Re: [PSES] Temp rise measurement

2017-12-20 Thread John Woodgate
To detect shorted turns, measure the input current. It will be much larger if there are shorted turns. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2017-12-20 14:18, Scott Xe wrote: Thanks for all helpful replies!  I will look into the

Re: [PSES] CI Software Flicker/Harmonics

2017-12-20 Thread John Woodgate
I will ask someone who might know.  It's not a good scenario. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2017-12-20 21:13, Kunde, Brian wrote: It will be difficult for me to ask what I want without insulting California Instru

Re: [PSES] CI Software Flicker/Harmonics

2017-12-20 Thread John Woodgate
time. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2017-12-20 21:13, Kunde, Brian wrote: It will be difficult for me to ask what I want without insulting California Instruments (Emetek), so I apologize in advance if I fail. For those of

Re: [PSES] CI Software Flicker/Harmonics

2017-12-20 Thread John Woodgate
Watch out! We'll get someone from Yorkshire saying that they still have to use QDOS. :-) John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2017-12-20 21:23, James Pawson (U3C) wrote: Full sympathies. Currently Win98 here! James

Re: [PSES] CI Software Flicker/Harmonics

2017-12-21 Thread John Woodgate
California Instruments / Teseq measurement unit. I attach a couple documents with screen shots and a sample test report. // //The software for the new product is supported / owned / copy righted by CNS Inc./ John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh

Re: [PSES] CI Software Flicker/Harmonics

2017-12-21 Thread John Woodgate
Sorry, I forgot about the attachments. I think the best way to go is for anyone who wants them to ask Mathieu by email. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2017-12-21 16:08, John Woodgate wrote: I asked Mathieu van den Bergh

Re: [PSES] CI Software Flicker/Harmonics

2017-12-21 Thread John Woodgate
I recommend that you discuss these issues with Mathieu direct. FYI, he is one of those who is continually commuting around the world, so you might have to wait a few days for a reply. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2017-12

Re: [PSES] IEC 60601-1-2: 2014 Basic Safety and Essential Performance Pass/Fail Criteria

2017-12-30 Thread John Woodgate
Looks good to me. Too often this sort of thing is not well documented, but here is a welcome exception. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2017-12-30 16:26, Bart De Geeter wrote: Hello David, I would refer to the following

[PSES] OJ list of standards under the EMC Directive

2018-01-03 Thread John Woodgate
HNY to all. I am having trouble finding the latest OJ list. I keep being directed to pages that no longer exist. Can anyone please help? -- John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK

Re: [PSES] AW: [PSES] OJ list of standards under the EMC Directive

2018-01-03 Thread John Woodgate
Thank you very much. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-01-03 10:38, Dürrer Bernd wrote: Hi John, try http://ec.europa.eu/growth/single-market/european-standards/harmonised-standards/ and for EMC https://ec.europa.eu

Re: [PSES] F 155 enamel wire

2018-01-03 Thread John Woodgate
Plenty of information found by a Google search. For example: www.synflex.com/en/produkte_pdf/?id=5&areaid=wickeldraehte John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-01-03 15:33, Scott Xe wrote: What are the maximum temperature

Re: [PSES] ESD question

2018-01-07 Thread John Woodgate
Philosophical issue there. If the field is really static, what changed to cause the spark to happen when it did, rather than at some other time? (A cosmic ray would breach the stasis.) John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018

Re: [PSES] ESD question

2018-01-07 Thread John Woodgate
 If the charge is still building up, the field is not static in the region close to whatever the charge is building up on. Just a philosophical point. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-01-07 14:28, Ken Javor wrote: Re

Re: [PSES] ESD question

2018-01-07 Thread John Woodgate
Agreed. Not very static. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-01-07 15:15, Ken Javor wrote: Re: [PSES] ESD question If the charge were truly static, and the charged surface topology were truly static, then things should

Re: [PSES] Correlation between Radiated Fields and Induced currents

2018-01-11 Thread John Woodgate
IEC 61000-4-6 might be of some help. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-01-11 13:23, John Mcauley wrote: Hi All I am trying to correlate the conducted levels induced on telecommunication cables, e.g. unscreened twisted

