Re: [EM] Query for one and all, Clones

2003-09-03 Thread Forest Simmons
On Wed, 3 Sep 2003, [iso-8859-1] Kevin Venzke wrote: ... > Suppose one voter only sincerely approves and ranks 1 candidate, and another > voter does 5 candidates. Unless the method goes down to the fifth rankings, > the second voter is not able to make all the compromises he might've been > wil

Re: [EM] Query for one and all

2003-09-03 Thread Markus Schulze
Dear John B. Hodges, the following example demonstrates that Bucklin is vulnerable to "compromising" (i.e. insincerely ranking a candidate higher to make him win). Example: 4 A > B > C 3 B > C > A 2 C > A > B The unique Bucklin winner is candidate B. However, if the 2 CAB v

Re: [EM] Query for one and all

2003-09-03 Thread Markus Schulze
Dear John B. Hodges, the following example demonstrates that Bucklin violates consistency. Situation 1: 4 A > B > C 5 B > C > A 6 C > A > B Candidate C is the unique Bucklin winner. Situation 2: 4 A > B > C 5 C > A > B Candidate C is the unique

Re: [EM] Query for one and all

2003-09-03 Thread Markus Schulze
Dear John B. Hodges, I wrote (2 Sep 2003): > Situation 1: > > 2 A > B > C > 3 B > C > A > 4 C > A > B > > The winner is candidate C. > > Situation 2: > > Replacing C by C1, C2, and C3 gives: > > 2 A > B > C2 > C1 > C3 > 3 B > C3 > C2 > C1 > A > 4 C1 >

Re: [EM] Query for one and all, Clones

2003-09-03 Thread Kevin Venzke
John, Permit me to offer some answers: --- "John B. Hodges" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit : > >From: "James Gilmour" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: RE: [EM] Query for one and all > >JBH asked: > >> My question, for one and all: I

Re: [EM] Query for one and all

2003-09-02 Thread John B. Hodges
From: Markus Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [EM] Query for one and all Dear Kevin, you wrote (2 Sep 2003): I think MCA meets Clone Independence and Participation, but I'd like to hear reasoning to the contrary. Situation 1: 2 A > B > C 3 B > C > A

Re: [EM] Query for one and all

2003-09-02 Thread John B. Hodges
From: "James Gilmour" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [EM] Query for one and all JBH asked: My question, for one and all: Is there any desirable quality, that any single-winner method has, that this method does not have? Two problems. 1. Your second and subsequent preferences co

Re: [EM] Query for one and all

2003-09-02 Thread Kevin Venzke
Markus, --- Markus Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit : > you wrote (2 Sep 2003): > > I think MCA meets Clone Independence and Participation, > > but I'd like to hear reasoning to the contrary. I agree that the below shows a failure of Clone Independence in the method as it was described by Jo

Re: [EM] Query for one and all

2003-09-02 Thread Markus Schulze
Dear Kevin, you wrote (2 Sep 2003): > I think MCA meets Clone Independence and Participation, > but I'd like to hear reasoning to the contrary. Situation 1: 2 A > B > C 3 B > C > A 4 C > A > B The winner is candidate C. Situation 2: Replacing C by C1, C2, and C3 gives:

Re: [EM] Query for one and all

2003-09-01 Thread Kevin Venzke
--- Markus Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit : > Dear John B. Hodges, > > you wrote (1 Sep 2003): > > This method has been called "Generalized Bucklin", and AFAICT > > could also be called "Majority Choice Approval". My question, > > for one and all: Is there any desirable quality, that any >

Re: [EM] Query for one and all

2003-09-01 Thread Markus Schulze
Dear John B. Hodges, you wrote (1 Sep 2003): > This method has been called "Generalized Bucklin", and AFAICT > could also be called "Majority Choice Approval". My question, > for one and all: Is there any desirable quality, that any > single-winner method has, that this method does not have? Cond

RE: [EM] Query for one and all

2003-09-01 Thread James Gilmour
JBH asked: > My question, for one and all: Is there any desirable quality, that > any single-winner method has, that this method does not have? Two problems. 1. Your second and subsequent preferences count against your first preference. 2. If more than first preferences have to be counted, the v

[EM] Query for one and all

2003-09-01 Thread John B. Hodges
Consider the following single-winner method. Voters submit ranked ballots, ties allowed, truncation allowed. (Only one vote allowed for each candidate.) First-choice votes are tallied; if anyone gets a majority, the one with the largest tally wins. If no one gets a majority of first-chioce vote