Advanced head to head math will have to wait a bit due to the LOW LOW LOW
math skills of the math moron SCOTUS and media.
IRV for legislative bodies will be accurate enough for a while.
The minority rule gerrymander CRISIS in Western Civilization is N-O-W --
U.S.A., U.K., Canada, etc.
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The ANTI-Democracy minority rule gerrymander CRISIS in the U.S.A. is N-O-W.
Advanced head to head Condorcet math for legislative body elections will
have to wait a bit due to the LOW-LOW-LOW math in the U.S.A. politics.
Remember every soul who got killed/injured fighting the DEVIL monarchs/
oli
Mr. Allan and colleagues,
I have posted here a draft of Mr. Allan's interview article with an
introduction written by me.
If you have any questions, comments or edits please let me know. Mr. Allan,
if you have any pictures
you would like to include please let me know. Mr. Fobes interview shoul
Thank you again Mr. Fobes and everyone for your help. I have completed the
edits you requested
and pasted the updated article below. I will definitely use the VoteFair logo
in the article
and because the article is long enough I think we can put the picture of your
book as
well. Your book i
Adrian, although I do not think that readers will misunderstand the
words "mathematically equivalent," Kristofer has been insistent that he
does not like that wording, so let's change the wording accordingly:
"... VoteFair popularity ranking, which virtually always identifies the
same election
As long as everyone is somewhat comfortable with keeping the "mathematically
equivalent"
wording, I think we can move forward with the article. I put together the more
complete
text of the article with the interview included and some additions to the intro
to remind
readers of the group and
Hello Adrian and all, Here are my particulars:
* BSc. Biological Sciences. University of Guelph, 1992.
* Certificate in Computer Programming. Ryerson Polytechnic
University. Toronto, 1995.
* Independent sofware engineer, living in Toronto.
* Working in collaborative and social media
In the non-mathematical world the word "equivalent" means "having
similar or identical effects" which allows for not _always_ being
_identical_ in _all_ respects. That is the context for usage in the
Democracy Chronicles article.
Even in a rigorous academic mathematical context, "equivalent"
On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 11:28 PM, Richard Fobes <
electionmeth...@votefair.org> wrote:
> On 4/23/2012 12:05 PM, Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote:
>
>> On 04/22/2012 05:07 PM, Richard Fobes wrote:
>>
>> The core of the system is VoteFair popularity ranking, which is
>>> mathematically equivalent to th
On 4/23/2012 12:05 PM, Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote:
On 04/22/2012 05:07 PM, Richard Fobes wrote:
The core of the system is VoteFair popularity ranking, which is
mathematically equivalent to the Condorcet-Kemeny method, which is
one of the methods supported by the "Declaration of Election-Metho
On 04/22/2012 05:07 PM, Richard Fobes wrote:
The core of the system is VoteFair popularity ranking, which is
mathematically equivalent to the Condorcet-Kemeny method, which is
one of the methods supported by the "Declaration of Election-Method
Reform Advocates."
You said there are ballot sets
Thank you everyone for your help so far. It has been very nice to be so warmly
received by your colleagues. The first article has been published! You can
find it at the link below.
I want to encourage everyone to make comments or suggestions to Mr. Fobes'
personal introduction that he posted
Adrian Tawfik at Democracy Chronicles requested that I supply him with
an introduction to myself for the article that contains my answers to
his interview questions. I'm thinking that everyone else who also
answered his interview questions will need to supply an introduction,
and I figure that
Hi Adrian, and other EM members:
All of us are delighted that you and Democracy Chronicles agree with us
about the absolute necessity of an adequate voting system. So few peope
realize how key that is., at the center of the problem. Few people realize
the extent of Plurality's distortion, disregar
Hello everyone,
Sorry for my delay in writing this, I made a mistake signing up and it took me
a week to realize it. I have now read a lot of the forum discussions and I am
very happy that you all seem interested in getting your message out there. We
really want as many articles about election
On 4/15/2012 5:19 PM, ⸘Ŭalabio‽ wrote:
“Richard Fobes”:
On 4/14/2012 5:49 PM, Adrian Tawfik wrote:
I have attached the first draft of this article to this email in a Word
document so that you can take a look and make any edits or suggestions you
might like.
“Richard Fobes” :
> On 4/14/2012 5:49 PM, Adrian Tawfik wrote:
>> I have attached the first draft of this article to this email in a Word
>> document so that you can take a look and make any edits or suggestions you
>> might like.
¿Why do not we put the article on Go
More great news! The Democracy Chronicles wants to write a series of
articles, first about the Declaration and the forum, and then a separate
article about each of the people who have responded to the interview
questions. See below for details:
On 4/14/2012 5:49 PM, Adrian Tawfik wrote:
Dea
Hello Adrian, as asked:
Question 1. Your name and the city and country you work in.
Stéphane Rouillon, Montreal, Canada.
Question 2. What is your Company or Organization?
I work at SNC-Lavalin in system engineering (traffic actually).
Question 3. Any contact info you wish to give to be
>
> Question 1. Your name and the city and country you work in.
>
Name: Andrew Jennings. Mesa, Arizona, USA
> Question 2. What is your Company or Organization?
>
I'm on the board of the non-profit Center for Election Science, but these
opinions are my own.
> Question 3. Any contact info y
Below are the questions that editor Adrian Tawfik is inviting us to
answer. Clarifications follow the questions.
Question 1. Your name and the city and country you work in.
Richard Fobes, Portland, Oregon, United States
Question 3. Any contact info you wish to give to be published with
articl
On 4/5/12 2:36 AM, Richard Fobes wrote:
Great news: The online newspaper named "Democracy Chronicles" wants
to write an article about our "Declaration of Election-Method Reform
Advocates"!
