Most operating systems have NTP clients built in.
Sure, there are a million clients out there (I use Tardis), and there
are probably more that work under BSD-like UNIX (MacOS).
The one built in to the OS is probably just fine.
73 -- Lynn
On 10/19/2019 8:50 PM, Randy Heise wrote:
As a new FT
Apologies to Eric who closed this thread, but getting Macs to
work is on topic and generally not covered much on this list.
Please tell me if I am off base and I'll try to clean up my act.
The built in Mac time synch works very well. Since I sometimes
operate where there is no Internet access,
Since I run mostly digital eme (JT65) my computer time accuracy needs
are pretty strick (<1 second). For years I used dimension 4 and
switched to BktTimeSync (from IZ2BKT) last four years to utilize GPS
time using a cheap USB dongle GPS unit.
BktTime can sync to NTP off the Internet or from a
Wow, it mist be a poor propagation day..
Thread closed. Its volume is way out of control.
Folks, please self moderate on your posts when there have been a lot of
postings on a topic. Its not necessary to beat topics to death as this one has
been.
73,
Eric
Moderator etc.
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I was talking about logged QSO times. Pretty sure you know what's what
I meant, so I'm pretty sure you're just trying to be cute.
Dave AB7E
On 10/19/2019 7:29 PM, j...@kk9a.com wrote:
I cannot imagine starting a contest two minutes before everyone else
or ending it two minutes later.
J
Does the Mac need one? How gar off is your clock?
73,
Bill WE5P
>
> On Oct 19, 2019 at 23:50, Randy Heisewrote:
>
>
> As a new FT-8 user on my K2, I find this thread fascinating. But all these
> software solutions appear to be for PC’s. Is the
Macs have NTP time synchronization built in. They’ve had that since the early
days of MacOS X, so more than fifteen years.
Under the “Date & Time” panel in System Preferences, the “Set date and time
automatically” checkbox enables NTP synchronization.
wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
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http:/
As a new FT-8 user on my K2, I find this thread fascinating. But all these
software solutions appear to be for PC’s. Is there something equivalent for
Macs?
Randy, NB7E
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> On Oct 19, 2019, at 12:59 PM, David Gilbert wrote:
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>
> My laptop, which I use for FT8, fires up a
On 10/19/2019 7:42 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
Two minutes early and stop 2 minutes early and 3KW PEP. Get your head out of
the sand. There is no honor among thieves.
Timing errors like this would be exposed by log checking. I'm a member
of one of the largest US contest clubs, and I've visi
I don't know Meinberg, but I use Dimension 4. It starts when my computer
boots. From pressing the On switch to full operation is about 1 minute, and
the computer time is set within 0.1 second. Anybody can do the same, no
problem.
Tony KT0NY
T
T
And you believe everyone else follows all the rules? Two minutes early and
stop 2 minutes early and 3KW PEP. Get your head out of the sand. There is no
honor among thieves.
Bob, K4TAX
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> On Oct 19, 2019, at 9:29 PM, j...@kk9a.com wrote:
>
> I cannot imagine starting a
I cannot imagine starting a contest two minutes before everyone else
or ending it two minutes later.
John KK9A - W4AAA
David Gilbert AB7E wrote:
My laptop, which I use for FT8, fires up about 2.5 seconds off. That's
unusable for FT8, which is why I use Meinberg NTP to sync it. I
couldn't
I use the same tool as Jim Brown. Nettime (from timesynctool.com) works
really well, and can be polled anytime to make sure the time is as close as
possible.
Gwen, NG3P
On Sat, Oct 19, 2019 at 4:24 PM Jim Brown wrote:
> Clock stability will depend on a lot of things, including temperature
> and
Clock stability will depend on a lot of things, including temperature
and the quality of the clock circuitry. Over the years, the clocks in my
Thinkpads have tended to be pretty stable. The $20 Casio on my wrist has
drifted about 30 seconds in the two years I've worn it.
Since first using JT65
My laptop, which I use for FT8, fires up about 2.5 seconds off. That's
unusable for FT8, which is why I use Meinberg NTP to sync it. I
couldn't care less if it was 2 minutes off for logging (even for
contesting), but for FT8 it should be, as you say, 0.5 seconds or better
for best results.
Hi all,
I couldn't agree more. I have had Meinberg NTP on both my computers for a
decade or more and it works perfectly. While I can't tell that it is ms
accurate (I have no doubt that it is) but it is certainly totally synced to
WWV as determined by the ear and eyes. Just Google it, install it an
do NOT trust Windows to set time accurately (and only once a day too).
