Re: [Elecraft] An AGC story

2010-12-09 Thread Ian White GM3SEK
David Gilbert wrote: > >OK, but that still doesn't address decay or slope ... parameters I >might want to quickly change dependent upon the amount and type of band >noise (such as when changing to the low bands or when thunderstorms are >active) or the number (not only the level) of signals (pil

Re: [Elecraft] Apple MacBook Pro Audio for PSK-31 with K2?

2010-12-09 Thread Stephen Prior
Alan I know it further complicates things, but what about a iMic USB outboard soundcard? 73 Stephen G4SJP On 10/12/2010 02:27, "Alan D. Wilcox" wrote: > Hello, > > The MacBook Pro has a single 1/8" audio connection for both mic in and > external-speaker output. Unfortunately, that disables

Re: [Elecraft] Parting shot

2010-12-09 Thread Ed Muns
The difference of opinion in this thread is mostly about different perceptions of "the K3 manual". Is it a compact, easy to access, reference? Or, is it a training course? Or, something in between or both? People are different and have different needs in a "manual". While some people may be loo

Re: [Elecraft] Parting shot

2010-12-09 Thread David Gilbert
Sorry, Joe, but that "entitlement" comment is just garbage. This thread originated with a comment from somebody that the K3 manual does such a poor job of being a manual (even Wayne refers to it as a "reference", not a manual) that it most likely costs Elecraft sales ... and that by definitio

Re: [Elecraft] Parting shot

2010-12-09 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
I'm not arguing this on behalf of the gimme, gimme negative post crowd. There will always be some of those around. But as I stated earlier, this thread has not been dominated by those voices. When I was testing new GUI's and task setups we always brought in a random sample of future users to be,

Re: [Elecraft] An AGC story

2010-12-09 Thread David Gilbert
Nice program, but it doesn't run with LP-Bridge if I want to have more than one application (N1MM, CW Skimmer, K3_EZ, etc) interfacing with my K3. It is fine for simplifying the changing of AGC settings, but not on the fly during a contest. Dave AB7E On 12/9/2010 8:18 PM, Sam Morgan wro

Re: [Elecraft] Apple MacBook Pro Audio for PSK-31 with K2?

2010-12-09 Thread Rick Prather
Alan, What flavor of MBP do you have that has only a single audio connection? Rick K6LE On 12/9/2010, at 6:27 , Alan D. Wilcox wrote: > Hello, > > The MacBook Pro has a single 1/8" audio connection for both mic in and > external-speaker output. Unfortunately, that disables the internal speak

Re: [Elecraft] An AGC story

2010-12-09 Thread Sam Morgan
check out K3_EZ http://home.roadrunner.com/~n2bc/SW.htm then connect and check out the AGC Setup page GB & 73 K5OAI Sam Morgan On 12/9/2010 8:49 PM, David Gilbert wrote: > > OK, but that still doesn't address decay or slope ... parameters I might > want to quickly change dependent upon the amount

Re: [Elecraft] An AGC story

2010-12-09 Thread David Gilbert
OK, but that still doesn't address decay or slope ... parameters I might want to quickly change dependent upon the amount and type of band noise (such as when changing to the low bands or when thunderstorms are active) or the number (not only the level) of signals (pileup or QRM). I still say

[Elecraft] Digital voice recorderfor

2010-12-09 Thread Johnny Siu
Hello Gentleman, If possible, it is always convenient to have the ability to record longer message say 20-30 secconds in one of the M1 - M4.  Perhaps, Elecraft may wish to search for newer components to upgrade the existing KDVR3. Icom and Yaesu radio or even the MFJ Voice Keyer can record a mu

[Elecraft] L-C Meter IIB

2010-12-09 Thread Tony Estep
I just finished building an L-C meter, offered by Almost All Digital Electronics (aade.com). I've been playing with it all evening, and it's a very cool piece of gear that could be a good thing to have if you're building an Elecraft transceiver or ATU, or really any piece of ham gear. Its measureme

[Elecraft] Apple MacBook Pro Audio for PSK-31 with K2?

2010-12-09 Thread Alan D. Wilcox
Hello, The MacBook Pro has a single 1/8" audio connection for both mic in and external-speaker output. Unfortunately, that disables the internal speakers, preventing their use for monitoring. Also, the single "special" plug needs a homebrew Y-cable to get the input and output on separate conn

Re: [Elecraft] [K3] What Better Advertisement?

