Re: [Emc-developers] NURBS, jerk minimization, and other stuff

2013-07-07 Thread Alexey Starikovskiy
There is an quite simple algorithm, which is used in TinyG firmware. There is a link to the paper from their github. No NURBS involved. On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 1:23 AM, EBo wrote: > Since I do not have my references handy I thought I would review some > of the properties necessary to geometrical

Re: [Emc-developers] Vote Seb for 2.6 Release Manager!

2013-07-07 Thread Sebastian Kuzminsky
On 07/07/2013 09:34 PM, Jon Elson wrote: > I have just committed the 2nd piece of the updates I was making to the > hal_ppmc driver to add driver support for two features I added to > the PPMC encoder board. I committed these to the v2.5_branch, > but they should also get merged to master and 2.6.

Re: [Emc-developers] "Open" Development

2013-07-07 Thread dave
On Sun, 2013-07-07 at 23:21 -0500, John Morris wrote: > On 07/06/2013 04:28 PM, Jon Elson wrote: > > Chris Morley wrote: > >> I am not an expert, just interested. I don't follow your reasoning. > >> Jerk limiting is about having the TP ask for movement that is possible > >> for the machine to act

Re: [Emc-developers] "Open" Development

2013-07-07 Thread John Morris
On 07/06/2013 04:28 PM, Jon Elson wrote: > Chris Morley wrote: >> I am not an expert, just interested. I don't follow your reasoning. >> Jerk limiting is about having the TP ask for movement that is possible >> for the machine to actually produce. >> infinite jerk is impossible for a machine to p

Re: [Emc-developers] Vote Seb for 2.6 Release Manager!

2013-07-07 Thread Jon Elson
Sebastian Kuzminsky wrote: > > * Immediately after being selected RM, I will talk to the developer > community and see what feature branches people are working on that they > want to get into the 2.6 release, and that they think they can finish in > the next few weeks. I have just committed the

Re: [Emc-developers] "Open" Development

2013-07-07 Thread Jon Elson
Chris Morley wrote: > > For instance if your machine could move maximally at 50 inches a minute, why > would > you allow the TP to ask it to move 52 while G33.1? Same premise as jerk > limiting. > If your machine really can run 52 then why not set the limits to 52? > Well, this is the probl

[Emc-developers] NURBS, jerk minimization, and other stuff

2013-07-07 Thread EBo
Since I do not have my references handy I thought I would review some of the properties necessary to geometrically minimize jerk. I found a couple of references online that might make for a good read: Smooth trajectory generation for five-axis machine tools: http://academia.edu/3862221/Smooth_

Re: [Emc-developers] "Open" Development

2013-07-07 Thread EBo
On Jul 7 2013 12:00 PM, Jon Elson wrote: > Matt Shaver wrote: >> >> >> Here's what I think Jon is talking about: When in a rigid tapping >> cycle, the Z axis is "slaved" to the rotational position of the >> spindle. The spindle will have its own characteristics of motion, >> but >> we don't always

Re: [Emc-developers] Okuma absolute encoders

2013-07-07 Thread Chris Morley
> From: bodge...@gmail.com > Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2013 20:08:19 +0100 > To: emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [Emc-developers] Okuma absolute encoders > > On 6 July 2013 16:58, Chris Morley wrote: > > Linuxcnc would need some changes to be able to use the absolute feedback > > di

Re: [Emc-developers] "Open" Development

2013-07-07 Thread EBo
On Jul 7 2013 6:19 AM, Matt Shaver wrote: > On Sat, 6 Jul 2013 20:23:12 + > Chris Morley wrote: > >> I guess it really comes down to at what performance machine does >> jerk >> limitation show real benefits ? > > I would guess that almost all machines _we_ deal with would benefit > from jerk

Re: [Emc-developers] Okuma absolute encoders

2013-07-07 Thread andy pugh
On 6 July 2013 16:58, Chris Morley wrote: > Linuxcnc would need some changes to be able to use the absolute feedback > directly. > Though maybe a component to convert the absolute to incremental and a home > pulse > similar to the BLDC component? Andy - what you think? If this is for an axis, t

Re: [Emc-developers] "Open" Development

2013-07-07 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 07 July 2013 14:33:40 Dave did opine: > On 7/7/2013 1:51 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Sunday 07 July 2013 01:20:43 Jon Elson did opine: > >> Gene Heskett wrote: > >>>Now I can > >>> > >>> write a peck loop wrapping up the G33.1, that can drive a 10-32 tap > >>> half an inch into a

Re: [Emc-developers] "Open" Development

2013-07-07 Thread Jon Elson
Matt Shaver wrote: > > > Here's what I think Jon is talking about: When in a rigid tapping > cycle, the Z axis is "slaved" to the rotational position of the > spindle. The spindle will have its own characteristics of motion, but > we don't always have tight servo control over them. For example, at

Re: [Emc-developers] "Open" Development

2013-07-07 Thread Jon Elson
Gene Heskett wrote: > On Sunday 07 July 2013 01:20:43 Jon Elson did opine: > > >> Gene Heskett wrote: >> >>> Now I can >>> >>> write a peck loop wrapping up the G33.1, that can drive a 10-32 tap >>> half an inch into a prepared hole, backing out to clear chips, and do >>> it in perhaps 45

Re: [Emc-developers] "Open" Development

2013-07-07 Thread Chris Morley
> Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2013 08:19:30 -0400 > From: m...@mattshaver.com > To: emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [Emc-developers] "Open" Development > > On Sat, 6 Jul 2013 20:23:12 + > Chris Morley wrote: > > > I guess it really comes down to at what performance machine does je

Re: [Emc-developers] "Open" Development

2013-07-07 Thread Jon Elson
Chris Morley wrote: > > So you wouldn't need to turn jerk limiting off for G33.1 then. > Just as we don't turn acceleration or speed limiting off for G33.1 > > Perhaps. What you have to be really careful with is anything that could cause delay in the trajectory following the spindle. We had

Re: [Emc-developers] "Open" Development

2013-07-07 Thread Dave
On 7/7/2013 1:51 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Sunday 07 July 2013 01:20:43 Jon Elson did opine: > > >> Gene Heskett wrote: >> >>>Now I can >>> >>> write a peck loop wrapping up the G33.1, that can drive a 10-32 tap >>> half an inch into a prepared hole, backing out to clear chips, and

Re: [Emc-developers] "Open" Development

2013-07-07 Thread Matt Shaver
On Sat, 6 Jul 2013 20:23:12 + Chris Morley wrote: > I guess it really comes down to at what performance machine does jerk > limitation show real benefits ? I would guess that almost all machines _we_ deal with would benefit from jerk limiting. A machine that might be able to get away withou

Re: [Emc-developers] plans for LinuxCNC 2.6

2013-07-07 Thread Schooner
On 06/07/13 11:23, emc-developers-request@lists.sourceforge.net wrote: > Think about what new features you want to get into the 2.6 release, and > let me know what your plans/desires are. I want to make the new stable > branch this month some time: anything you can have ready and reasonably >