Re: [Emc-users] absolute analog output signal 0 - 10 V

2009-01-09 Thread Tom
Stephen & John, I should have mentioned that it was me who was going to get the wording right all along ;-) John, thanks for your attention to helping me (or us) understand the new "net" command. I only recently started using it, and it works just as outlined here: http://www.linuxcnc.org/docview

Re: [Emc-users] Simple 3 phase drive

2009-01-09 Thread Peter C. Wallace
On Fri, 9 Jan 2009, Jon Elson wrote: > Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 21:04:17 -0600 > From: Jon Elson > Reply-To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" > > To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Simple 3 phase drive > > Peter C. Wallace wrote: >> >> >> Permanent magnet s

Re: [Emc-users] POSTing Test

2009-01-09 Thread Dave Engvall
Mac with Mail ... on Tiger (10.4). All of my emc mail is done on the mac (mini). Dave On Jan 9, 2009, at 2:21 PM, William Baden wrote: > > Those last two were on an XP machine. > > The problem posts was on a MAC with Safari. > > This reply is now on Ubuntu with Firefox. > > We will see what this

Re: [Emc-users] Simple 3 phase drive

2009-01-09 Thread Jon Elson
Peter C. Wallace wrote: > > > Permanent magnet servo motor. Its possible to get very good performance > without a current loop at least for small motors, you may need to add a phase > lead feed forward term for very high drive speeds. Of course it is closed > loop > in the sense that drive volt

Re: [Emc-users] Simple 3 phase drive

2009-01-09 Thread Jon Elson
John Kasunich wrote: > Is this for a permanent magnet AC servomotor, or just an induction > motor? It seems like for a servomotor you'd need a current loop, which > implies current feedback, which implies A/D converters. Or is it > possible to get decent performance from such a motor with an o

Re: [Emc-users] 5i20/7i43 Pico's PWM Amps

2009-01-09 Thread Jon Elson
Roger wrote: > Is anyone using Jon's (Pico Systems) PWM servo amps with the Mesa 5i20 or > 7i43? > If so could you please post your ini files to postbin.com . I'm interested in > converting from Mach3 Gecko's to EMC PWM and would like to see a working > configuration. > Well, of course, you cou

Re: [Emc-users] 5i20-error

2009-01-09 Thread Arnold Riter CNC
Alex Joni escribió: >> I have an error every time I try to use EMC >> >> Debug file information: >> insmod: error inserting >> '/usr/realtime-2.6.24-16-rtai/modules/emc2/hal_m5i20.ko': -1 Operation >> not permitted >> m5i20_motion.hal:3: exit value: 1 >> m5i20_motion.hal:3: insmod failed, returned

Re: [Emc-users] latency test results help with interpretation

2009-01-09 Thread Alex Joni
This should provide a starting point towards enlightenment: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?TweakingSoftwareStepGeneration While the numbers aren't the best out there, they are fairly decent and prove the PC can be used without issues with emc2. It depends on the max stepping speed yo

Re: [Emc-users] jogging discussion

2009-01-09 Thread Alex Joni
I usually spend my dayjob working with welding robots. On those teach pendants we have 2 button pairs for each joint to jog. It's not very seldom I wish I had more fingers on my hands.. I usually jog 3-4 of them at once (saves a lot of time). Note: on those kinds of robots you do all the programmi

[Emc-users] latency test results help with interpretation

2009-01-09 Thread Eric Parsonage
Hi All I have the following latency test results for a PIII 1Ghz coppermine based board I have. They are as follows servo thread 1ms max interval 1009707 ns servo thread 1ms max jitter 13202 ns base thread 25us max interval 43063 ns base thread 25us max jitter 20339 ns Can anybody tell me wh

Re: [Emc-users] POSTing Test

2009-01-09 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 09 January 2009, William Baden wrote: >Those last two were on an XP machine. > >The problem posts was on a MAC with Safari. > >This reply is now on Ubuntu with Firefox. > >We will see what this one looks like. > >Thanks, >Will Baden So far they have all looked ok here William, but they a

[Emc-users] jogging discussion

2009-01-09 Thread Stuart Stevenson
Gentlemen, The current jogging capability; buttons, MPG, joystick implemented in the axis mode versus the joint mode will be perfectly fine with me. The jogging functionality on all nine axes would be great but definitely needed for the 6 axes XYZABC. I see no particular need for multiaxis