2010-12-09 Thread Rob May
A K3 + P3.  Nice card, got mine a couple of days ago. Rob NV5E > Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 20:58:30 -0500 > From: wa...@arrl.net > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] What Better Advertisement? > > Hi all, > > Just received my 5V7TT QSL ca

[Elecraft] [K3] What Better Advertisement?

2010-12-09 Thread Bert Craig
Hi all, Just received my 5V7TT QSL card in the mail. It's one of those nice folded ones. A pic of what rig adorns the rear cover? A K3, of course! You just can't buy advertising like this... It simply must be earned. As always, take care es... Vy 73 de Bert WA2SI

Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Re: Digital voice recorderfor

2010-12-09 Thread Andrew Faber
Fred, In CQPWIN, I did work out a way to measure the precise length of each message so you can have accurate repeat intervals for each message, even if they are of differing lengths. If any logging software types are curious, I'll be happy to share the approach taken. 73,andy, ae6y - Or

Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Re: Digital voice recorderfor

2010-12-09 Thread Fred Jensen
Yep. I did it in ARRL SS Phone with N1MM. You just have to set a repeat interval long enough for the CQ plus your desired listening time. N1MM doesn't know anything about the DVK, it just sends the Mx tap emulation command, so it has no idea when your CQ is finished. I think this is true f

Re: [Elecraft] An AGC story

2010-12-09 Thread Sverre Holm (LA3ZA)
This is exactly what I found useful during the CQ WW CW contest. I did some 500+ QSOs and found that it is easier to listen to the K3 with the Attenuator on in the 20 m band. In this band this is something I rarely do with the K2. This discussion on AGC threshold has perhaps told me the reason why

Re: [Elecraft] AGC threshold

2010-12-09 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
I have suggested an AGC setting where the response is linear until a maximum audio level is reached, where the AGC cuts in flat with with a slow decay that converts to fast decay over one second. To set up for this, turn your audio to your "normal" audio. Then tune in a very strong carrier. Adju

[Elecraft] K3 for sale

2010-12-09 Thread George Luhr
FOR SALE ElecCraft K3-/10 Transeiver - Serial #2552 With KBPF 3 General coverage MH2R Mike KUSB adapter Power cord Manual Sent to APTOS for upgrade and checkout in February 2009. Has never been on the air. Mint condition. Just too much radio for an old fogey like me (George Luhr W9ZZA

[Elecraft] [K3] Ameritron RCS-12

2010-12-09 Thread Mike
Is anyone using an Ameritron RCS-12 antenna switch controller? If so, would you share the details? FWIW, my switch is a WX0B RatPack. 73, Mike NF4L __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: ht

Re: [Elecraft] An AGC story

2010-12-09 Thread Don Wilhelm
Dave, You can *effectively* increase the AGC threshold by 10 dB very quickly - just turn on the attenuator. Actually, that is more effective than reducing the RF Gain because it happens at the receiver input rather than at the IF. Yes, you can turn the attenuator of the K3 on whether or not th

Re: [Elecraft] An AGC story

2010-12-09 Thread David Gilbert
That is why it would be highly desirable to be able to quickly change AGC settings on the fly, especially when you consider the additional effect that different band noise has on the optimum AGC profile. I can understand Elecraft's reluctance to let users mess with the DSP code via macros, b

[Elecraft] [OT] Long Delayed Echoes

2010-12-09 Thread Edward Dickinson, III
I'm aware of the phenomenon of Long Delayed Echoes in amateur radio. What I wasn't aware of was that they could extend to mail reflectors. 73, Dick - KA5KKT __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraf

Re: [Elecraft] An AGC story

2010-12-09 Thread Andrew Faber
I have no doubt that AGC adjustments are largely a matter of personal preference, and I congratulate Elecraft on making the K3 as adjustable as it is without overwhelming us with so many variations that we'd go crazy trying to figure it out. As an example of individual adjustments, I used the K

Re: [Elecraft] Service Manual and old time experience

2010-12-09 Thread Kok Chen
On Dec 9, 2010, at 12/910:04 AM, Edward R. Cole wrote: > But reading, over and over and building kits got me more "knowledge" > about "real" electronics than 80% of my fellow EE majors had. > There were a few with military training that had "hands-on". My > knowledge came with the ye

Re: [Elecraft] Parting shot

2010-12-09 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
There is an important philosophical point here. While it IS true that I have 52 years of slogging and suffering through electronic misconceptions and outright falsehoods enroute to what pitifully little I know, and can definitely say that I came by a lot (most?) of what I know the hard way, we hav

