I am working with the big W now and they seem to take their compliance
seriously.
Dave
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From: Richard Nute [mailto:ri...@ieee.org]
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 5:55 PM
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At least Walmart has
.
I couldn't find the equivalent for Sears/K-mart.
Rich
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> From: Ralph McDiarmid
> [mailto:Ralph.McDiarmid@SCHNEIDER-
> ELECTRIC.COM]
> Sent: 02 August 2016 21:17
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I'm sure others might do also!
John E Allen
W.London, UK
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From: Ralph McDiarmid [mailto:ralph.mcdiar...@schneider-electric.com]
Sent: 02 August 2016 21:17
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I wonder how Walmart, K-Mart,
Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US
Afternoon
Interesting article on ECMWEB - "OSHA Cites Macy's, The Finish Line for
Electrical Shock Hazards"
(http://ecmweb.com/shock-electrocution/osha-cites-macys-finish-line-electrical-shock-hazards?NL=ECM-04&Issue=ECM-04_20160801_EC
Afternoon
Interesting article on ECMWEB - "OSHA Cites Macy's, The Finish Line for
Electrical Shock Hazards"
(http://ecmweb.com/shock-electrocution/osha-cites-macys-finish-line-electrical-shock-hazards?NL=ECM-04&Issue=ECM-04_20160801_ECM-04_674&sfvc4enews=42&cl=article_7&utm_rid=CPG0400025478
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Dave:
“Common denominator” thinking would have the people of Ohio paying for a
product that would have California earthquake protection capability. Also, I
doubt that California customers would be happy with products that would
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 3:45 PM
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Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US
> I cannot see a reason not to have a federal installation code for all
> 50 states. The hodgepodge of local rules and regulations
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> I cannot see a reason not to have a federal installation code for all
> 50 states. The hodgepodge of local rules and regulations seems, on
> the surface, unnecessarily
> complicated.
> I cannot see a reason not to have a federal installation
> code for all 50 states. The hodgepodge of local rules
> and regulations seems, on the surface, unnecessarily
> complicated.
NIH.
Rich
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From: John Allen [mailto:john_e_al...@blueyonder.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 3:23 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US
What a web of “interconnecting” (and not!) US regulations
Hi Scott:
Regarding local requirements in a state, county or city, how can they buy a
product for particular state, county or city? Normally we sell the product to
whole country and it sounds strange to me. What is the normal practice to
restrict the movement of the imported products
multi-mode chargers and 'adaptive' EPS are
not directly covered, but test conditions may be inferred from 10CFR430.
Brian
From: Scott Xe [mailto:scott...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 10:44 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US
and do not necessarily reflect those of my
employer.
From: Scott Xe [mailto:scott...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 10:41 AM
To: Ted Eckert ; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US
Hi Ted,
Regarding local requirements in a state, county or city, how
m: *Ted Eckert
> *Date: *Wednesday, 27 July 2016 at 1:22 AM
> *To: *Raymond Li , "EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG" <
> EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
> *Subject: *RE: [PSES] Safety requirements in US
>
>
>
> Hello Scott,
>
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> The CPSC list you provided
2016 at 3:47 AM
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And, by the way, don't forget the Department of Energy regulates External Power
Supplies. The whole Level VI thing.
On Jul 26, 2016 10:38 AM, "Ted Eckert"
<07cf6ebeab9d-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org> wrote:
one state to the other?
Regards,
Scott
From: Ted Eckert
Date: Wednesday, 27 July 2016 at 1:22 AM
To: Raymond Li , "EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG"
Subject: RE: [PSES] Safety requirements in US
Hello Scott,
The CPSC list you provided a link to covers mandator
employer.
>
>
>
> *From:* Scott Xe [mailto:scott...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 26, 2016 10:09 AM
> *To:* Ted Eckert ; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
> *Subject:* Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US
>
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>
> Hi Ted,
>
>
>
> Appreciate your detaile
26, 2016 10:09 AM
To: Ted Eckert ; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US
Hi Ted,
Appreciate your detailed explanation that is very useful for me! OSHA
requirements are primarily on the use of equipment at work.
For consumer or household products, they are
Monday, July 25, 2016 9:42 AM
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Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US
Hi John,
What is exact meaning of NRTL approved? Is it a sample for type examination
against applicable safety standard without production audits?
What are the differences betwee
” first. J
John E Allen
W.London, UK
From: Scott Douglas [mailto:sdouglas...@gmail.com]
Sent: 26 July 2016 03:59
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US
And not to confuse the issue even more, but then there is the N.E.S.C. -
National Electrical Safety Code (or
W.London, UK
From: Scott Douglas [mailto:sdouglas...@gmail.com]
Sent: 26 July 2016 03:59
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Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US
And not to confuse the issue even more, but then there is the N.E.S.C. -
National Electrical Safety Code (or nowadays ANSI
From: Scott DouglasSent: Monday, July 25, 2016 8:59 PMTo: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORGReply To: Scott DouglasSubject: Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US
And not to confuse the issue even more, but then th
rganizing change as their statue scopes only workplace safety.
Brian
*From:* msherma...@comcast.net
*Sent:* Monday, July 25, 2016 6:02 PM
*To:* Brian O'Connell; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
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lace safety.
Brian
From: msherma...@comcast.net
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 6:02 PM
To: Brian O'Connell; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
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NEC is specifically NFPA 70, otherwise known as the National Electrical Code.
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By 'NEC&quo
more NFPA elements in the scope
statements. So the references are intended to be circular.
