Re: SV: Selection of Directives

2002-01-05 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that am...@westin-emission.no wrote (in LFENJLPMMJB mhpeibnilaepjcbaa.am...@westin-emission.no) about 'SV: Selection of Directives', on Sat, 5 Jan 2002: I wish I had seen this magical matrix, but unfortunately I have not. I assume that a matrix like this would be very

Re: EMC-related safety issues

2002-01-05 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that cherryclo...@aol.com wrote (in 43.47bb025.29689...@aol.com) about 'EMC-related safety issues', on Sat, 5 Jan 2002: The one in a billion John refers to sounds very dramatic and difficult. More dramatic than you 'infant daughter' and '40 mph past a school'? I

Re: EMC-related safety issues

2002-01-05 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that cherryclo...@aol.com wrote (in 132.6f59d2b.296 89...@aol.com) about 'EMC-related safety issues', on Sat, 5 Jan 2002: Dear Cortland People can't simply say: ordinary semiconductors won't demodulate RF levels produced by an unintentional radiator  even the

Re: EMC-related safety issues

2002-01-05 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that cherryclo...@aol.com wrote (in 92.1f676722.296 88...@aol.com) about 'EMC-related safety issues', on Sat, 5 Jan 2002: I am truly sorry if I irritated you by misunderstanding your words, but I took your posting to imply that electronic circuits which are not

Re: EMC-related safety issues

2002-01-05 Thread CherryClough
The one in a billion John refers to sounds very dramatic and difficult. So it may be helpful to refer to IEC 61508 which is a recently-published 'basic safety publication' covering The functional safety of electrical / electronic / programmable safety-related systems IEC 61508 uses the

Re: EMC-related safety issues

2002-01-05 Thread CherryClough
In a message dated 04/01/02 19:31:51 GMT Standard Time, j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk writes: The trick, I believe, is not to be in that position in the first place. Design your products using the latest safety knowledge and test them well to discover if they have any weaknesses you did not

Re: EMC-related safety issues

2002-01-05 Thread CherryClough
Dear Cortland People can't simply say: ordinary semiconductors won't demodulate RF levels produced by an unintentional radiator – even the smallest amount of RF can be demodulated – there are no hysteresis or threshold effects in a PN semiconductor junction or FET that is biased into its

Re: EMC-related safety issues

2002-01-05 Thread CherryClough
Dear Ken That is exactly what I am saying: under the EU's Product Liability Directive a company can be held liable for unlimited damages with no proof of negligence on the manufacturer's part. It is of course a valid management decision to ignore a market that is almost as large as USA/Canada

Re: EMC-related safety issues

2002-01-05 Thread CherryClough
Dear Ken That is precisely the point I was trying to make: all companies (and people) always weigh up all the costs and risks that they know about and act accordingly. The problem arises when certain risks are unknown or ignored, for whatever reasons. I see it as part of every engineer's job

Re: EMC-related safety issues

2002-01-05 Thread CherryClough
Dear Ken I am truly sorry if I irritated you by misunderstanding your words, but I took your posting to imply that electronic circuits which are not designed as RF receivers would not respond very well to radio frequencies. My example was not intended to be a full answer to your example (there

Re: SV: Selection of Directives

2002-01-05 Thread CherryClough
Dear All A page on our website www.cherryclough.com has a useful list of EU directives relating to electronic products (and not just the CE marking ones) and the URLs where they and lists of their relevant standards can be downloaded from. Not every possible directive is covered, but I think

SV: Selection of Directives

2002-01-05 Thread amund
Hi Sam, I wish I had seen this magical matrix, but unfortunately I have not. I assume that a matrix like this would be very complex and comprehensive. Example: An ITE would have to qualify for EMCD and maybe RTTE, maybe also LVD if the voltages are within the scope and if it is placed in an

Re: EMC-related safety issues

2002-01-05 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that John Shinn john.sh...@sanmina-sci.com wrote (in 002401c19584$35f73660$0b3d1...@hadco.comsanmina.com) about 'EMC- related safety issues', on Fri, 4 Jan 2002: So where do I drill the hole in my fuel injection system? You don't. You put a pint of water in the tank and a

