Re: [PSES] X & Y Cap rating due to hipot test

2018-08-14 Thread Pat Lawler
it. Pat Lawler On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 7:53 PM Ken Javor wrote: > > Military procurement. They require 1000 volts hipot on this brush 28 Vdc > motor. No electronics in motor. My bottom line is can I make a good case for > not hipot testing the eeseal insert caps. Caps fail open, rig

Re: [PSES] Neat Funny Stories regarding EMI

2018-03-23 Thread Pat Lawler
Charles, I remember attending an amateur radio club meeting in the 1970s, and someone brought their new Altair 8080 personal computer - a new device for the tech savvy! His demonstration involved placing an AM radio next to the computer, then toggle-switch programming a long sequence into the

Re: [PSES] Neat Funny Stories regarding EMI

2018-03-23 Thread Pat Lawler
Hi Charles, One Sunday when my dad was young & attending church with his family, he heard a ragged voice came over the church PA (public address) system saying something to the effect of "Car 54, where are you?" Without breaking a beat, the pastor said "That may be the voice of God, but I

Re: [PSES] CI Software Flicker/Harmonics

2017-12-21 Thread Pat Lawler
Hi Brian, Can you ask your IT people to disable network access on the XP computer? It would no longer be a risk to the company. Data transfer would have to be via diskette or USB thumbdrive. I've worked at other facilities with specialized engineering computers 'off the network'. Pat On Dec

Re: [PSES] Unexplained High Fallout of Power Supplies

2015-09-16 Thread Pat Lawler
Hi Brian, - Have there been changes to the design of your system, specifically the AC EMI filter? Increased inductor values, either by design or vendor change (filter manufacturer, or type of core used in the filter) could cause excessive ringing at the input of the power supply at turn-on. -

Re: [PSES] Harmonised Standards for EMC Directive 2014/30/EU and Low Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU

2015-03-24 Thread Pat Lawler
Hi Monrad, What about creating a DoC with a timeline for the Directive followed? Something like: This device complies with the essential requirements of EMC Directive 2004/108/EC until 20 April 2016. After 20 April 2016, this device complies with EMC Directive 2014/30/EU. DoCs can be issued

Re: [PSES] Amendments of EN standard

2015-02-02 Thread Pat Lawler
Scott, I think the CENELEC standards start at 50xxx, and IEC standards start at 60xxx 55xxx. That means CENELEC amendments to: EN 50xxx standards start at A1 EN 60xxx EN 55xxx standards start at A11. Pat On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 5:52 AM, Scott Xe scott...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks! Did you

Re: [PSES] NRTL marks

2014-09-30 Thread Pat Lawler
Although I'm not familiar with the issue, maybe OSHA should charge NRTLs exorbitant fees for their label changes. This might relieve their headache, and give the NRTLs a taste of their own medicine. Pat On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 1:14 PM, Kevin Robinson kevinrobinso...@gmail.com wrote: Brian,

Re: [PSES] FCC EMI Test and Ferrites on Cables - a conundrum

2014-09-08 Thread Pat Lawler
with the product. I'm reminded of discussions on the listserver about selecting a brand of PC for peripheral testing, or having a particular PC with all the screws tightened and shielding contact surfaces polished clean. Pat Lawler plawl...@gmail.com On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 7:47 AM, dward dw

Re: [PSES] FCC EMI Test and Ferrites on Cables - a conundrum

2014-09-07 Thread Pat Lawler
products for best performance.' Pat Lawler plawl...@gmail.com On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Gary McInturff gary.mcintu...@esterline.com wrote: Playing the devil advocate here only because I find this interesting and I'm not advocating anything. Heck I'm probably just arguing for argument sake

Re: [PSES] Test and Calibration Labs

2014-08-29 Thread Pat Lawler
Hi Doug, A starting point might be the FCC's Contract Test Firm listing at https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/TestFirmSearch.cfm It doesn't reflect lab quality approvals or reputation, but it gives you a list of names to investigate. Pat On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 12:20 AM, Doug Powell

