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2003-01-17 Thread drcuthbert
I 'm afraid that my response to Neven's comments concerning EFT might have sounded like I didn't approve of his method. Far from it, I think his method is sound. I added my comments about component value selection as an aside. Keep up the good work. Dave Cuthbert Micron Technology

Can anyone recommend good EMC seminars for compliance managers?

2003-01-17 Thread Howard Ji
Hi Folks, My manager wants to attend an EMC seminar for compliance managers. He is not an EMC person and doesn't want to know all the technical details. I remember Univ. of Wisconcin offered such seminar before. Andway, any recommendation are appreciated. Details such as an URL is prefered.

RE: Video Cameras for EMC Test Monitoring

2003-01-17 Thread david_ster...@ademco.com
We use two dome cameras: one is mounted closer to the antenna on the left side, the other is closer to the EUT on the right side. We set up the EUT so the indicator is visible in x, y and z axis orientations. Fault indication can be wired to external LEDs if necessary. Of course, alarm

RE: OT: Help with German Industrial Abbreviations

2003-01-17 Thread david_ster...@ademco.com
Herr Stolle hat Recht. Lfd. Nr. = 'laufende Nummer' - Brockhaus Bildwöterbuch, 1960 McGraw-Hill A 'laufende Nummer' is litterally a 'running number', hence a serial number. David From: Thomas Stolle [mailto:off...@tstolle.in-berlin.de] Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 5:54 AM To:

RE: SV: NRTL in the U.S.

2003-01-17 Thread Tyra, John
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Attached is an article from the Conformity 2002 Annual Guide titled Know When You Need To List Your Product And When You Don't written by John Curtis of Curtis- Strauss LLC. It gives some great information. For those who, rightfully, fear attachments,

RE: Video Cameras for EMC Test Monitoring

2003-01-17 Thread david_ster...@ademco.com
I use off-the-shelf dome surveillance cameras with an x-y-z+zoom controller in the chamber at 20 V/m. Smoke covers are available for the camera mechanism. Contact me off-line for model numbers. We turn the cameras off during emissions measurements. Our antenna-EUT axis is somewhat diagonal;

RE: SV: NRTL in the U.S.

2003-01-17 Thread Tyra, John
This is partially true in that while the there are some EU standards harmonized with UL standards, they are not completely harmonized and you still have to consider the U.S. National Deviations to be totally complaint a good example is component approvals. The UL standard will usually require a

RE: SV: NRTL in the U.S.

2003-01-17 Thread Gary McInturff
Amund, I think early on you mentioned that you didn't want to be restricted where you could sell. So if that's the bottom line then I think its off the NRTL you go. Even given the single condition of the City of LA which not only requires it (or a City of LA inspection where they claim

RE: SV: NRTL in the U.S.

2003-01-17 Thread Ron Pickard
Hi Dave, You are not correct when you stated that UL60950 is the same as EN60950. Actually, both of these standards are based on IEC60950, but they are not equal to each other. Each has specific national deviations from IEC60950 that must be addressed if a product is to be successfully

RE: SV: NRTL in the U.S.

2003-01-17 Thread drcuthbert
Amund, Several EU standards have been harmonized with the United States UL standards. A list can be found at http://ulstandardsinfonet.ul.com/catalog/stdscatframe.html For example, UL 60950 the same as EN 60950. So, I'm thinking that if your device meets EU safety requirements it will make it

Re: I2C bus sensitivity to EFT

2003-01-17 Thread Doug Smith
Hi All, I can't resist throwing in my 2 cents worth as well. EFT has a pretty steep risetime of current, not quite as fast as ESD but fast enough to cause interesting effects. An EFT generator can produce 100 volts of di/dt across one cm of wire! (a Faraday voltage measurement, see

RE: I2C bus sensitivity to EFT

2003-01-17 Thread neve...@attbi.com
I agree. In fact it is no engineering at all. Cut and try is no engineering either. On the subject of adding caps in circuits for noise immunity. Rather than just throwing in a value of 0.1 uF, finding it works, and calling it good I like to use a different approach. Determine the lowest

RE: I2C bus sensitivity to EFT

2003-01-17 Thread robert.s...@flextronics.com
I applaud your approach to finding a proper value for production devices. By contrast, when I was a teen, I studied some schematics, but knew almost no theory and could read color codes only up to 5. I built several successful tube type AM transmitters using second hand components. I used

Re: Singapore and IDA license

2003-01-17 Thread Fred Borda
Hello Rob, If IDA used the term license, they may be referring to something other than equipment type approval. They could be referring to a dealer's license for your local supplier in Singapore. It could also be a radio license -- depending on the equipment we're talking about. If you want

RE: Is this a case of basic insulation?

2003-01-17 Thread Peter L. Tarver
Another option is to use contiguous sleeving and clamps whose mounting features do not require penetrating the sleeving. Regards, Peter L. Tarver, PE Product Safety Manager Sanmina-SCI Homologation Services San Jose, CA peter.tar...@sanmina-sci.com From: don_borow...@selinc.com Sent:

SV: SV: NRTL in the U.S.

2003-01-17 Thread Amund Westin
I would never dare to declare U.S. compliance without testing and certify via a NRTL. But what I am struggling with, is to gain knowledge about the basic electrical safety laws in U.S. Maybe I do not need legally to go through a NRTL, but that does not mean I would, even if I could. The

RE: I2C bus sensitivity to EFT

2003-01-17 Thread drcuthbert
On the subject of adding caps in circuits for noise immunity. Rather than just throwing in a value of 0.1 uF, finding it works, and calling it good I like to use a different approach. Determine the lowest value that will fix the immunity problem. Then find the largest value that will still allow

China Approvals

2003-01-17 Thread Aschenberg, Mat
Hello, I am looking get a copy of YD/T993: Technical Requirements and Test Methods of Lightening Resistibility for Telecommunication Terminal Equipment or preferably an equivalent document in English. Do you know where I might be able to locate this? Thanks, Mat Mat Aschenberg Agency

RE: Is this a case of basic insulation?