They've mangled NTP so badly that it has a five minute accuracy
window... if you want your computer to be accurate, replace the MS
client with Meinburg. Mine stays within a few milliseconds now, easily
close enough for ham
On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 4:30 PM, John R. Lonigro wrote:
> that accuracy is required in the computer doing the encoding/decoding,
> not the radio
>
Correct. There are various automated schemes for making sure that the
computer clock is accurate; some have been discussed on thi
As I understand it, JT65 requires a highly accurate clock, accurate to
less than a second. However, unless the KX3 is capable of
encoding/decoding JT65, that accuracy is required in the computer doing
the encoding/decoding, not the radio. Sure, it would be nice if the KX3
clock were more accu
I consulted the data sheet for the clock circuit PCF8563T (U16 in the K3
circuit diagram ) You can adjust the average deviation over one year to less
than +- 5 minutes. Adjustment of one capacitior (C60) is required though.
http://www.nxp.com/acrobat_download/datasheets/PCF8563_6.pdf
Jan
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Thank you. This is the way the K3 utility sets up the clock and I never
noticed since it is very fast.
I will emulate same commands.
Laurent F6DEX
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It is a series of K3 commands. The K3 utility emulates what you would do from
the front panel. The commands used are SWT to tap various switches, MNxxx to
open the config:time menu, DS to read the VFO A display, and UP and DN to
change the hours, minutes, and seconds to match your time source.
Dick
Can you tell me what CAT command is available to set date/time . I don't see
it documented in the programming manual.
73, Laurent
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CAT commands have always been available that can be used to set the K3 Date and
Time. This is how the K3 Utility sets the date and time to match the PC clock.
Dick, K6KR
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On Jun 26, 2010, at 1:44 AM, Laurent F6DEX wrote:
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> Hello
>
> A suggestion for Wayne/Eric :
>
>
Hello
A suggestion for Wayne/Eric :
1) a CAT command to update the clock so that third party software can update
constantly at least once at each seession.
2) a MENU to correct time error
73, Laurent F6DEX
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Just to add a note of ? something to this thread
You are all correct that the clock is a really meaningless addition to the
K3
and in no way would I want any of the Elecraft gang wasting a minute on it..
I just find it an interesting little exercise to see if it could be made
more
accurat
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Woiks fer me
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Maybe we've had enough postings about the clock :)
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You were probably refering to the" Walthem" brand of railroad watch that
your father probably owned in the1940's
My father had one which I inherited. It is still here at my home but I
haven't looked at it in years. He used it while travelling the CNR and CPR
in Canada.
73, Bob VE3XM
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I haven't read all the responses to this thread but maybe it could be turned
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"...unwilling to pay even $1 for an accurate clock in the K3"
I bought a Citizen ECO drive watch a few months ago. I liked it because it was
solar powered and had a clean face. About once a month I might check it with
my internet-updated laptop computer clock. I paid about $175 at Costco for
Wayne is correct. It's "time" for a change.
Terry, W0FM
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Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 10:39 AM
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deletion
Maybe w
Remember what the old wise man said, " Man with a watch, knows what time it is,
man with two watches is never sure."
Mel 'Nuf said
--- On Fri, 6/25/10, Rick Dettinger wrote:
From: Rick Dettinger
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Clock Accuracy
To: "David Ferrington, M0XDF"
C
Yes, but their radios were just boat anchors.
73,
Rick Dettinger K7MW
On Jun 25, 2010, at 12:47 AM, David Ferrington, M0XDF wrote:
> Not that I'm complaining about the clock or criticising those that
> want more accuracy, but there was a time, a long time ago, when
> people didn't have cl
Maybe we've had enough postings about the clock :)
Thanks,
Wayne
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Unbelievable...
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Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 9:39 AM
To: 'Elecraft'
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Clock Accuracy and Outlook 2010 conversatio
You can do the same with Outlook 2007, which I use, and maybe even Outlook
2003.
Back to clocks(!), I've used computer logging since the DOS DXbase in the
early 1990s and now DXLab and have an "Atomic Clock" synced to WWVB on the
wall. My computer syncs with NIST every week or more often if I wan
elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Mike
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>
> Agreed about the clock. It's hard to imagine any logging software that
> can'
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Agreed about the clock. It's hard to imagine any logging software
Mike wrote:
> Agreed about the clock. It's hard to imagine any logging software that
> can't do a time sync with a NIST server, unless you're in the boonies.
> My wristwatch claims to sync with WWV nightly.
> I'm not sure what leeway LoTW (or some contests) allows for matching but
> it might be
I'm taking my K3 to field day in the morning. Tonight I will run the
utility and sync the time. It will be a clock in a convenient place
for FD, that can't get knocked off the card table 10 times. Doing
just what it was intended to do. It will be just fine.
On the wall here at home I have a cl
Agreed about the clock. It's hard to imagine any logging software that
can't do a time sync with a NIST server, unless you're in the boonies.
My wristwatch claims to sync with WWV nightly.