Re: [PSES] Correlation between Radiated Fields and Induced currents

2018-01-11 Thread John Woodgate
I looked at the published 1996 First Edition, but there is nothing there. The long Note in the Scope clause was there, not surprisingly. Of course the assumption is just that - an assumption, open to challenge but necessary in order to achieve a useful result. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions

Re: [PSES] Automatic measurement with Class 2 laser

2018-01-21 Thread John Woodgate
'look' = 10 s, ''stare' = 30 s.  A 'look' may be long enough to cause permanent damage. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-01-21 20:48, Charlie Blackham wrote: All Class 2 lasers are r

Re: [PSES] EN60825-1 Date of Withdrawal

2018-01-25 Thread John Woodgate
As far as I can see, these delayed updates may be made at any time, with no notice, so it would be prudent to assume that it will happen next week, and consider the consequences. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-01-25

Re: [PSES] Measurement dilema

2018-01-27 Thread John Woodgate
It's probably another case of the 80/20 rule. Even with peer-reviewed papers, the long-term opinion may be that 20% at most were of value. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-01-27 19:27, Douglas Smith wrote: Great

Re: [PSES] IEC 62368-1, 3rd edition Final Draft International Std

2018-01-30 Thread John Woodgate
From the public part of the IEC web site, the FDIS is still at editing check, so hasn't been circulated yet. To find Previews, go to www.iec.ch and open Webstore. There is a list of available pre-releases (PRV documents). John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Assoc

Re: [PSES] GFCI vs GFPE

2018-01-30 Thread John Woodgate
some protection against electric shock, although the latter is compromised so as to prevent nuisance-tripping, which would occur if the trip were set at say 5 mA to give much better protection. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On

Re: [PSES] GFCI vs GFPE

2018-01-30 Thread John Woodgate
We have an expert on electric shock here, so I won't go further than to say that the effect of 30 mA depends very much on how much contact area there is, where it is and for how long contact lasts. I am surprised that 6 mA doesn't result in nuisance tripping. John Woodgate OOO-Ow

Re: [PSES] GFCI vs GFPE

2018-01-31 Thread John Woodgate
You can rely on the recent post in this thread by Pete Perkins. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-01-31 15:52, Kunde, Brian wrote: Thanks for the input everyone. I know that GFCI protectors in North America will trip

Re: [PSES] GFCI vs GFPE

2018-01-31 Thread John Woodgate
-sockets to include RCDs, and an RCD at the distribution panel. I don't know of any requirement in any British Standard for an RCD inside load equipment. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-01-31 17:06, Kunde, Brian

Re: [PSES] GFCI vs GFPE discussion

2018-01-31 Thread John Woodgate
Pete Perkins IS the expert. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-01-31 18:02, Ralph McDiarmid wrote: “current limit of 30mA protects 95 % of the population” They didn’t want to try for 100% ? I'm no expert and I

Re: [PSES] GFCI vs GFPE

2018-01-31 Thread John Woodgate
ety requirements for products are in product safety standards. In Europe, a cut-off saw is a 'machine', so the Machinery Directive applies. This influences which safety standard is permitted to be applied to the product. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.

Re: [PSES] GFCI vs GFPE

2018-01-31 Thread John Woodgate
and garden machinery - Safety - Part 3-1: Particular requirements for transportable table saws John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-01-31 18:57, John Woodgate wrote: IEC 62841 is a multi-part standard with 23 documents. But it&#

Re: [PSES] GFCI vs GFPE

2018-01-31 Thread John Woodgate
It must mean that the tool can be moved about because it is not attached to the building. From the IEV (not an infallible source):  IEV ref        151-16-45         transportable, adj         capable of being moved from one location to another, generally by using vehicles John Woodgate OOO

Re: [PSES] GFCI vs GFPE

2018-01-31 Thread John Woodgate
There is a motor and a blade, which both move and are linked. In a cut-off saw, If I have the term right, the whole motor and blade housing swings on a pivot at the back of the baseplate. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On

Re: [PSES] Fwd: [PSES] GFCI vs GFPE

2018-01-31 Thread John Woodgate
Another case of the IEV having a different definition from that used in the industry! John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-02-01 02:10, Mike Sherman wrote: A copy of what I inadvertently only sent to Brian earlier