Re: EMC-related safety issues

2002-01-05 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Ken Javor ken.ja...@emccompliance.com wrote (in b85bb29d.c04%ken.ja...@emccompliance.com) about 'EMC-related safety issues', on Fri, 4 Jan 2002: My take on it is that rather than appease ridiculous demands, a company ought to look at the profit vs. risk vs. cost

Re: Magnetic measurement per CISPR 15

2002-01-05 Thread Robert Macy
It is my understanding that the conversion factor converts the voltage reading on a 50 ohm receiver to the amperage reading directly. In other words, 1dbuV *is* 1dBuA and already takes into account the 50 ohm input impedance. Sadly, all this was written before advancements in electronics

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Magnetic measurement per CISPR 15

2002-01-05 Thread KC CHAN [PDD]
Hi all I got a question about the magnetic measurement per CISPR 15, it says that the sensitivity of the current probe is 1V/A. My interpretation is that X dBuV measurement you got from the EMI receiver, corresponding to XdBuA, which is then compared to the limit, say 88dBuA at 50 kHz for

Re: EMC-related safety issues

2002-01-05 Thread Jim Freeman
Hi Ken, The reason that those companies stopped was because it was found that there was mercury in the formulation of the vaccine. The mercury had no other use other than stabilization. The mercury is known to cause brain damage. Prior to around 1980, DPT was not given to infants. The rise in

Re: Primary Power Range on a Product Label ...

2002-01-05 Thread Tania Grant
Doug, For -48 Vdc equipment, the 3rd edition of CSA/UL 60950 gives a should in Annex NAB.2 unless otherwise specified by the manufacturer... It is worth a look. taniagr...@msn.com - Original Message - From: Doug McKean dmck...@auspex.com To: EMC-PSTC Discussion Group

Re: EMC-related safety issues

2002-01-05 Thread Ken Javor
Interesting to note that this country (USA) got started in part because of a tax on tea. I think you are saying here that a company can be held liable for unlimited damages with no proof of negligence on the manufacturer's part. If I were a manufacturer I would simply not market to the EU. on

Re: EMC-related safety issues

2002-01-05 Thread Ken Javor
My take on it is that rather than appease ridiculous demands, a company ought to look at the profit vs. risk vs. cost to consumer and decide, heck, it ain't worth it. Case in point on the news today I heard that DPT shots are in short supply, because two companies quit making it. They quit

Re: EMC-related safety issues

2002-01-05 Thread Ken Javor
One sure way to REALLY irritate me is to twist my words and try to make me look stupid (I do a fine job by myself on occasion and don't appreciate any outside help). I did not say that pn junctions don't detect and rectify rf, I said that the field intensities associated with unintentional

Re: EMC-related safety issues

2002-01-05 Thread Cortland Richmond
We need to separate specific regulation from general. The FCC does not care if a radio front end is wide open, though it now requires scanning receivers to have 38 dB image rejection. This does not mean they have narrow front ends, however. A SW receiver with a 75 MHz If may well have

RE: EMC-related safety issues

2002-01-05 Thread John Shinn
So where do I drill the hole in my fuel injection system? John -Original Message- From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of Doug McKean Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 2:37 PM To: EMC-PSTC Discussion Group Subject: Re: EMC-related

RE: EMC-related safety issues

2002-01-05 Thread George Stults
As I recall, a tank of gasohol and a long trip down the freeway beforehand was another method. Of course it didn't work as well if you then got in a long waiting line for the test. -George S. -Original Message- From: Doug McKean [mailto:dmck...@auspex.com] Sent: Friday, January

Primary Power Range on a Product Label ...

2002-01-05 Thread Doug McKean
I've never had an NRTL actually tell me what the specific domestic voltage *should* be. Either one is okay. I'm fairly certain you could get by with 100-115 as well. You probably know already, but keep in mind the primary voltage range placed on the label of a product directly sets the

RE: Selection of Directives

2002-01-05 Thread richwoods
Try starting with the following URL and drill downward for each directive where you will find guidance documents and the standards listed. http://europa.eu.int/comm/enterprise/newapproach/standardization/harmstds/re flist.html