare generated values with the specified distributionbasis

2001-09-20 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
JHWB wrote: Hm, hope I didn't make that subject to complex, resulting in zero replies. But hopefully you can answer this: I have a N(20,5) distribution and based on that I generated 25 values using Minitab and the CalcRandom dataNormal function. The result yielded a mean of 19,083 and

Tera-fying names

2001-09-13 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
The implausibly named a†a†a†a†a†a†a†a†a† wrote: I would like to ask how to convert teragram to kilogram. Thanks for helping~ Try http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/jargon/jargon.html#quantifiers for a good rundown on this. Or multiply by 10^9. ( By the way, a†a† (may I call

Re: teragram

2001-09-13 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
Sorry, I misread the original and sent the teragram - gram conversion. D'oh! Teragram - kilogram is of course 10^9. -Robert Dawson = Instructions for joining and leaving this list and remarks about the

Re: how to compare these 2 functions(asymptotically)

2001-09-10 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
kmswys wrote: lg*(lg(n)) and lg(lg*n) lg* is iterated logarithm (base 2), defined as the smallest i such that ith iteration of logarithm is less or equal one. lg*(lg(n)) is just lg*(n) - 1, asymptotically ~ lg*(n) The second expression is thus asymptotically the log of

Re: Assistance

2001-09-07 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
Jay Larman wrote: This is a SCAM. Do not fall for it. On the contrary. If anybody reading this is (which I doubt) the sort of person who would get involved in laundering money stolen by a deceased politician in a poor country if the opportunity really arose, then I urge them:

Re: Simple Probability Proof Requested

2001-09-06 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
Sloppy Joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings - Suppose I have a method such as a fair 6-sided die. I roll the die 10 times and get the following trial history: 3-5-1-3-6-4-6-2-1-5 From what I can recall from probability, I cannot predict the next roll of the die based on the

Re: Definitions of Likert scale, Likert item, etc.

2001-09-06 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
Alan McLean wrote: The composite variable or measure (hopefully) has a reasonably numeric scale. I don't think (in light of the Central Limit Theorem) that the problem is whether the composite's reasonably numeric. It is. The problem, when the data's given the usual ANOVic treatment,

Re: Bimodal distributions

2001-08-31 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
Paul R. Swank wrote: ...In the bimodal case, some refer to the higher hump as the major mode and the other as the minor mode. Followed by Dorian, Ionian, Lydian, Hypodorian, Myxolydian... etc? g,d,r -Robert Dawson

Re: Bimodal distributions

2001-08-31 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
Dennis Roberts wrote: major mode and the other as the minor mode. this is an interesting point but, one we have to be careful about ... in the minitab pulse data set ... c6 is heights of 92 college students ... IIRC, the difference between male and female mean height is almost

Re: Boston Globe: MCAS results show weakness in teens' grasp of

2001-08-30 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
I wrote: Er, no. Q1 ~ mu - 2/3 sigma Q3 ~ mu + 2/3 sigma 1 IQR ~ 4/3 sigma 1.5 IQR ~ 2 sigma inner fence ~ mu +- 2 2/3 sigma which is about the 0.5 percentile. -right so far - and then burbled The inner fences are selected

Re: Boston Globe: MCAS results show weakness in teens' grasp of

2001-08-28 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
I wrote: An obvious approach that would seem to give the advantages hoped for from the focussed test without the disadvantages would be just to group questions in the original test in roughly increasing order of difficulty. which, I think, answers Dennis' question. I

Re: definition of metric as a noun

2001-08-27 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
As for the other examples, 'professional' as a noun was good enough for Dickens. Milton (1671) uses 'academic' as a noun. And Shakespeare, mechanical. -Robert Dawson = Instructions for joining and

OT: SCAM WARNING Re: urgent response needed

2001-08-27 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
Gordon D. Pusch wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chike Ubah) writes: ATTENTION: Dear Sir, This letter might surprise you because; we have not met neither in person nor by correspondence. But I believe it is one day that you get know somebody either in physical or through

Re: Boston Globe: MCAS results show weakness in teens' grasp of

2001-08-27 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
The focused test eliminates questions that would enable students to score A's, B's, and C's. All they get is another chance to score a D rather than an F. Implicit in the very concept of the focused test is the idea that a student who fails the standard MCAS test cannot be more than a D

Re: Venn diagram program?