[PSES] Doug Smith's second teaser

2018-02-08 Thread John Woodgate
I didn't see an explanation from Doug about the open-ended shield of a balanced twisted pair being OK. Did I miss it or is the solution still awaited? -- John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Ess

Re: [PSES] Insulation resistance test

2018-02-19 Thread John Woodgate
willing to take action. Tradition, you know. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-02-19 05:45, Scott Xe wrote: Insulation resistance test is one of most common safety tests nowadays: Flash test, earth continuity test, leaka

Re: [PSES] Insulation resistance test

2018-02-19 Thread John Woodgate
1.8 megohm insulation resistance passes 1.67 mA at 3 kV. As I said, it would be most unusual for a non-faulty modern product to show an insulation resistance as low as 1.8 megohms (if discharge resistors are disconnected). John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates

Re: [PSES] Insulation resistance test

2018-02-19 Thread John Woodgate
were often not taken into account in design, leading to surface tracking followed by smoke and flame. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-02-19 10:02, ce-test, qualified testing bv, Gert Gremmen wrote: As far as I

Re: [PSES] Insulation resistance test

2018-02-19 Thread John Woodgate
Hello, Rich. This puzzles me: Or, it can fail the insulation resistance measurement yet pass the dielectric strength measurement. how can that happen? John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-02-19 21:53, Richard Nute wrote

Re: [PSES] Insulation resistance test

2018-02-20 Thread John Woodgate
Yes, it would be possible in that case, but IR limits are mostly set (incorrectly now) to 1 megohm or 2 megohms. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-02-20 00:24, Richard Nute wrote: Hi John: Depends on what limits are

Re: [PSES] light flicker

2018-03-02 Thread John Woodgate
Although I expect TC62 will do its own thing re IEC 60601, IEC SC77AWG2 is also studying new flicker phenomena. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-03-02 19:31, Brian O'Connell wrote: Good People, Thanks to the h

Re: [PSES] light flicker

2018-03-02 Thread John Woodgate
A Swede, perhaps. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-03-02 19:50, Jim Hulbert wrote: Did you get replies from other than humans? Jim Hulbert -Original Message- From: Brian O'Connell [mailto:o

Re: [PSES] Field probe calibration

2018-03-05 Thread John Woodgate
+/- 20% doesn't seem to be enough to explain the reported result. After all, assuming the +/- 20% is off the spectrum analyser, 1.2 is +1.6 dB and 0.8 is -1.9 dB. These are small, but not negligible. If the +/-20% relates to power, they are even smaller in dB, of course. John Woodgate OO

Re: [PSES] Field probe calibration

2018-03-05 Thread John Woodgate
See below. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-03-05 18:10, Patrick wrote: Well, some of us have to consider other requirements, not just EN's. What if the test is -461, or DO-160 ? And what if the requirement is 20

Re: [PSES] Field probe calibration

2018-03-05 Thread John Woodgate
ection in some places but less in others. You can get a rough idea by looking at one of those pictures of the field of a bar magnet disclosed by iron filings. Relatively well-behaved to the East and West, but spiky in the extreme close to the poles. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate

Re: [PSES] IEC60950-1 Limited Power Source via IC current limiter

2018-03-05 Thread John Woodgate
it would be up to a regulatory authority to challenge that. It seems unlikely that UL 2367 would be deficient, since this is a precaution against fire, which is a major concern of UL, of course. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK

Re: [PSES] IEC/EN 62368-1

2018-03-06 Thread John Woodgate
can rarely have too much documented justification. The specific answers: 1. Yes. 2. Yes, add them, providing it is documented that the non-conforming labels are not contradictory or confusing. Can you superimpose the correct labels? John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates

Re: [PSES] Field probe calibration

2018-03-07 Thread John Woodgate
in CISPR 16-1 are 'hands-off' because of this, even though some are very vintage indeed. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-03-07 14:52, Patrick wrote: Hello Ed - Great story- thanks for sharing! Just last yea

Re: [PSES] IEC60950-1 Limited Power Source via IC current limiter

2018-03-08 Thread John Woodgate
Probably some fail-safe, some reliable. I think that this is why 'safety' involves risk-assessment, not just meeting standards. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-03-08 21:41, Richard Nute wrote: In my ear