The article also will cover what goes on in this election-method forum.
Below are the questions that ed
(I'm re-posting this with the correct subject-line)
Question 1. Your name and the city and country you work in.
I answer: Miami, Florida, U.S. (originally California)
Question 2. What is your Company or Organization?
I answer: No company or organization, though I've been a regular
particip
On 4/6/12 2:14 PM, Richard Fobes wrote:
On 4/6/2012 10:28 AM, robert bristow-johnson wrote:
where do i send my answers, Richard? i hadn't seen an email address for
Adrian or for Democracy Chronicles.
Simply reply to my original forum message (not this one). That will
post your reply to the
On 4/6/2012 10:28 AM, robert bristow-johnson wrote:
where do i send my answers, Richard? i hadn't seen an email address for
Adrian or for Democracy Chronicles.
Simply reply to my original forum message (not this one). That will
post your reply to the forum (with the correct subject).
Or, y
On 4/5/12 2:36 AM, Richard Fobes wrote:
Great news: The online newspaper named "Democracy Chronicles" wants
to write an article about our "Declaration of Election-Method Reform
Advocates"!
...
Clarifications:
* Please change the subject heading if you are writing something other
than you
Dear Richard and Adrian,
Richard Fobes said:
> Below are the questions that editor Adrian Tawfik is inviting us to
> answer. Clarifications follow the questions.
>
> Question 1. Your name and the city and country you work in.
Michael Allan, Toronto
> Question 2. What is your Company or Organ
2012/4/5 Richard Fobes
> Great news: The online newspaper named "Democracy Chronicles" wants to
> write an article about our "Declaration of Election-Method Reform
> Advocates"!
>
> The article also will cover what goes on in this election-method forum.
>
> Below are the questions that editor Ad
Great news: The online newspaper named "Democracy Chronicles" wants to
write an article about our "Declaration of Election-Method Reform
Advocates"!
The article also will cover what goes on in this election-method forum.
Below are the questions that editor Adrian Tawfik is inviting us to
ans
Good Afternoon, Don
Wow! You certainly put a lot of effort into proving a point not at
issue. I appreciate the legal citations, but they were unnecessary.
The right of the people to assemble, whether in 4-H Clubs or political
parties, is not in question.
[With regard to Professor Bibby's
Thanks Fred Gohlke for your comments. You make me think and challenged me
to review some of the Supreme Court opinions.
Don: "Political parties have a right under the U.S. Constitution
to form an association, to assemble (conventions), to
select a candidate, and to promote that pers
Good Morning, Don
re: "Political parties have a right under the U.S. Constitution
to form an association, to assemble (conventions), to
select a candidate, and to promote that person for public
office (assuming that public office is elected)."
That is not accurate. I believe you'
Thanks Kristofer for you thoughtful comments.
> Parties may still exist as "groups of common interest"
The first amendment states that they are allow to exist but they are also
"allowed to PROMOTE their common interest." Allowing them to exist is not
enough. They must (under the first amendm
Yes, direct dependency on money and
the donors to become elected may be
one of the key problems here. (Other
interesting areas areas of study
could be e.g. human interests and
weaknesses.) There are many approaches
and tricks one could use to reduce the
money related dependencies but maybe
there i
Don & Cathy Hoffard wrote:
The first amendment includes freedom of speech and freedom to assemble and
are very important components in a democratic society.
The Supreme Court has defined freedom of assemble to mean (or include)
freedom of association and is the right of individuals to form a gro
The first amendment includes freedom of speech and freedom to assemble and
are very important components in a democratic society.
The Supreme Court has defined freedom of assemble to mean (or include)
freedom of association and is the right of individuals to form a group or
organization and to all
Good Morning, Don
Thank you for your explanation. I do, indeed, agree that the electoral
process must not grant some citizens more power than others. That is
one of my objections to partisan politics: the party elite have a power
denied to the people. They make the political decisions. All
>Is it your belief that a political system, to be considered a democracy,
>must incorporate voting? Would you consider any other means of
>determining the will of the people?
Fred Gohlke
Sorry about the miss communication.
Wikipedia defines democracy as:
"Democracy is a form of gove
Good Afternoon, Don
May I ask something about your post? As written, it implies that you
equate voting and democracy. As you said in your post of March 15th,
"Democracy is difficult to define." and I want to be sure I'm drawing
the correct inference before I respond.
Is it your belief that
Good Morning (again), Michael
re: "I think Don would rather the voter remain involved for as
long as his desire *or* ability allows. So he would choose
to remain himself, in order to participate as a voter; or he
would be chosen by others, in order to participate as a
candida
Good morning Fred:
>The hypothesized 75 year old (who happens to be 5 years my junior)
will
>advance as far as his (or her) desire and ability allow. The decision
>to accept or reject public office need not be, and, for those
interested
>in influencing the outcome, will not
Fred Gohlke wrote:
> ... Among other things, [Don] hypothesized ...
>
> "A retired worker 75 year old who ... is not interested in
> being the city manager. He would thus not want the other
> two to vote for him. By not being selected to advance to
> the second round he has lo
Good Morning, Don
Thank you for taking the time to comment on my outline of Practical
Democracy. Among other things, you hypothesized ...
"A retired worker 75 year old who ... is not interested in
being the city manager. He would thus not want the other
two to vote for him. By
Don & Cathy Hoffard wrote:
You could change the Triad method to say that the final 9 would decide
who would get the job and not require that you select only from the
final 9. In this way our three citizens could have a chance to be part
of the final 9. It does not make the method consistent
Democracy is difficult to define. The Greeks (Aristotle) simple defined
democracy as "Rule by the Many". The question is what does "Rule" and
"Many" mean. This definition defines "Rule" as political power (control)
and "Many" as all the people (members/citizens). Most people would thus
define d
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