2001-08-17 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
John Uebersax wrote: Can anyone suggest a standalone Windows (or DOS) that produces publication quality Venn diagrams? ... The diagram should show the area of each circle as proportional its N, and the overlap area as proprotional to the number of cases in both groups. Is this

Re: Presenting results of categorical data?

2001-08-16 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
Thom Baguley wrote: however, I think the defence of convenience samples can be stronger than this. Unless we have reason to believe that a sample is biased in such a way as to generate our pattern of results a convenience sample is just as

Re: Presenting results of categorical data?

2001-08-15 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
Silvert, Henry wrote: I would like to add that with this kind of data [three-level ordinal] we use the median instead of the average. Might I suggest that *neither* is appropriate for most purposes? In many ways, three-level ordinal data is like dichotomous data - though there are a

Re: Presenting results of categorical data?

2001-08-15 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
Jon Cryer wrote: I do not see how (probabilistic) inference is appropriate here at all. Oh, it never is (strictly), outside of a few industrial applications. Nobody ever took a random equal-probability sample from all turnips, all cancer patients, all batches of stainless steel, all

Re: likert scale items - why not PCA?

2001-07-26 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
Magenta wrote: Robert J. MacG. Dawson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Can you do factor ananlysis, then? Probably yes. ... Why a factor analysis and not a principal components analysis? Dunno. But the interest

Re: EdStat: Probabilistic inference in resampling?

2001-07-17 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
Herman Rubin wrote: I consider the Fisherian one to be the only relevant one. In fact, I do not think it goes far enough; at best, probability is a property of the real world like length and mass. On the contrary: length and mass are abstractions that approximately describe

Re: Bayesian analyses in education

2001-07-11 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
KKARMA wrote: As a teacher of research methodology in (music) education I am interested in the relation between traditional statistics and the bayesian approach. Bayesians claim that their approach is superior compared with the traditional, for instance because it does not assume normal

Re: C.I. for a percentage

2001-07-10 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
Chris wrote: I know how to construct a confidence interval for a percentage when there is a binomial (# of good units / # of total units) distribution. How is the C.I. constructed if I have data such as the % of a liquid evaporated for each of a number of batches and I want to know let's

Re: What does it mean?

2001-07-09 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
J. Williams wrote: On Mon, 09 Jul 2001 12:15:25 GMT, Jan Sjogren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi there! I wonder what these things means: SST SSM SSE SSR MSR MSE Thanks, Janne Are these statistical acronyms you want defined? SSt, for example, could be total

Re: individual item analysis

2001-06-18 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
Jay Warner wrote: If the distribution is monomodal, not bounded (one peak, tails on both sides), and within some rational range of a Normal, then a transformation can be performed to make it look 'Normal.' See the Johnson transformation in some commercial stat packages. The next

Re: combinatorics problem

2001-06-13 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
beads... of three colors: red, yellow, and green. seven-bead bracelets three beads of any one color; two of a second color; two of a third. And my count is: (1) 3 choices for tripled color. (2) EITHER the three beads are together, in which case the other 2 pairs go into four adjacent

Re: The False Placebo Effect

2001-05-29 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
Elliot Cramer wrote: I believe the point of the Danes was that a placebo should be used in research but that physicians should ?not? think that they can cure people with placebos; I agree. -Robert Dawson

Re: The False Placebo Effect

2001-05-25 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
jim clark wrote: Was there some reason that they did not include studies with only 2 groups: no treatment and placebo? Only those two groups are necessary to determine whether placebo differs from no treatment. Possibly because ethics committees would not OK an experiment that