Re: [PSES] insulation between SELV and protective earthed accessible part- IEC 62052-31

2018-03-13 Thread John Woodgate
hance of power-cross is larger and it will remain *undetected* until someone touches both the SELV and earth. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-03-13 19:13, Richard Nute wrote: Dear Mr. Vyas: I suggest you review the defin

Re: [PSES] insulation between SELV and protective earthed accessible part- IEC 62052-31

2018-03-13 Thread John Woodgate
I suspect that the SELV circuits of an electricity meter never leave the enclosure, so SELV is OK, but PELV would still be equally safe or better, even if a very low probability open-circuit earth occurred. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk

Re: [PSES] insulation between SELV and protective earthed accessible part- IEC 62052-31

2018-03-14 Thread John Woodgate
See below. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-03-13 19:57, John Woodgate wrote: I suspect that the SELV circuits of an electricity meter never leave the enclosure, so SELV is OK, but PELV would still be equally safe or

Re: [PSES] FW: HBES/BACS Standards in the OJ

2018-03-14 Thread John Woodgate
) but that is probably a rare case. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-03-14 22:28, Kevin McCandless wrote: Hello Experts, I didn’t see my first request show up in my inbox. So I’m trying again… A customer in Turkey has s

Re: [PSES] FW: HBES/BACS Standards in the OJ

2018-03-15 Thread John Woodgate
The new series, 63044, are based on the corresponding IEC standards, as you can see by the leading '6'. The older series, 50491, are home-grown (in Europe) CENELEC standards, as you can see by the leading '5'. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associ

Re: [PSES] IEC 62368-1 3ed, Final Draft International Standard (FDIS)

2018-03-18 Thread John Woodgate
extensive and to detailed to recount.  And 'major' is a dangerous word. A big change might not affect your product but a small change could put it off the market until it's fixed. 3. Yes, after a lot of  headless chicken, it is. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J

Re: [PSES] IEC 62368-1 3ed, Final Draft International Standard (FDIS)

2018-03-18 Thread John Woodgate
If ntueeestud...@yahoo.com is a genuine student, some NCs will look more favourably on a request, especially if supported by a tutor. But not all do. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-03-18 19:59, Ghery Pettit wrote

Re: [PSES] IEC 62368-1 3ed, Final Draft International Standard (FDIS)

2018-03-19 Thread John Woodgate
duced new ways that non-members of committees can see and comment on documents. See the web sites for details. This may require a lot of 'burrowing'. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-03-19 14:51, Robert Jo

Re: [PSES] EMC tests called up in Safety standards

2018-03-20 Thread John Woodgate
IEC 60335-1. So it is perhaps not unreasonable to put immunity requirements into that publication if they are not in CISPR 14-2. But if they are not in CISPR 14-2, why aren't they? John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-03-

Re: [PSES] EMC tests called up in Safety standards

2018-03-21 Thread John Woodgate
If I remember correctly, the text in 60335 was prompted by an incident in Denmark where a toaster incorrectly switched on due to EMI. Since the work was done under pressure, it might not have been done in the most appropriate way, but the end-result is as intended. John Woodgate OOO-Own

Re: [PSES] Time-limits for transposition into national law

2018-03-24 Thread John Woodgate
authorities in one or more MS that have incorporated the Directive. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-03-24 14:08, Scott Xe wrote: Before the effective date of an EU Directive such as LVD, the member state must transpose

Re: [PSES] Time-limits for transposition into national law

2018-03-25 Thread John Woodgate
In the UK, many Government publications are available in English, Welsh, Scots Gaelic, Arabic, Hindi and Urdu, occasional others, such as Polish.  So far, few are available, I think, in Manx, Cornish and British Romany, but that could change. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate

Re: [PSES] Looking for writer for EMC Filters

2018-03-26 Thread John Woodgate
construction than electronics. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-03-26 15:45, Ken Wyatt wrote: Hi All, I’m still looking for a writer that is well-versed in EMC filter design that can produce a white paper for ITEM Media (paid gig

Re: [PSES] BS EN 62493:2015 Assessment of lighting equipment related to human exposure to electromagnetic fields