Re: [PSES] Test equipment

2014-06-28 Thread Pat Lawler
Richard, I once had an HP spectrum analyzer than had a dim screen after 10+ years of operation. Moving the display centering to use other parts of the phospher didn't help. I then removed the display glass and found a thin, even, layer of dust on the CRT. Thank you, electrostatic

Re: [PSES] Television Manufacturing Documentary From The Late 1950's - YouTube

2014-06-13 Thread Pat Lawler
Testing - Yes, it looked like they were testing it to death, leaving only the good ones to ship. Obviously, there were enough good ones to give RCA a good reputation. I almost expected quality engineers to be present when the consumer unboxed the set. Locations - I was surprised how many

Re: [PSES] Schaffer surge generator

2014-03-04 Thread Pat Lawler
4G LTE smartphone Original message From: Pat Lawler Date:03/03/2014 1:21 PM (GMT-05:00) To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Schaffer surge generator All, I need to calibrate our Schaffer NSG2050/PNW2055 surge generator. Two cal houses have 'no bid

[PSES] Schaffer surge generator

2014-03-03 Thread Pat Lawler
All, I need to calibrate our Schaffer NSG2050/PNW2055 surge generator. Two cal houses have 'no bid', and I'm waiting for Teseq to reply. Any suggestions for facilities in (or near) California? Pat - This message is from the IEEE

Re: [PSES] standards update and legal madness

2013-11-09 Thread Pat Lawler
- The customer could also view the situation as the standards body performing due diligence, and making corrections to the standard when they discover issues. Performing standards maintenance helps protect the customer in case of user lawsuits. - I wonder if there's an 'errors and omissions'

Re: [PSES] USA Canada rf emission test standards

2013-10-27 Thread Pat Lawler
In reviewing ICES-003, Issue 5-2012, I noticed the Class B radiated limits are sometimes higher than Class A limits by as much as 4.5dB! http://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/smt-gst.nsf/vwapj/ICES-003-issue5-2012.pdf/$FILE/ICES-003-issue5-2012.pdf Since the product classes have traditional definitions, I

Re: [PSES] USA Canada rf emission test standards

2013-10-27 Thread Pat Lawler
%2bpnowyekmxxuzt4zmcs...@mail.gmail.com, dated Sun, 27 Oct 2013, Pat Lawler plawl...@gmail.com writes: In reviewing ICES-003, Issue 5-2012, I noticed the Class B radiated limits are sometimes higher than Class A limits by as much as 4.5dB! http://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/**smt-gst.nsf/vwapj/ICES-003

[PSES] AC input test voltages - requirement for grounded phase?

2013-10-23 Thread Pat Lawler
All, Do the EMC test standards require one of the AC input phases ('neutral' in the U.S.) be grounded? If so, where can I find an example of this requirement? In the past, I had an experience where EMI test results with an AC supply of 120Vac/0Vac (a source with a grounded neutral) were higher

Re: [PSES] USB charging

2013-05-29 Thread Pat Lawler
It looks like it was turned into a standard. I found this on the USB.org web site: http://www.usb.org/developers/devclass_docs/BCv1.2_070312.zip I can see (more) confusion on the horizon for users -- It works when I charge it here but not there. Pat On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Doug

Re: [PSES] Mode-stirred, Mode-tuned, Reverb - what's the difference?

2013-05-04 Thread Pat Lawler
traditional methods. * * snip * * *Ed Price* *WB6WSN* *Chula Vista, CA USA* ** ** *From:* Pat Lawler [mailto:pat.law...@verizon.net pat.law...@verizon.net] *Sent:* Sunday, April 28, 2013 7:38 AM *To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG *Subject:* [PSES] Mode-stirred, Mode-tuned, Reverb

[PSES] Mode-stirred, Mode-tuned, Reverb - what's the difference?