Re: Combinometrics

2001-05-07 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
Puzzle from last week: That said, there IS at least one natural application of such a sampling technique [random selection from equiprobable multisets], used in a major industry, where it saves millions of dollars a year. Answer: The casino/gaming industry... The wheel of

Re: A question

2001-05-04 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
Alan McLean wrote: Hi to all. Can anyone tell me what is the distribution of the ratio of sample variances when the ratio of population vriances is not 1, but some specified other number? *If* the population distributions are normal (and this is not a robust assumption - in

Re: Q: Arithmetic, Harmonic, Geometric, etc., Means

2001-05-04 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
Stanley110 wrote: Ladies and Gentlemen, What is the physical significance or meaning regarding a manufacturing process whose output over an extended period of time has the same value for the arithmetic, geometric and harmonic mean of a property, its purity, for example? ... Or if any

Re:

2001-05-04 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
Carl Huberty wrote: Why do articles appear in print when study methods, analyses, results, and conclusions are somewhat faulty?... I can think of two reasons: 1) journal editors can not or do not send manuscripts to reviewers with statistical analysis expertise; and 2) manuscript

Re: Combinometrics

2001-05-03 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
David Heiser wrote: We seem to have a lot of recent questions involving combinations, and probabilities of combinations. I've never seen multiset enumeration in elementary stats texts, perhaps because it is not very useful as a sampling model. While a multiset can certainly be the

Re: probability and repeats

2001-05-02 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
Dale Glaser wrote: Hi there..I have scoured my admittedly limited collection of probability texts, and am stumped to find the answer to the following, so any help is most appreciateda colleague just approached me with the following problem at work: he wants to know the number of

Re: Artifacts in stats: (Was Student's t vs. z tests)

2001-04-25 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
Alan McLean wrote: The p value is a direct measure of 'strength of evidence'. and Lise DeShea responded: I disagree. The p-value may be small when a study has enormous power yet a small effect size. A p-value by itself doesn't say much. I don't think there's actually a

Re: Artifacts in stats: (Was Student's t vs. z tests)

2001-04-25 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
Paul W. Jeffries wrote: What are list members views on teaching students to use tables. In the computer age, tables are an anachronism. The vast majority of students will never use a t table. Were it only so...

Re: Artifacts in stats: (Was Student's t vs. z tests)

2001-04-25 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
dennis roberts wrote: as for the use of t tables ... or any other ... 1. one issue is can the student USE the table ... that is, you specify some from the table and you want to know if they can find it Yes. That is, in my experience, students, small dogs, and most white

Re: Student's t vs. z tests

2001-04-23 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
Jon Cryer wrote: These examples come the closest I have seen to having a known variance. However, often measuring instruments, such as micrometers, quote their accuracy as a percentage of the size of the measurement. Thus, if you don't know the mean you also don't know the variance.

Re: Student's t vs. z tests

2001-04-23 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
dennis roberts wrote: the fundamental issue here is ... is it reasonably to expect ... that when you are making some inference about a population mean ... that you will KNOW the variance in the population? No, Dennis, of course it isn't - at least in the social sciences and

Re: Student's t vs. z tests

2001-04-19 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
Paul Swank wrote: However, rather than do that why not right on to F? Why do t at all when you can do anything with F that t can do plus a whole lot more? Because the mean, normalized using the hypothesized mean and the observed standard deviation, has a t distribution and not an F

Re: rotations and PCA

2001-04-09 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
Eric Bohlman wrote: In science, it's not enough to say that you have data that's consistent with your hypothesis; you also need to show a) that you don't have data that's inconsistent with your hypothesis and b) that your data is *not* consistent with

Re: attachments

2001-04-03 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
dennis roberts wrote: the pragmatic of the situation is: DO NOT SEND ANY ATTACHMENTS TO ANY LIST More accurately - do not send any attachments to any list that does not have a specific policy or tradition permitting this. But, by the same token, a 10K attachment is no