2018-03-29 Thread John Woodgate
You are likely to find the IEC Technical Report TR 62493-1 helpful.  Do you know how to use the IEC Webstore to find out about IEC publications? John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-03-29 15:27, McCallum, Andy wrote

Re: [PSES] COTS system compliance

2018-03-30 Thread John Woodgate
any more safety testing. If anything included uses 'wireless' (that magnetic induction or radio-frequency, but not infra-red) the RED applies to that product only. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-03-30 18:27, Chest

Re: [PSES] COTS system compliance

2018-04-03 Thread John Woodgate
om LEDs, but no specific requirements for IR interfaces. EN 55032 and EN 55035 apply in Europe and CISPR 32 and CISPR 35 in other countries. Again, the EN and the CISPR standards are not exactly the same. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleig

Re: [PSES] Need a switch

2018-04-03 Thread John Woodgate
I once had a DPDT knife switch with ceramic base and insulators. Rather big, though. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-04-04 04:01, Richard Nute wrote: Need a switch Hi Ken: I interpret your requirement as DPDT, with 3

Re: [PSES] EU Harmonized RF Exposure Standards per RED for 13.56 MHz RFID

2018-04-04 Thread John Woodgate
. You can find details of these standards from the public parts of the CENELEC (TC106X) web site and IEC (TC106) web site. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-04-04 13:38, Grace Lin wrote: Dear Members, Is there any

Re: [PSES] EU Harmonized RF Exposure Standards per RED for 13.56 MHz RFID

2018-04-04 Thread John Woodgate
workers to the risks arising from physical agents (electromagnetic fields) (20th individual Directive within the meaning of Article 16(1) of Directive 89/391/EEC) and repealing Directive 2004/40/EC John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK

Re: [PSES] EU Harmonized RF Exposure Standards per RED for 13.56 MHz RFID

2018-04-04 Thread John Woodgate
ctive. The involvement of the RED is ONLY Article 3 1 (a), which applies the LVD without its  low-voltage limit. Nothing else of the RED is relevant. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-04-04 14:51, Michael Derby wrote: John, I

Re: [PSES] [BULK] Re: [PSES] Need a switch

2018-04-04 Thread John Woodgate
  two arcuate strips of (preferably) phosphor-bronze, to make contact with two pairs of adjacent studs. A 90 degree rotation changes the connections as you want. Supporting structure for the spindle and square left to your ingenuity. You might be able to make it a bit smaller than I suggest. John

Re: [PSES] EU Harmonized RF Exposure Standards per RED for 13.56 MHz RFID

2018-04-04 Thread John Woodgate
Yes, well, it's typical obscurantist wording. The LVD DOES apply, but without its low-voltage limit. That is what Article 3 1 (a) says, quite explicitly. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-04-04 16:33, Charlie Bla

Re: [PSES] EU Harmonized RF Exposure Standards per RED for 13.56 MHz RFID

2018-04-04 Thread John Woodgate
OK, the LVD does not apply, but all its provisions apply. Is that pernickety enough? John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-04-04 16:57, Gert Gremmen; ce-test wrote: The LVD does NOT apply. For elektrical safety and EMC the

Re: [PSES] New Guide to the EMC Directive

2018-04-04 Thread John Woodgate
siderations, but a Guide should be in the plainest language possible, not be cryptic. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-04-04 21:05, Michael Derby wrote: Hello Matthew, Yes, I think you’re right that they mean broadcast ‘

Re: [PSES] [SPAM] Re: [PSES] EU Harmonized RF Exposure Standards per RED for 13.56 MHz RFID

2018-04-04 Thread John Woodgate
eryone knows that the rest of the sentence is true, whether one is exposed to EMF or not. Alternatively, you can believe that the relevant IEEE and ICNIRP research reports are all falsehoods. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK O

Re: [PSES] LVD or other EU directive for testing adaptor

2018-04-05 Thread John Woodgate
there is no more appropriate Directive.. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-04-05 07:43, Seyff Peter wrote: Colleagues! We are producing termials for luminaires. Therefore we also provide a test adapter for our customers.