I'm not sure what leeway LoTW (or some contests) allows for matching but
it might be as tight as 30 seconds
Almost 30 years ago, when I designed the AL1200 amplifier, it included a
rough relative voltmeter like most other amps had except I included a
cheap peak voltage detector.
I thought I'd calibrate the cheap relative voltmeter scale, making the scale
show peak watts instead of zero through ten
No need to apologise and I'm sorry, I guessed you were questioning me since it
was my post attached.
I took no offence and intended none. My post wasn't supposed to be a criticism
of your post, of my post etc.
Lets all lighten up here folks, time is to short (sorry, couldn't resist it :-)
There
Ouch! My apologies, I was responding to the whole trend of negative
feelings toward K3 (and K2) clock counter. I did not mean to make it
sound like I was responding to your complaints (I don't even recall if
you DID complain about anything).
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 1:27 AM, David Ferrington, M0XDF
You miss something :-)
I'm not complaining about my clock, I think it is just fine, I only use it in
the field and like Don, I sync it before I go out - either via the utility or
via some other timepiece.
73 de M0XDF, K3 #174
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In our day and age it seems that Common Sense is in short supply.
Thank you, David, you managed to summarize what I was trying to say in
one single (although long) sentence.
My apologies to the reflector audience, I should have thought about
eloquence before I posted my version of the "oh, come on" response.
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 12:47 AM, David Ferrington, M
I apologize if it is inappropriate, but I am getting REALLY confused.
1 minute off in a month. It is 15 seconds off in a week. Let's say it
takes TWO minutes to correct it (maybe an overstatement, but still...)
Now, do you really mind spending extra TWO MINUTES correcting the
embedded clock than s
Not that I'm complaining about the clock or criticising those that want more
accuracy, but there was a time, a long time ago, when people didn't have clocks
or watches, and even when they got clocks, they were very inaccurate - the
first clocks didn't have minute hands!
I kinda think they were
Over here, I don't think the new rail companies know what a clock or a watch is!
I must be lucky, my clock has only lost 5 minutes in 5 months.
73 de M0XDF, K3 #174
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But those modes are computer generated, and the computer clock can be
easily sync'ed with a NIST standard. I don't know w
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But those modes are computer generated, and the computer clock can be
easily sync'ed with a NIST standard. I don't know why anyone would want
to use a fr
; Dave
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> Couldn't agree more. I can't imagine chopping my k3 to fiddle with the
> accuracy of the clock.
Couldn't agree more. I can't imagine chopping my k3 to fiddle with the
accuracy of the clock. It's mind bogglingly insane that anyone would even
consider doing that. Not that I don't accept that insanity is rampant (or at
least that common sense is an old fashioned concept). For goodness sake
But those modes are computer generated, and the computer clock can be
easily sync'ed with a NIST standard. I don't know why anyone would want
to use a free-running clock for anything that requires that degree of
accuracy.
The RTC in the K2 or the K3 is intended only for a logging convenience
Some digital (HF) modes require transmissions timed to start within 1 second
accuracy. I learnt a long time ago not to use the internal K3 clock for that
purpose.
Dave
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 00:32:45 +
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Phil,
Interesting that you should mention "railroad accuracy".
My father worked for the P&LE railroad based out of Pittsburgh. PA.
When he hired on, he was required to buy a pocket watch - an approved
type from an approved jewelery store in Pittsburgh, PA, the railroad
provided a "payment plan
I feel cheated! The 18,000 dollar Agilent scope I have on my bench
doesn't have a clock in it... However the 60,000 dollar Agilent scope
we just bought has windows on it and that syncs up over the net so that
one remains fairly accurate... ;)
~Brett (N7MG)
On Thu, 2010-06-24 at 18:05 -0600, Cra
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> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Clock Accuracy
>
> Craig,
>
> A personal AMEN to that. I have two clocks in the hamshack that I use -
> the atomic clock which also tells me the date and day of the week in
> addition to both the indoor and outdoor tempera
Craig,
A personal AMEN to that. I have two clocks in the hamshack that I use -
the atomic clock which also tells me the date and day of the week in
addition to both the indoor and outdoor temperature, and the MFJ 24 hour
analog clock on the wall which is set to GMT. I can tell at a glance
wh
The clock on my K3 isn't terribly accurate either. But I've since learned
how to deal with it. Pretty much every piece of electronics you buy these
days has a clock in it. I've found absolutely zero correlation between the
accuracy of the clocks and the overall quality or cost of the equipment.
On 6/24/2010 3:34 PM, VE3NFK wrote:
> Clock is slow by 4 MINUTES after 4 months which is bit annoying.
"Railroad accuracy" is 30 seconds per month, resettable when it gets
That far out. Looks like you are only half as accurate as my wristwatch.