Re: [Emc-users] 5i20-error

2009-01-09 Thread Alex Joni
>I have an error every time I try to use EMC > > Debug file information: > insmod: error inserting > '/usr/realtime-2.6.24-16-rtai/modules/emc2/hal_m5i20.ko': -1 Operation > not permitted > m5i20_motion.hal:3: exit value: 1 > m5i20_motion.hal:3: insmod failed, returned -1 > 7718 > > I've done no mo

Re: [Emc-users] POSTing Test

2009-01-09 Thread William Baden
Thanks for the help Steve. Will not be using the mac anymore. Unless there is a setting to adjust. I will look into it. Thanks, Will Baden > Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 17:23:38 -0500 > From: spad...@sover.net > To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] POSTing Test > > > >

Re: [Emc-users] POSTing Test

2009-01-09 Thread Stephen Wille Padnos
William Baden wrote: >Those last two were on an XP machine. > >The problem posts was on a MAC with Safari. > >This reply is now on Ubuntu with Firefox. > >We will see what this one looks like. > >Thanks, >Will Baden > > Looks OK to me. - Steve ---

Re: [Emc-users] POSTing Test

2009-01-09 Thread William Baden
Those last two were on an XP machine. The problem posts was on a MAC with Safari. This reply is now on Ubuntu with Firefox. We will see what this one looks like. Thanks, Will Baden > Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 17:15:13 -0500 > From: spad...@sover.net > To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject

[Emc-users] 5i20-error

2009-01-09 Thread Arnold Riter CNC
I have an error every time I try to use EMC Debug file information: insmod: error inserting '/usr/realtime-2.6.24-16-rtai/modules/emc2/hal_m5i20.ko': -1 Operation not permitted m5i20_motion.hal:3: exit value: 1 m5i20_motion.hal:3: insmod failed, returned -1 7718 I've done no modification no ch

Re: [Emc-users] POSTing Test

2009-01-09 Thread Stephen Wille Padnos
Your original posts (including this one) are fine. Hotmail seems to like putting "=" at the end of every line when you reply though. Here's what a few lines of the source text looks like: Thanks for the input Kent! So we do not know if it will/won't have the SMI= issue.I might just move on f

Re: [Emc-users] POSTing Test

2009-01-09 Thread William Baden
Yet another Test. Windows XP Hotmail Will Baden > From: willba...@hotmail.com > To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 21:53:16 + > Subject: [Emc-users] POSTing Test > > > Trying to find out what I am doing wrong in posting to the EMC-Users List. > > Windows XP > >

[Emc-users] POSTing Test

2009-01-09 Thread William Baden
Trying to find out what I am doing wrong in posting to the EMC-Users List. Windows XP Hotmail No questions in this post just testing why when I post there aren't returns after paragraphs. Thanks, Will Baden _ Windows Live™: Keep

Re: [Emc-users] OT: the CNCer personality

2009-01-09 Thread stustev
Sometimes - I can't get no satisfaction, but I try Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: "Kent A. Reed" Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 15:08:07 To: Subject: [Emc-users] OT: the CNCer personality Stuart Stevenson wrote: >Reminds me of a line in the movie 'HOOK' - I w

Re: [Emc-users] 5i20/7i43 Pico's PWM Amps

2009-01-09 Thread Alex Joni
>> Is anyone using Jon's (Pico Systems) PWM servo amps with the Mesa 5i20 or >> 7i43? >> If so could you please post your ini files to postbin.com . I'm >> interested in >> converting from Mach3 Gecko's to EMC PWM and would like to see a working >> configuration. >> >> Thanks, >> Roger >> > I th

Re: [Emc-users] axis and joint motion

2009-01-09 Thread Alex Joni
>> I do not know how much work remains on the implementation but I think >> there is a sound design already thought out. >> > how can I help? > what do we need? > Weeell.. that's a bit hard to answer even for me. I started working on this, but I started with sorting out all the places around emc2

Re: [Emc-users] Dell Dimension 2400

2009-01-09 Thread William Baden
Sorry, I will try to figure out what I am doing wrong. Thanks, Will Baden> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:45:48 -0500> From: gene.hesk...@gmail.com> To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Dell Dimension 2400> > On Friday 09 January 2009, William Baden wrote:> >Brian,I am curre

Re: [Emc-users] Software question

2009-01-09 Thread Chris Radek
On Fri, Jan 09, 2009 at 08:06:18PM +, paul_c wrote: > > So what do *you* consider to be the "alternatives" capable of providing > similar functionality ? This thread is more appropriate for emc-developers. This list is crazy enough lately! Please put any responses there.