2003-01-17 Thread drcuthbert
I assume this is an off line switcher. If so, the FET is at mains potential and the required creepage and clearance distances is the same as the hot-to-ground creepage requirement(4 mm or is it 3 mm? for creepage). I would not use the chassis as a heatsink myself. Even dirt cheap PC power

RE: Is this a case of basic insulation?

2003-01-17 Thread don_borow...@selinc.com
If polymeric hardware can't handle the heat, one could use ceramic hardware. I just received some product info from a company called Ceramco www.ceramcoceramics.com that among other things produces a line of ceramic nuts, bolts and washers. Don Borowski Schweitzer Engineering Labs Pullman, WA

[Fwd: Re: [OT]: Help with German Industrial Abbreviations]

2003-01-17 Thread Jochen Feldhaar
Betreff: Re: [OT]: Help with German Industrial Abbreviations Datum: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 11:31:25 + Von: Jochen Feldhaar j.feldh...@telejet.de Firma: Telejet GmbH An: brian_ku...@leco.com Referenzen: tfsag...@leco.com Hi all, Werk Nr. means Series Number, Lfd. Nr. means Serial number

Re: SV: NRTL in the U.S.

2003-01-17 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Amund Westin am...@westin-emission.no wrote (in lfenjlpmmjbmhpeibnilaeapckaa.am...@westin-emission.no) about 'SV: NRTL in the U.S.' on Fri, 17 Jan 2003: Just for a few seconds forget the customers requirements, is it therefore a correct interpretation that electrical

RE: Is this a case of basic insulation?

2003-01-17 Thread Peter L. Tarver
Vic - Your assumption that at least Basic insulation is required is correct. However, creepage distances are based on rms voltages, not peak. The below assumes that the voltages you mentioned are present on the heatsink of the FET. Assuming that a true rms meter will indicate an rms voltage

RE: Singapore and IDA license

2003-01-17 Thread Frazee, Douglas (Douglas)
IDA is the Singapore telecom type approval authority. IDA approvals are required for equipment which connects directly to the public telecommunications network. You will find links to Type Approval regulatory bodies, worldwide, including IDA on this website: http://www.patton-assoc.com/

EMC test Lab. of Indonesia and Vietnam area

2003-01-17 Thread No-cheon,Park
I am finding EMC Laboratory in Indonesia and Vietnam area. Also,I know that it is in Philippines, Malaysia, Thailand and the India EMC Test Laboratory, I want to know level of service.

Re: SV: NRTL in the U.S.

2003-01-17 Thread Ronald R. Wellman
Hello Amund, Unfortunately, your question can be broadly interpreted. As a matter of law the U.S. has agencies (FCC, FDA) that require product approvals depending on their intended use and function. Also, the U.S. has environmental laws that are overseen by the Environmental Protection Agency

SV: Singapore and IDA license

2003-01-17 Thread Amund Westin
Visit www.ida.gov.sg or contact Colin Gan [mailto:colin@psbcorp.com] He might help you with the details. Amund I have been advised by the Singapore authorities that I need to get an IDA license . What is it and how do I get one? Thanks in anticipation Click on browse

Re: OT: Help with German Industrial Abbreviations

2003-01-17 Thread Thomas Stolle
On Thu, 16 Jan 2003 08:29:14 -0800, Price, Ed ed.pr...@cubic.com wrote: I would like to ask if some of our list members, who are familiar with German industrial marking practices, to help settle a discussion. I am trying to determine the significance of markings on an auto radiator ID plate.

RE: Singapore and IDA license

2003-01-17 Thread Andre, Pierre-Marie
Rob, Your question is so wide ? for which product ? You can start by visiting the IDA web site : http://www.ida.gov.sg/Website/IDAhome.nsf/fFrame?OpenFormdoc=B85AF9D7D0 636A83C82568380032B0A8 good luck Pierre-Marie Andre From: Rob Humphrey [mailto:rob.humph...@reuters.com] Sent:

Singapore and IDA license

2003-01-17 Thread Rob Humphrey
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SV: NRTL in the U.S.

2003-01-17 Thread Amund Westin
Hi Safety folks, Many good points in this discussion. For us up here in Scandinavia, we se the U.S. market as one Market and we can not (may be we should..) go into law details for the City of LA, Santa Clara County and so on. If there are States or Cities in the U.S. which require by law that

Is this a case of basic insulation?

2003-01-17 Thread Gibling, Vic
Hi to you all, We would appreciate your views please. We drive a FET based H-bridge from rectified 230VAC mains; thus 320Vpk across the bridge. We have assumed the insulation between the rectified power return and chassis (Class 1 product) is basic, thus requiring 4mm

New disk drive paper

2003-01-17 Thread Doug Smith
Hi All, I just posted another paper from the 2002 EOS/ESD Symposium to my site some of you may be interested in titled: Electromagnetic Interference (EMI) Inside a Hard Disk Drive Due to External ESD It is the last item in the Technical Information and Downloads section as well as a link

Re: I2C bus sensitivity to EFT

2003-01-17 Thread neve...@attbi.com
I have never worked on design of a product with external I2C bus, but considering the bus speed of 100 kHz to 3.4 MHz (depending on type) relative to about 60-100 MHz BW (depending on definition) of EFT, you may try killing good portion of EFT with ceramic caps. Be sure that the cable shield