Thanks Wayne
I know about and use the K3 Utility - but would like it to be better
- IF you know off the top of your head which cap to change for a
trimmer then that would be nice - otherwise I'll dig through the
schematics.
Won't do it until next time I need to open 'er up!
73 John VE3N
On 2
On Jun 24, 2010, at 3:34 PM, VE3NFK wrote:
>
>
> Hi Wayne
>
> I'd like to adjust mine - would the cap on the clock chip be worth
> changing
> to a trimmer?
You could do that.
>
> Clock is slow by 4 MINUTES after 4 months which is bit annoying.
That's right at the upper boundary of the accur
Hi Wayne
I'd like to adjust mine - would the cap on the clock chip be worth changing
to a trimmer?
Clock is slow by 4 MINUTES after 4 months which is bit annoying.
Thanks and 73 John VE3NFK
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Thanks Don, in that case I won't worry about it.
I realised it wasn't recharged, but thought perhaps the drain was less when the
K3 is connected to 12v.
73 de M0XDF, K3 #174
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On 24 Jun 2010, at 20:53, Don Wilhelm
The click chip is not directly accessible from the RS 232 interface
Dick, K6KR
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On Jun 24, 2010, at 12:35 PM, "David Ferrington, M0XDF"
wrote:
> so perhaps that could be added to the Utility
> 73 de M0XDF
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Would not the act of changing the battery clear/reset this bit. With
no battery present what
would sustain this information?
Bob
K2TK
On 6/24/2010 3:11 PM, Richard Dowling wrote:
> The RTC IC has a low voltage detector which sets a bit in the seconds
> register. Thus (from the IC data sheet):
David,
The coin battery is not recharged - it operates standalone. It will
normally last for several years. Consider the frequency with which you
have to replace those coin batteries in computers - the K3 clock battery
should have a similar lifetime.
73,
Don W3FPR
David Ferrington, M0XDF wr
I'm curious which way the clock is off, fast or slow?
There is a dedicated clock IC on the front panel board which has a
fixed capacitor across the 32.768 KHz crystal. The data sheet for
the PCF8563 clock IC states that that capicator can made a trimmer to
set the frequency exactly. Of course
so perhaps that could be added to the Utility
73 de M0XDF
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On 24 Jun 2010, at 20:11, Richard Dowling wrote:
> The RTC IC has a low voltage detector which sets a bit in the seconds
> regis
I'd like to be able to check occasionally - the K3 is quite often off 12v for
some time
73 de M0XDF, K3 #174
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On 24 Jun 2010, at 19:43, Brian Alsop wrote:
> David Ferrington, M0XDF wrote:
>> Regarding th
The RTC IC has a low voltage detector which sets a bit in the seconds
register. Thus (from the IC data sheet):
8.5 Voltage-low detector and clock monitor
The PCF8563 has an on-chip voltage-low detector. When VDD drops below Vlow the
VL bit (Voltage Low, bit 7 in the Seconds register) is set to
"...Time set is in the config menu. .."
The easiest way is to use the K3 Utility. Trivial setting the time this
way.
Phil - AD5X
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David Ferrington, M0XDF wrote:
> Regarding the battery, is there a way to check it's voltage or projected life
> - without taking the cover off and measuring it?
> 73 de M0XDF
Reminds me of the same suggestion implemented in a few IBM prototype
PC'S for the CMOS battery. They devised a circuit
Regarding the battery, is there a way to check it's voltage or projected life -
without taking the cover off and measuring it?
73 de M0XDF
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The TCXO has no relation to the K3's real-time clock, which has its
own crystal. Neat idea, though :) Of course the RTC is powered at all
times, even with the rig is off, via its own 3-V battery. The TXCO is
powered down when the rig is off.
73,
Wayne
N6KR
On Jun 24, 2010, at 11:19 AM, Ric
Wayne,
Finally!
John
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My clock runs about 15 seconds fast by the end of summer, and this is
made up by the following spring in my sometimes heated ham shack. The
annual error is very small. But temperature is a factor. I
originally thought that all frequencies on the K3 would be controlled
by the TCXO, but, o
in
Kabul, use your GPS to find the correct time. Hope this is what you are asking.
Willis 'Cookie' Cooke
K5EWJ
From: John
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Thu, June 24, 2010 12:24:35 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] Clock Accuracy
Besides trivializing t
Hi John,
The clock's accuracy is typically +/- 2 seconds per day. If that
doesn't suffice for a long trip, and you don't have a timepiece to
correlate it to, you could attempt to adjust the frequency of the
clock crystal closer to 32768 Hz. This usually requires some long-term
experimentat
Besides trivializing the subject, has anyone a way to make the clock in the
K# accurate. I foind it of value when in places like Kabul where there is
no access to WWV (for example) and while working a contest (like CQ WWSSB).
John Kountz, KE6GFF/T6EE
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