[Elecraft] K3: Do you "Juice" your K3?

2009-03-11 Thread Lee Buller
Does anyone "juice" their K3 bu turning up the PS voltage to 15 volts or so.  I do that with my K2/10 to get some more power out.  I was wondering if that is a practice with the K3 which I am not doing. Lee - K0WA The New Kansas QSO Party - August 29, Sat 9am-9pm and August 30 Sun 9am-3pm

Re: [Elecraft] K3: Do you "Juice" your K3?

2009-03-11 Thread w8zn
I don't think we even want to go here, Eric, PLEASE stop this thread immediately - Original Message - From: Lee Buller To: Elecraft Reflector Sent: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 17:43:24 + (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Do you "Juice" your K3? Does anyone &quo

Re: [Elecraft] K3: Do you "Juice" your K3?

2009-03-11 Thread David Ferrington, M0XDF
Lee, forgive me if I'm being dumb, but with voltage regulation etc. that shouldn't make any difference, should it? I no I wouldn't do it. 73 de M0XDF, K3 #174 -- One glance at a book and you hear the voice of another person, perhaps someone dead for 1,000 years. To read is to voyage through t

Re: [Elecraft] K3: Do you "Juice" your K3?

2009-03-11 Thread Darwin, Keith
-Original Message- From: w...@comcast.net I don't think we even want to go here, Eric, PLEASE stop this thread immediately - Why? I think it is an interesting question. I suspect that increasing the input voltage will either have no effect or will cause har

Re: [Elecraft] K3: Do you "Juice" your K3?

2009-03-11 Thread Jack Smith
I have a small mountain of data with efficiency and transmitted intermodulation versus supply voltage for my K3, but have yet to finish analyzing it. For the most part, higher voltage = better transmitted IMD, but the lower the overall DC efficiency (RF watts out / DC watts in). I've not desir

Re: [Elecraft] K3: Do you "Juice" your K3?

2009-03-11 Thread Ralph Tyrrell
I run my K3 at 80 Watts, unless I run less. At 80 Watts vrs 100 Watts I am down 0.97 dB, That loss will not be noticed on an S meter, or by the ear of the op on the other end. 73, Ty, W1TF K3 #696 __ Elecraft mailing list Hom

Re: [Elecraft] K3: Do you "Juice" your K3?

2009-03-11 Thread Jack Regan
I am very interested in this topic!!! I DO juice my KX1. I run it at 14.2 VDC when at home and it makes quite big difference in the output power! Of course, in the field I use a 12 VDC battery. I have almost never used the internal battery setup with a nominal 9 VDC. I am a big fan of more power

Re: [Elecraft] K3: Do you "Juice" your K3?

2009-03-11 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
No. I've never found any value in increasing power unless I can go up at least 6 dB - multiply my output power by at least 4 times. To most ears (and many meters), that's about 1 "S" unit. Ron AC7AC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: ht

Re: [Elecraft] K3: Do you "Juice" your K3?

2009-03-11 Thread Dave Hachadorian
During the NAQP RTTY, at one point I was calling a solid stream of CQ's at 100 watts output on RTTY and not getting any replies. I was watching the PA Temp, and it climbed up to 65C and looked like it wanted to keep rising pretty quickly. I think hi temp shutdown is at 84C. I backed off on my

Re: [Elecraft] K3: Do you "Juice" your K3?

2009-03-11 Thread w8zn
I believe the way ALC works in the rig, unless you tell it you want more, it wouldn't do it even if you increased the capability. And it is the software that tells it how much to put out, so unless you change the software so it will go above 120w it won't. Unlike, say a TS850 where you just turn

Re: [Elecraft] K3: Do you "Juice" your K3?

2009-03-11 Thread Alan Price
You know, I tried to juice my K3, but my Jack Lelanne Juicer just broke down. Come on people, this is not CB! 73 Alan W1HYV > Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:08:39 + > From: w...@comcast.net > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: Do you "Juice

Re: [Elecraft] K3: Do you "Juice" your K3?