Re: One tailed vs. Two tailed test

2001-03-13 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
dennis roberts wrote: we have to first separate out 2 things: 1. some test statistics are naturally (the way they work anyway) ONE sided with respect to retain/reject decisions example: chi square test for independence ... we reject ONLY when chi square is LARGER than some CV ... to

Re: Eight Features of an Ideal Intro Stat Course

2001-02-07 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
If the original cold fusion researchers had used proper statisti- cal methods for detecting relationships (i.e., statistical tests, a proper taking account of negative results, and experimental de- sign considerations), it seems likely that the repeated high or borderline p-values would

Re: Excel Graphics

2001-02-07 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
David Duffy wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But Excel CAN produce simple scatter plots or bar charts. It is just that the defaults are so horrible. With a lot of tweaking you can make them My problem is cost. I want to get everyone in my department to have the facility to produce

Re: 95% confidence interval

2001-02-01 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
Radford Neal wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], James Ankeny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... if the distribution is heavily skewed to the right, say like income, why do we want an interval for the population mean, when we are taught that the median is a better measure of central

Re: The meaning of the p value

2001-02-01 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
Will Hopkins wrote: I accept that there are unusual cases where the null hypothesis has a finite probability of being be true, but I still can't see the point in hypothesizing a null, not in biomedical disciplines, anyway. If only we could replace the p value with a probability that the

Re: The meaning of the p value

2001-01-31 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
Bruce Weaver wrote: Suppose you were conducting a test with someone who claimed to have ESP, such that they were able to predict accurately which card would be turned up next from a well-shuffled deck of cards. The null hypothesis, I think, would be that the person does not have ESP. Is

Re: 95% confidence interval

2001-01-31 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
James Ankeny wrote: Hello, I am currently taking a first course in statistics, and I was hoping that perhaps someone might be kind enough to answer a question for me. I understand that, while a quantitative variable may not be normally distributed, we may calculate the mean of the

Re: Excel Graphics

2001-01-30 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
Shareef Siddeek wrote: Then, what is the use of EXCEL? EXCELlent question... Joking apart, it can be a useful tool for preparing a downloaded dataset for loading into a statistics program. -Robert Dawson =

Re: A much more basic MCAS fallacy?

2001-01-23 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
Gene Gallagher wrote: The scale is set from 200 to 280, but the maximum score that I've seen so far is 257 (Boston Latin Math). The DOE only provides these data as pdf's so it is difficult to find the max. OK, so I didn't dream it. That leaves the question:

Re: Excel Histograms

2001-01-23 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
A histogram of a continuous variable is *not* primarily a graph of counts within a range, but of densities; that is, an approximation to a density function. Therefore, it is admissible to join or subdivide bars provided that the area of the bar, not the height, represents the joint

Re: MA MCAS statistical fallacy, rather OT

2001-01-23 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
"P.G.Hamer" wrote: dennis roberts wrote: there just is no good way to argue against the original choice C ... IN THE CONTEXT OF THE STEM OF THE QUESTION I am reminded of the joke article that contains many `politically incorrect' answers to the exam question "given a barometer how

Re: I dont know what the question is asking me? Please HELP!

2001-01-23 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
Here is the question: Car A: 27.930.430.631.431.7 (a) If the manufactureres of car A want to advertise that their car performed best in this test, which of the "average" discussed so far in this chapter could they use to substantiate this claim? Surely the

Re: A much more basic MCAS fallacy?

2001-01-22 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
"Daniel P. B. Smith" wrote: Can anybody possibly believe that a difference of one point in 245.3 can possibly be significant? We're talking about schools with a less than a maybe sixty fourth-graders in them. This just runs against common sense... Didn't somebody say a week or

Re: Effect statistics for non-normality

2001-01-17 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
At 10:41 AM -0400 16/1/01, Robert J. MacG. Dawson wrote: There are those who would omit the word "small" from this; myself, I am prepared to use a large data set as evidence of its own approximate normality, largely because when the data set is large, "approximate

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