Re: [Elecraft] Using the P3 with the SteppIR in tracking mode

2010-12-09 Thread Mike
They do make a 'Y' cable, and I have one. It connects to the computer's RS232 output, and the K3's RS232 input. There is a 2 conductor offshoot that carries the TXD and ground to the SteppIR controller. If the P3 needed more than that, then I don't think it would work. Or maybe route it from

Re: [Elecraft] An AGC story

2010-12-09 Thread Kok Chen
On Dec 9, 2010, at 12/99:17 AM, k...@aol.com wrote: > But, since AGC works on every signal in the passband, if there are > two signals - one S9 and the other S3 appearing at the same time, > the S3 signal will disappear because the AGC is knocking down the > S9 signal to an S3 level a

Re: [Elecraft] Using the P3 with the SteppIR in tracking mode

2010-12-09 Thread Elliott Lawrence
Doesn't the RS-232 bus daisy chain through the P3? K3 to P3 XCVR in, P3 out to PC or the Steppir controller or what ever 73 Elliott WA6TLA - Original Message - From: "Dick Dievendorff" To: ; Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 10:29 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Using the P3 with the S

Re: [Elecraft] Using the P3 with the SteppIR in tracking mode

2010-12-09 Thread N7US
I don't have a P3 but I use the SteppIR Y-cable to connect my K3, SteppIR controller, and computer. The computer is running DXLab's Commander rig control program that polls the radio, and the SteppIR "eavesdrops" to get the frequency. It works fine. Jim N7US -Original Message- SteppI

Re: [Elecraft] Using the P3 with the SteppIR in tracking mode

2010-12-09 Thread Dick Dievendorff
SteppIR makes (and describes for home brew) a splitter cable designed just for this, don't they? http://www.steppir.com/files/Y%20-%20Cable.pdf I don't own a SteppIR antenna, so I don't have any personal experience with this... Dick, K6KR -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailm

Re: [Elecraft] Using the P3 with the SteppIR in tracking mode

2010-12-09 Thread Mike
I don't have a P#, so this is pure conjecture. How about a cable from the SteppIR controller DATA OUT to the P3? 73, Mike NF4L On 12/9/2010 10:08 AM, Richard Squire - HB9ANM wrote: > > I'm currently using the serial port on the K3 for the SteppIR Yagi to track > the VFO. Works fine. Is anyone u

[Elecraft] Service Manual and old time experience

2010-12-09 Thread Edward R. Cole
I would like a K3 service manual (as a 30-year veteran repair-tech). I bought the service manual for my old diesel scout and my Toyota Tundra; for the FT-847 and several test equipment. It gets expensive to ship it to "the factory" from Alaska. I started out ham radio as a teenager, pretty mu

[Elecraft] Is this the kind of documentation you would like to see

2010-12-09 Thread able2fly
Sure Fred, bring it on! I'd be first in line to pick up a copy 73 Bill K3UJ -Original Message- From: Cady, Fred To: elecraft Sent: Wed, Dec 8, 2010 8:16 pm Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Is this the kind of documentation you would like to see Shortly after I got my K3 I started o

Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Re: Digital voice recorderfor

2010-12-09 Thread David Ferrington, M0XDF
I'm using contest software that does not interface to any rigs (long story). So I want to use the DVR to call, while I S&P. -- Don't say you don't have enough time. You have exactly the same number of hours per day that were given to Helen Keller, Pasteur, Michaelangelo, Mother Teresa, Leonardo d

Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Re: Digital voice recorderfor

2010-12-09 Thread K5WA
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Re: [Elecraft] An AGC story

2010-12-09 Thread K4IA
As I understand the graphs and operation: AGC Threshold is the point at which AGC action starts. The higher the AGC THR number, the higher point at which AGC starts. The highest AGC THR (8) starts AGC action at S3. That is a pretty low level but any setting less than THR 8 starts the AG

Re: [Elecraft] Parting shot

2010-12-09 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
I'm right there with you. I find the schematics to be of more use for the fine elements of the HARDWARE aspects of the K3. But the real meat of the K3 is in the firmware, which is not going to be published in any way to allow, for example, to tweak the APF code to suit ourselves. So for those of

Re: [Elecraft] An AGC story

2010-12-09 Thread Cady, Fred
Thanks Barry for the suggestion to run some curves while changing the RF gain position. I've done that and I'm not sure I understand what is going on yet. Need to think about it a bit. I'll post the curves up on ke7x.com in a while. Fred Fred Cady fcady at ieee dot org > -Original Message-