2009-03-11 Thread Julian, G4ILO
Darwin, Keith wrote: > > Why? I think it is an interesting question. I suspect that increasing > the input voltage will either have no effect or will cause harm if done > too much but would like to hear the inputs from the experts. > You don't have to look too far back in the reflector to s

Re: [Elecraft] K3: Do you "Juice" your K3?

2009-03-11 Thread Ed Muns
> During the NAQP RTTY, at one point I was calling a solid > stream of CQ's at 100 watts output on RTTY and not getting > any replies. I was watching the PA Temp, and it climbed up to > 65C and looked like it wanted to keep rising pretty quickly. > I think hi temp shutdown is at 84C. I backed o

Re: [Elecraft] K3: Do you "Juice" your K3?

2009-03-11 Thread David Gilbert
It all depends upon the circumstances. When I was trying to decide whether the additional 2 db gain from a larger yagi was worth the additional cost (yes, I know about the additional benefits of a tighter pattern), I generated some audio recordings comprised of CW sent from CW Player (freewar

Re: [Elecraft] K3: Do you "Juice" your K3?

2009-03-11 Thread Jack Smith
If you look at the DC current, you'll find that lower supply voltage for modes such as RTTY and CW are considerably more efficient for the K3. My measurements suggest that for a given output power, the K3 is more or less a constant current load. At 100 watts, the current is around 18A, so the

Re: [Elecraft] K3: Do you "Juice" your K3?

2009-03-11 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
-Original Message- This is interesting. I run 100 watts output on RTTY, CQing and working stations at a continual flow, and the fans hardly run at all. The PA temperature stays down. I wonder if there is something unique going on with your K3(s)? One user found a fan wire impeding the b

Re: [Elecraft] K3: Do you "Juice" your K3?

2009-03-11 Thread Bill W4ZV
Ed Muns, W0YK wrote: > >> During the NAQP RTTY, at one point I was calling a solid >> stream of CQ's at 100 watts output on RTTY and not getting >> any replies. I was watching the PA Temp, and it climbed up to >> 65C and looked like it wanted to keep rising pretty quickly. >> I think hi tem

Re: [Elecraft] K3: Do you "Juice" your K3?

2009-03-11 Thread Iain MacDonnell - N6ML
Ed Muns wrote: >> During the NAQP RTTY, at one point I was calling a solid >> stream of CQ's at 100 watts output on RTTY and not getting >> any replies. I was watching the PA Temp, and it climbed up to >> 65C and looked like it wanted to keep rising pretty quickly. >> I think hi temp shutdown

Re: [Elecraft] K3: Do you "Juice" your K3?

2009-03-11 Thread W0MU Mike Fatchett
craft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill W4ZV Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 3:45 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: Do you "Juice" your K3? Ed Muns, W0YK wrote: > >> During the NAQP RTTY, at one point I was calling a solid stream of >> CQ&#x

Re: [Elecraft] K3: Do you "Juice" your K3?

2009-03-11 Thread Lance Collister
I also am quite interested in learning what the maximum recommended supply voltage is for the K3. I recall some discussion indicating that it was advisable to have higher voltage rather than lower, but I don't recall what the maximum was. I have just ordered a 15 VDC 100A switching power su

Re: [Elecraft] K3: Do you "Juice" your K3?

2009-03-11 Thread Augie Hansen
Lance Collister wrote: > I also am quite interested in learning what the maximum recommended supply > voltage > is for the K3. I recall some discussion indicating that it was advisable to > have > higher voltage rather than lower, but I don't recall what the maximum was. I > have > just ord

Re: [Elecraft] K3: Do you "Juice" your K3?

2009-03-11 Thread Dave Hachadorian
Earlier today, I remarked that one of my K3's was running warm in the NAQP RTTY after an extended number of RTTY CQ's. Tonight I did a little experiment - key down at 100 watts for four minutes while noting PA Temp and fan speed. It turns out that there really is no problem. Both K3's behaved

Re: [Elecraft] K3: Do you "Juice" your K3? (or KX1)

2009-03-11 Thread Don Wilhelm
Jack, I am glad to hear that you have found success with that, BUT --- Be careful with "juicing" the KX1. Yes, the power output will increase with DC voltage, but running the KX1 at greater than 4 watts can cause problems. The peak RF voltage must be less than the breakover voltage for the ze