Re: [PSES] [SPAM?] Re: [PSES] EU Harmonized RF Exposure Standards per RED for 13.56 MHz RFID

2018-04-05 Thread John Woodgate
ICNIRP can be investigated at: https://www.icnirp.org/en/about-icnirp/funding-governance/index.html It should be noted that IEEE concluded that recommended limits higher than those of ICNIRP are acceptable. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh

Re: [PSES] New Guide to the EMC Directive

2018-04-06 Thread John Woodgate
Native English speakers are involved, also costly language consultants. There is no excuse for bad wording but it's tolerated too much. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-04-06 08:30, Michael Derby wrote: Typicall

Re: [PSES] [SPAM?] Re: [PSES] EU Harmonized RF Exposure Standards per RED for 13.56 MHz RFID

2018-04-06 Thread John Woodgate
It may also be significant that the Council of Europe disbanded the committee that produced that resolution. Post hoc is not necessarily propter hoc, but on the other hand, it often is. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018

Re: [PSES] Power Integrity Question

2018-04-07 Thread John Woodgate
PSRR - none at all. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-04-07 17:41, Ken Javor wrote: Power Integrity Question There are many learned books/papers/discussions on how to achieve proper power integrity by way of proper P

Re: [PSES] Power Integrity Question

2018-04-08 Thread John Woodgate
A specific target would typically be 'less than 1/3 of the value known to just provoke trouble'. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-04-08 04:25, Ken Javor wrote: Re: [PSES] Power Integrity Question If the ans

Re: [PSES] Power Integrity Question

2018-04-09 Thread John Woodgate
e the pass-band, it is an antenna connected to a diode. And yes, it can pick up power rail noise. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-04-09 04:27, Doug Smith wrote: Hi Ken and the group, Many analog circuits, as well as the an

Re: [PSES] Power Integrity Question

2018-04-09 Thread John Woodgate
That should be warned about in the data sheet. Internal EMC problems tend to be rare, which is good, but because they are rare, there should be warnings if they can occur. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-04-09 13:19

Re: [PSES] Medical device risk assessment - faulty chargers

2018-04-10 Thread John Woodgate
There is obviously no unique answer. You can: - not use USB and provide a charger with a unique connector (my choice); - use USB, but put full overvoltage and overcurrent protection in your product; - rely on warning notices (not recommended!) John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M

Re: [PSES] Medical device risk assessment - faulty chargers

2018-04-16 Thread John Woodgate
dily; how do you test *objectively* the adequacy of a symbol like the ! in a triangle, meaning, well, I think it has had more than one meaning over the years? I do wish there was a way of eliminating it, but I don't see one. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates w

Re: [PSES] Medical device risk assessment - faulty chargers

2018-04-17 Thread John Woodgate
Thanks for the explanations. However, I still think that at some point risk assessment is inevitable. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-04-17 00:22, Richard Nute wrote: … how do you test *objectively* the adequacy of a

Re: [PSES] Medical device risk assessment - faulty chargers

2018-04-17 Thread John Woodgate
hange. Do we rename the list 'IEEE Philosophical Society'?(;-) John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-04-17 20:24, Nick Williams wrote: In the medical device context, no this is not correct because the failure of t

Re: [PSES] Using a TDR for Shielding Effectiveness measurements

2018-04-19 Thread John Woodgate
IEC 60512-23-3 might be of interest, but I don't have a copy. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-04-19 16:23, Grasso, Charles wrote: Hello all, In lieu of using shielded chambers/spectrum analyzers and such, has a

Re: [PSES] Using a TDR for Shielding Effectiveness measurements

2018-04-20 Thread John Woodgate
Go to: http://www.iec.ch/dyn/www/f?p=103:22:0FSP_ORG_ID:1247 and look for publications in the 62153 series. There are several. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-04-20 16:05, Grasso, Charles wrote: Re: [PSES] Using a

Re: [PSES] IEC 60601-1-2: 2014 4th Edition

2018-04-22 Thread John Woodgate
It depends on the opinion of the regulatory authority in the country of sale. In Europe(applying the EN versions), it is the manufacturer's responsibility to justify and document the decision on partial testing, John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjo

Re: [PSES] EN 55032 Testing on Wired Network Port

2018-04-24 Thread John Woodgate
 Do you even need to justify not testing,if it doesn't produces troublesome emissions? The only justification I can see might be that it is used only for periods of a few minutes a few times a year. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh,

Re: [PSES] EN 55032 Testing on Wired Network Port

2018-04-24 Thread John Woodgate
By 'troublesome' I meant 'emissions over, or too close to, the limit, that can't be easily reduced.' If the emissions are low enough or can be made so, why bother to ask about need to test? John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.