Re: [Elecraft] Parting shot

2010-12-09 Thread Mel Farrer
FWIW, the user manual is fine. What you are describing, is a service manual. Mel, From: eric manning To: Jim Garland <4cx2...@muohio.edu> Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net; "Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft" Sent: Thu, December 9, 2010 7:42:08 AM Subject: [Elecraf

[Elecraft] P3 VFO markers

2010-12-09 Thread K4DJJ
I have noticed that the U shaped VFO marker will shift left or right (sometimes) without having moved the K3's VFO when the K3 comes out of transmit and the P3's screen becomes active. Press and hold the SHIFT-LO (NORM) knob on the K3 puts it back into proper position. I would have noticed this so

[Elecraft] Parting shot

2010-12-09 Thread eric manning
Precisely!!! I'm trying to diagnose a K2 fault at the moment. I'm largely acting as a robot directed by Don Wilhelm, thank goodness for Don& Gary. I would be even more at sea, out to lunch, if I were trying to cope with a fault in the far more complex K3. I've read the K3 manual carefully

Re: [Elecraft] [Elecraft_K3] Re: Digital voice recorderfor the first time in

2010-12-09 Thread David Ferrington, M0XDF
That's a shame, since that is exactly how I want to use it, once I've installed it and built the XV144. Elecraft - can you make a mod that in some way displays VFOB freq while DVR is playing - perhaps by a config param or if one changes VFOB freq while it's playing, it shows the freq. instead? 7

Re: [Elecraft] An AGC story

2010-12-09 Thread Barry N1EU
Thanks Don. I just realized that I can do some quick experiments to get my answer using an XG2's s3/s9 capability and noting audio level increase with AGC Off and then with AGC On and reducing RF Gain until same audio increase is accomplished. An aside to KE7X and W4TV: I too wish we could try e

[Elecraft] Using the P3 with the SteppIR in tracking mode

2010-12-09 Thread Richard Squire - HB9ANM
I'm currently using the serial port on the K3 for the SteppIR Yagi to track the VFO. Works fine. Is anyone using the P3 together with the SteppIR in tracking mode? Maybe using a Y-cable? Thanks for any hint 73 - Richard - HB9ANM -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.

Re: [Elecraft] AGC threshold

2010-12-09 Thread Dave Hachadorian
Need threshold higher than 8, and Slope with a number less than zero, which translates to a steeper curve. With such settings, AGC would be used for hardware protection and hearing protection only. The linear part of the curve would be maximized. Dave Hachadorian, K6LL Yuma, AZ -Origi

Re: [Elecraft] An AGC story

2010-12-09 Thread Don Wilhelm
Barry, Without doing any measurements it may be difficult to say precisely, and I would think there would be a bit of difference from one K3 to another. However, there is a quick and easy way to accomplish that - note that the S-meter increases as the RF gain is reduced. So if you want to i

Re: [Elecraft] An AGC story

2010-12-09 Thread Barry N1EU
Cady, Fred wrote: > > I made some measurements and have posted the results for your perusal > and information at www.ke7x.com. > Very interested findings - Fred has a graph of AGC action with AGC THR=8 labeled figure 3 on http://www.ke7x.com/home/the-k3-agc-story : So I ask this group: is it

[Elecraft] AGC threshold

2010-12-09 Thread Pete Smith
Are there engineering reasons why the AGC threshold level can be set no higher than 8? KE7X suggests that this value, if increased, would lead to better performance in receiving pileups, without having to turn off the AGC altogether. -- 73, Pete N4ZR The World Contest Station Database, updat

Re: [Elecraft] new firmware release

2010-12-09 Thread wf4o
After shutting everything down and letting it set over night, I downloaded v 4.22 from my macbook pro to the k3 without incident and the radio works perfectly. This same thing happened when I tried to install the beta version. Only after shutting down overnight was I able to reinstall v 4.14. My f

[Elecraft] K3 exposition

2010-12-09 Thread David Windisch
Dyi: Download the web manual. Figure out how to search it. GOTO " Menu Functions " Exercise the functions, AFX . . . . XVxADR Make notes with one of those pdf creator freebies. When you botch it up, attempt recovery without asking how here. There's always the Vulcan nerve pinch. Ymmv Brg

[Elecraft] Test message (2) de AE6RR

2010-12-09 Thread Craig Bradley
Please excuse the test message, I just signed up for the reflector. Craig, AE6RR __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net