Re: [Elecraft] K3s Line Out (stereo)

2019-01-16 Thread KENT TRIMBLE
Hi Dick . . . Good to see you on the reflector again. One "earthly reason" for having four people wear headphones during FD is when you are wanting to train new operators.  By monitoring both sides of the contact they can better grasp what's going on and practice copying the exchanges (especi

Re: [Elecraft] K3s Line Out (stereo)

2019-01-16 Thread Jim Brown
On 1/16/2019 4:49 AM, K9MA wrote: I had to add isolation transformers for the same reason the K3 has them on the line outputs. If you had to add isolation transformers, your station is not properly bonded. There is NO good reason for needing transformers if all the equipment in a station is

Re: [Elecraft] K3s Line Out (stereo)

2019-01-16 Thread K9MA
There's no mystery at all. The headphone outputs of two radios go to a switching system with a common ground. There inevitably is a small AC voltage difference between the chassis of the two radios, and from the radios to the rest of the system ground, which results in some current flowing in t

Re: [Elecraft] K3s Line Out (stereo)

2019-01-16 Thread RIchard Williams via Elecraft
Like Walter, I use the Behringer HA-400 with my K3 on Field Day.  You can have up to four individuals on headphones (no earthly idea why you would have four), and each can control the volume to their headsets.  If you have visitors and want to use the speaker too, that can be done in the menu s

Re: [Elecraft] K3s Line Out (stereo)

2019-01-16 Thread Bob McGraw K4TAX
I agree but in the case of using two radios, two pair of headphones, a switching system and getting hum indicates a serious deficiency in the station interconnection and ground scheme. Everything should be at the same potential, thus no current would flow.   As they say "sum-tin not right". 7

Re: [Elecraft] K3s Line Out (stereo)

2019-01-16 Thread Walter Underwood
Haven’t noticed any. It is a simple device, a quad op-amp and four pots in a little metal box. It runs off 12 V, so it can plug into the shack supply. wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Jan 16, 2019, at 8:14 AM, K9MA wrote: > > On 1/16/2019 10:0

Re: [Elecraft] K3s Line Out (stereo)

2019-01-16 Thread K9MA
On 1/16/2019 10:00, Walter Underwood wrote: When I need to drive two sets of headphones, I use a $25 Behringer HA400 headphone distribution amp. https://www.amazon.com/Behringer-HA400-Ultra-Compact-4-Channel-Headphone/dp/B000KIPT30 Any trouble with RFI? 73, Scott K9MA -- Scott K9MA k...@

Re: [Elecraft] K3s Line Out (stereo)

2019-01-16 Thread Walter Underwood
When I need to drive two sets of headphones, I use a $25 Behringer HA400 headphone distribution amp. https://www.amazon.com/Behringer-HA400-Ultra-Compact-4-Channel-Headphone/dp/B000KIPT30 wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Jan 16, 2019, at 7:36 A

Re: [Elecraft] K3s Line Out (stereo)

2019-01-16 Thread Don Wilhelm
The K3/K3S Line Out already has isolation transformers internal to the K3. I do not understand any need to put additional transformers in the audio path(s). What happens if you cable to LINE OUT signals to a computer soundcard (with both left and right channels - some only are one channel if

Re: [Elecraft] K3s Line Out (stereo)

2019-01-16 Thread K9MA
The headphone outputs from my radios are switched with some relays. The switching system has a common ground, which creates a ground loop, resulting in 60 Hz hum in the headphones. (Call it common impedance coupling, if you prefer.) I should have isolated the headphone grounds, but a path of le

Re: [Elecraft] K3s Line Out (stereo)

2019-01-16 Thread Bob McGraw K4TAX
I see no need for isolation transformers with headphones.  Likely the transformers is the reason the HP output won't drive a pair of headphones.   Isolation transformers?  Are they 3 winding hybrid transformers?    I've used them in professional audio installations but they are rare and expensi

Re: [Elecraft] K3s Line Out (stereo)

2019-01-16 Thread K9MA
My station has a relay system for switching the headphones between two different radios, among other things. I had to add isolation transformers for the same reason the K3 has them on the line outputs. The loss in the transformers reduces the audio level too much for the rear panel headphone ja

Re: [Elecraft] K3s Line Out (stereo)

2019-01-16 Thread Nr4c
Thanks Don. WAARC has been doing just that for about 8 or nine years. Works great. But some folks just want to make it hard. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Jan 16, 2019, at 12:38 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > Last Field Day, my K3 was used at the CW station. Two sets of headphones.

Re: [Elecraft] K3s Line Out (stereo)

2019-01-15 Thread Don Wilhelm
Last Field Day, my K3 was used at the CW station. Two sets of headphones. One for the operator and one for the logger. One was plugged into the rear panel Phones jack and the other was plugged into the front panel jack. No problem, no splitter. Ok, if there were folks nearby who wanted to list

Re: [Elecraft] K3s Line Out (stereo)

2019-01-15 Thread K9MA
I found that the level at headphone output, at least the rear panel one, was too low to drive two pairs of headphones in parallel in my setup, which includes some isolation transformers. The speaker output works fine with the headphones. (Don't try this with super sensitive low impedance headph

Re: [Elecraft] K3s Line Out (stereo)

2019-01-15 Thread Nr4c
Do you have a sub-receiver? Without it, I don’t think you have any signal to hear. Why use Line Out for speakers. There is a perfectly good jack marked Speakers right next to the Phones jack. Be sure and use a Stereo plug but it is for wait for it. Speakers! Sent from my iPhone ...

Re: [Elecraft] K3s Line Out (stereo)

2019-01-15 Thread Dave Sublette
yes On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 9:05 PM Charles Jack Hawley wrote: > Config-Spkrs set to 2? > > Chuck Jack > KE9UW > > Sent from my iPhone, cjack > > > On Jan 15, 2019, at 7:01 PM, Dave Sublette wrote: > > > > My K3s arrived over the weekend and I have been setting it up. I am using > > the rear A

[Elecraft] K3s Line Out (stereo)

2019-01-15 Thread Dave Sublette
My K3s arrived over the weekend and I have been setting it up. I am using the rear Audio jacks to drive either headphones, or the Line out to drive an amplifier and two speakers in the stereo mode. The headphone jack has stereo output ok. But the line out only has right channel audio. Left chann