Brian
From: Richard Nute
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 2:15:11 PM
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"Each NRTL has
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Hello all,
I believe labeling/ listing first came into place as a response from insurance
companies needing concise requirements defining fire hazards.
Underwriters Laboratory did not come from a group of VC's that thought it was a
cool name.
25, 2016 1:40 PM
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Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US
Hello all,
I believe labeling/ listing first came into place as a response from insurance
companies needing concise requirements defining fire hazards.
Underwriters Laboratory did not come from a
age may vary.
From: Scott Xe [mailto:scott...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 9:42 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US
Hi John,
What is exact meaning of NRTL approved? Is it a sample for type examination
against applicable safety standard withou
“Each NRTL has a scope of test standards that they are recognized for…”
https://www.osha.gov/dts/otpca/nrtl/
NRTL certification for OSHA purposes is limited to its scope of test standards.
Check out your favorite NRTL for its OSHA test standards.
We don’t yet know whether the NEC is l
wly and
> then get back to work.
>
> Ted Eckert
> Microsoft Corporation
>
> The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my
> employer.
>
> From: Pete Perkins [mailto:00000061f3f32d0c-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org]
> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 1:0
: [PSES] Safety requirements in US
John, et al,
The WEB definition of NRTL is quite narrow. As we explained
earlier, Labeling/Listing by a NRTL approved lab is an NEC concept which is
administered by OSHA.
The placement of this responsibility came upon OSHA not by legislation but by
[mailto:jmw1...@btinternet.com]
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 11:53 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US
>From the WEB: NRTL Nationally Recognized Testing Laboratories, or NRTLs, are
>third party organizations recognized by the Occupationa
out - http://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/symposium/index.html.
Be Safe!
John
From: Pete Perkins <0061f3f32d0c-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org>
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 12:47 PM
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Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US
5:42 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US
Hi John,
What is exact meaning of NRTL approved? Is it a sample for type examination
against applicable safety standard without production audits?
What are the differences between A2LA and NRTL?
From: "
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From: Scott Xe [mailto:scott...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 9:52 AM
To: Pete Perkins ; 'Scott Xe' ;
EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US
Hi Peter,
Yes,
o:scott...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 10:31 PM
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Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US
Thanks for all your responses!
What is the best practice for the suppliers/importers to demonstrate the
compliance with relevant requirements?
Scott
Fr
2016 at 10:14 PM
To:
Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US
Some states have legal requirements for electrical products to be NRTL approved
From: Richard Nute [mailto:ri...@ieee.org]
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2016 8:26 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
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rom: Scott Xe [mailto:scott...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 10:31 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US
Thanks for all your responses!
What is the best practice for the suppliers/importers to demonstrate the
compliance with relevant requiremen
Some states have legal requirements for electrical products to be NRTL approved
From: Richard Nute [mailto:ri...@ieee.org]
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2016 8:26 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US
Hi Scott:
For consumer and household products, compliance
OSHA has an exception for custom machinery that is self-certified by the
manufacturer.
-Dave
From: Kevin Robinson [mailto:kevinrobinso...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2016 9:16 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US
Scott,
>>> What about
What is the best practice for the suppliers/importers to demonstrate the
compliance with relevant requirements?
NRTL certified.
Rich
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Hi Scott:
For consumer and household products, compliance with CPSC requirements is
required.
No. Only products considered “substantial product hazards” such as hair dryers
need comply with CPSC requirements. However, any consumer product that injures
someone is subject to CPSC reca
bout OSHA? Is it applicable too
> or to certain product categories only?
>
>
>
> Scott
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> *From: *Richard Nute
> *Reply-To: *
> *Date: *Sunday, 24 July 2016 at 4:02 AM
> *To: *Raymond Li ,
> *Subject: *RE: [PSES] Safety requ
Thanks for all your responses!
What is the best practice for the suppliers/importers to demonstrate the
compliance with relevant requirements?
Scott
From: Ron Wellman
Reply-To: Ron Wellman
Date: Sunday, 24 July 2016 at 12:14 AM
To:
Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US
: Raymond Li ,
Subject: RE: [PSES] Safety requirements in US
Within EU, most of electrical products are covered by LVD and GPSD. In US,
which body, law and standards are responsible for the similar regulatory?
In the USA, we have a number of entities that oversee electrical safety
Within EU, most of electrical products are covered by LVD and GPSD. In US,
which body, law and standards are responsible for the similar regulatory?
In the USA, we have a number of entities that oversee electrical safety:
AHJ, enforcing the local (state, county, or city) electrical cod
: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US
Ultimately, everything goes up to the Code of Federal Regulations, CFR. These
are the law of the land. You can find the regulations that both OSHA and CPSC
follow there. In turn, each state has their own set of laws, for
ct: RE: [PSES] Safety requirements in US
Anything with a laser in it is also governed by FDA regs. I think the
objective is to make it so confusing that no-one can figure it out completely
and the lawyers will always have something to do.
-Dave
From: Doug Powell [mailto:doug...@gma
From: Nyffenegger, DaveSent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 8:32 AMTo: Doug Powell; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORGSubject: RE: [PSES] Safety requirements in US
Anything with a laser
: Kevin RobinsonSent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 2:47 AMTo: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORGReply To: Kevin RobinsonSubject: Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US
Scott, In the US, the regulations rounds on the type of
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Within EU, most of electrical products are covered by LVD and GPSD. In US,
which body, law and standards are responsible for the similar
Within EU, most of electrical products are covered by LVD and GPSD. In US,
which body, law and standards are responsible for the similar regulatory?
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