Re: [PSES] Mains Conducted rf emissions measurements

2018-04-26 Thread John Woodgate
You might ask the manufacturer of the LISN. Maybe it's faulty. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-04-26 11:32, McBurney, Ian wrote: Dear Colleagues. I am setting up a mains conducted rf emissions measuring system a

Re: [PSES] Mains Conducted rf emissions measurements

2018-04-26 Thread John Woodgate
It's rather unusual; what have you got in the factory that might be causing it? Can you try powering the LISN from a spur taken directly from the main breaker box, with nothing else connected to the spur? John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Ray

Re: [PSES] Mains Conducted rf emissions measurements

2018-04-26 Thread John Woodgate
If so, have you got a bigelectronic motor drive (VSD?) nearby? They /should/ be assessed, at leas for conducted emissions, after installation, but John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-04-26 15:24, McBurney, Ian wrote

Re: [PSES] Mains Conducted rf emissions measurements

2018-04-26 Thread John Woodgate
Very good advice. Actually, there are grounds (!) for using a balanced filter, i.e. inductors in both L and N. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-04-26 19:20, Edward Price wrote: *Ian:* ** *It sounds like the low-pass

Re: [PSES] EN 55032 Testing on Wired Network Port

2018-04-27 Thread John Woodgate
ndicates in itself a need to fully test. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-04-27 11:45, Matthew Wilson wrote: You ask for opinions so I’ll give mine, based on the device needing to meet the EU EMC directive as you me

Re: [PSES] Environmental testing

2018-05-02 Thread John Woodgate
#x27; from the drop-down menu. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-05-03 04:53, Amund Westin wrote: ETSI have published the EN 300 019-series which describes environmental tests (climate, vibration, etc.) for telecom e

Re: [PSES] Product Safety Testing and Evaluation training.

2018-05-04 Thread John Woodgate
Let us know if you find any. The last time I looked, I didn't find. Not like EMC training, which is widely available. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-05-04 18:00, Kevin J Harris wrote: Hello I am lo

Re: [PSES] Product Safety Testing and Evaluation training.

2018-05-04 Thread John Woodgate
ination of top, bottom and side openings for fire enclosures; – alternative requirements for sound pressure. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-05-04 18:53, Charlie Blackham wrote: Kevin UL run a two day course on 6236

Re: [PSES] Product Safety Testing and Evaluation training.

2018-05-04 Thread John Woodgate
et to the advanced tests. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-05-04 19:24, Brian O'Connell wrote: The annual PSES and EMC symposiums are the premier venues for compliance engineering. That said, the PSES symposium sessions

Re: [PSES] Product Safety Testing and Evaluation training.

2018-05-04 Thread John Woodgate
hours, and even over two days, that's exhausting. It is much better to contribute by correspondence (email). John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-05-04 19:56, Bender, Curtis wrote: A good training method is to join a

Re: [PSES] Product Safety Testing and Evaluation training.

2018-05-04 Thread John Woodgate
otherwise it would never hope to finish its agenda. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-05-04 21:35, Richard Nute wrote: /In general, you are right, but IEC TC108 and its Hazard-Based Standard Development Team, responsible

Re: [PSES] Product Safety Testing and Evaluation training.

2018-05-10 Thread John Woodgate
It's not aEuropean committee, it's an IEC committee, and that's 85 countries, see http://www.iec.ch/dyn/www/f?p=103:5:0##ref=menu When it comes to safety, almost every country that has a functioning national standards body wants to take part in the IEC work. John Woodgate O

Re: [PSES] Recreational Craft Directive and EMC

2018-05-14 Thread John Woodgate
It depends on what the product does. if it is a 'consumer' type product, you are right. If it's concerned with communication (including emergency communication) or navigation, then special standards apply, especially if the product is a fixture in the boat. John Woodgate OOO-Ow

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