2013-04-28 Thread Pat Lawler
ones are used for which type of RF immunity test? Thanks, Pat Lawler Teset engineer - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc

[PSES] Cellphone sniffer hunts down illicit prison calls

2013-03-14 Thread Pat Lawler
Cellphone sniffer hunts down illicit prison calls: http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21729085.700-cellphone-sniffer-hunts-down-illicit-prison-calls.html This sounds interesting. I wonder if they could use it to find PEDs on airplanes? Pat Lawler

Re: [PSES] Recast of RTTE directive

2013-02-27 Thread Pat Lawler
So, would having a DoC with a unique device ID imply the specific device was tested to the standards listed - 100% production testing? That would be cost prohibitive, not to mention degrading product reliability in the case of line surge immunity testing. Is there something in the recast that

[PSES] Boeing engineers use spuds to improve in-air Wi-Fi

2012-12-25 Thread Pat Lawler
I hadn't heard about it until now. Gives the kid's toy 'Mr. Potato Head' a whole new meaning! Pat Lawler Engineer Century Electronics - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list

Re: [PSES] CE Marking Provoqium

2012-08-25 Thread Pat Lawler
CE marking allows a product to be imported/cross borders without barrier. If something is assembled and sold inside the same EU country (the product never crosses borders), who is responsible for CE enforcement? Is it only complaint-based, or are there authorities who scan the marketplace? Pat

Re: [PSES] 61000-4-3: Rate of application of field

2012-08-20 Thread Pat Lawler
James, Are you asking simply to clarify the test procedure, or because you have a compliance problem? If it's an issue of compliance, maybe you should give details for discussion. Pat Lawler On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 2:53 AM, Pawson, James james.paw...@echostar.com wrote: Hello, I can't find

[PSES] EU sets EMC limits for London Olympics

2012-08-06 Thread Pat Lawler
transmitters and potential non-linear junctions! http://www.incompliancemag.com/index.php?option=com_contentview=articleid=1149:eu-sets-emc-limits-for-london-olympicscatid=1:latest-newsItemid=19 http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/sectors/electrical/files/emc/london-olympics-regul-2012_en.pdf Pat Lawler EMC

[PSES] New immunity testing by the FAA in the future?

2012-03-18 Thread Pat Lawler
Almost sounds like a whole new industry -- the business of testing aircraft for immunity to personal electronic devices: http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/03/18/disruptions-time-to-review-f-a-a-policy-on-gadgets/ Pat Lawler

Re: [PSES] New immunity testing by the FAA in the future?

2012-03-18 Thread Pat Lawler
]On Behalf Of Pat Lawler Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 4:54 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: New immunity testing by the FAA in the future? Almost sounds like a whole new industry -- the business of testing aircraft for immunity to personal electronic devices: http

Re: [PSES] harmonics flicker

2011-12-22 Thread Pat Lawler
standard to remove any doubt that it applied. That may have been the case with EN 61326. Pat Lawler On Wed, 21 Dec 2011 12:20:12 -0700, Grasso, Charles charles.gra...@echostar.com wrote: Isn't the requirement in the scope? EN 61000-3-2 applies to all electrical and electronic equipment that has

Synchronizing DC-DC converters to reduce emissions?

2003-07-30 Thread Pat Lawler
We are designing a switching power supply for a customer that has multiple outputs. Due to the tight regulation requirements, all outputs have their own PWM modulators and control loops. The customer feels the RF emissions (as measured by CISPR 11) will be reduced by synchronizing the

Re: More Odd Standards (To me anyway)

2003-07-15 Thread Pat Lawler
On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 08:09:16 -0400, Chris Maxwell chris.maxw...@nettest.com wrote: It seems that I have been getting some odd requests from our customer support people. We recently have been asked about compliance to IP55 and an EMC standard numbered G.692. IP55 sounds like an ingress protection

Re: apertures

2003-07-11 Thread Pat Lawler
On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 12:58:49 -0600, drcuthb...@micron.com wrote: I have a question on apertures. You may recall the formula that is frequently given for signal attenuation through a small aperture in a large conductive sheet. It is 20LOG(I/2L), where I is the wavelength and L is the slot length.

Re: Electrical Fast Transient (EFT) and the Real World

2003-06-04 Thread Pat Lawler
a section describing transients found in the United States. Pat Lawler pat.law...@verizon.net This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send

Re: CENELEC Harmonisation Documents

2003-06-03 Thread Pat Lawler
selecting an entry in the 'Status' or 'Stage Code' field. I'm not familiar with HD documents, so I don't know how to read the results. Pat Lawler pat.law...@verizon.nett (change nett to net to reply) This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion

Re: Spark-Gaps and clearance rules

1997-04-25 Thread Pat Lawler
gaps may not fail short circuit, but they can certainly act like one while in the arc mode. Holdover voltage on one 230V part was 135V - that causes a lot of current to flow with a low impedance source. Pat Lawler plaw...@west.net

Re: IEC320 and Double insulation

1997-04-22 Thread Pat Lawler
requirements? I saw a product once that was double-insulated, and they removed the ground pin from the _IEC320_receptacle_ (on the equipment). You could use any power cord, regardless of whether it had a ground wire. Very strange looking. Pat Lawler plaw...@west.net

Re: IEC1000-3-2: proposal for Class E?

1997-04-19 Thread Pat Lawler
On Wed, 16 Apr 97 11:15:00 EDT, georg...@trpo3.tr.unisys.com wrote: Class E limits would be for equipment greater than 1000 watts. Is there a typo? The magazine referenced applications 1000W. Pat Lawler plaw...@west.net

Re: Re[2]: IEC1000-3-2: proposal for Class E?

1997-04-18 Thread Pat Lawler
' limits (IEC1000-3-2 Class D), higher/lower limits than Class A, etc. This is even more significant to me than the proposed Class E! Thanks, Pat Lawler plaw...@west.net

IEC1000-3-2: proposal for Class E?

1997-04-16 Thread Pat Lawler
limits. Does anyone know what 'professional equipment' is, and what the Class E limits would be? Pat Lawler plaw...@west.net

EN55024 versus EN55101

1997-04-10 Thread Pat Lawler
I'm looking for EMC standards for Information Technology Equipment, and I've found references to EN55024-x and EN55101-x. Both of them have similar titles. What's the difference between the two? Which one should I be following? Pat Lawler plaw...@west.net

Re: Dual Function Product

1997-02-12 Thread Pat Lawler
input connector, would they disassemble it to access the portions inside? Pat Lawler plaw...@west.net

Re: Input power level vs. harmonic specs

1997-02-12 Thread Pat Lawler
' imaging, film-to-disk scanning, or ???). Therefore, the 'resistive heater' I mentioned in the beginning is actually a high-power lamp. Considering the typical efficiency of an incandescant lamp, it might as a well be a resistive heater. :) Pat Lawler plaw...@west.net

EMC meetings in southern California?

1997-02-10 Thread Pat Lawler
I see postings concerning EMC meetings in other parts of the U.S. Are there any similar meetings in southern California? Pat Lawler plaw...@west.net

IEC1000-3-2 vs. EN61000-3-2

1996-10-31 Thread Pat Lawler
I'm currently using IEC1000-3-2(1995-03) to determine my harmonic current requirements. Are there any significant technical changes in EN61000-3-2? I'd order the EN version if it was more than a simple document number change on the cover.

Re: IEC1000-4-3: Class A vs. Class D

1996-10-30 Thread Pat Lawler
At 06:16 PM 10/30/96 +0800, Alfred Lo alfre...@netvigator.com wrote: May I tell you that harmonic standard is IEC1000-3-2, but not IEC1000-4-3, it is a radiated immunity standard. My mistake: I _am_ asking about IEC1000-3-2. I've also been looking at other IEC1000 standards lately (-3-3, -4-2,

IEC1000-4-3: Class A vs. Class D

1996-10-30 Thread Pat Lawler
I'm trying to determine what harmonic emission limits our 200W power supplies need to comply with. IEC1000-4-3 has a flow chart that selects the limits based on the application. Since our products are used in ITE and ISM applications, I skip through the flowchart sections dealing with three-phase