[Emc-users] OT: the CNCer personality

2009-01-09 Thread Kent A. Reed
Stuart Stevenson wrote: >Reminds me of a line in the movie 'HOOK' - I want, I want, I want, > me, me, me, mine, mine, mine, now, now,now To quote Mick Jagger and the Rolling Stones: "You can't always get what you want You can't always get what you want You can't always get what you want But

Re: [Emc-users] Software question

2009-01-09 Thread paul_c
On Thursday 08 January 2009, Alex Joni wrote: > NML is the mechanism which is used for defining the dataset and > communication paths between the various userspace components. > If you look at the (slightly outdated) overview of EMC: > * there were (every couple of years) talks about replacing it

Re: [Emc-users] absolute analog output signal 0 - 10 V

2009-01-09 Thread Stephen Wille Padnos
John Kasunich wrote: >[snip] > ># scale factor converts RPM into DAC volts >setp m5i20.0.dac-03-gain [SPINDLE]DAC_SCALE >setp m5i20.0.dac-03-offset 0 >net spindle-on motion.spindle-on => m5i20.0.dac-03-enable > > Note that this example (and Toms) requires you to have a [SPINDLE] section in your

Re: [Emc-users] absolute analog output signal 0 - 10 V

2009-01-09 Thread John Kasunich
Tom wrote: > Marko Bukovinsky writes: > >> how to change this code into abosolute 0 - 10 Volt output? > ... > > Mark, > Here is the abs statement from my m5i20_io.hal file, this might help you get > the > wording right: > > loadrt abs count=2 > addf abs.0 servo-thread > net spindle-rpm-cmd mo

Re: [Emc-users] Simple 3 phase drive

2009-01-09 Thread Peter C. Wallace
On Fri, 9 Jan 2009, John Kasunich wrote: > Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 14:21:00 -0500 > From: John Kasunich > Reply-To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" > > To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Simple 3 phase drive > > Peter C. Wallace wrote: >> One of our custo

Re: [Emc-users] Simple 3 phase drive

2009-01-09 Thread John Kasunich
Peter C. Wallace wrote: > One of our customers would like to use our small LV 3 phase HBridge (7I39) to > drive a motor using EMC. I currently dont have a HostMot2 configuration that > would support this (its normally used with SoftDMC), but the hardware part is > pretty trivial, just a pinout c

[Emc-users] Simple 3 phase drive

2009-01-09 Thread Peter C. Wallace
One of our customers would like to use our small LV 3 phase HBridge (7I39) to drive a motor using EMC. I currently dont have a HostMot2 configuration that would support this (its normally used with SoftDMC), but the hardware part is pretty trivial, just a pinout change. (unless I wanted make a s

Re: [Emc-users] absolute analog output signal 0 - 10 V

2009-01-09 Thread Tom
Marko Bukovinsky writes: > how to change this code into abosolute 0 - 10 Volt output? ... Mark, Here is the abs statement from my m5i20_io.hal file, this might help you get the wording right: loadrt abs count=2 addf abs.0 servo-thread net spindle-rpm-cmd motion.spindle-speed-out newsig abs-spi

Re: [Emc-users] Dell Dimension 2400

2009-01-09 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 09 January 2009, William Baden wrote: >Brian,I am currently playing around with EMC on an old 300Mhz computer to > figure out how to use it. It is (was) being used to control a homemade > mini mill that has steppers on it. The lathe retrofit is for a machine > shop that I work for. So

Re: [Emc-users] Dell Dimension 2400

2009-01-09 Thread William Baden
Brian,I am currently playing around with EMC on an old 300Mhz computer to figure out how to use it. It is (was) being used to control a homemade mini mill that has steppers on it. The lathe retrofit is for a machine shop that I work for. So I would like to find the most reliable computer for

Re: [Emc-users] Dell Dimension 2400

2009-01-09 Thread William Baden
John,This is what concerns me about shutting SMI down:"Disabling SMI can cause some computers to overheat and may damage those computers. Intel developer documentation states that running their modern processors with SMI disabled is running their processors outside of thermal spec, just like ru

Re: [Emc-users] 5i20/7i43 Pico's PWM Amps

2009-01-09 Thread Peter C. Wallace
On Fri, 9 Jan 2009, Roger wrote: > Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 17:33:27 + (UTC) > From: Roger > Reply-To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" > > To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: [Emc-users] 5i20/7i43 Pico's PWM Amps > > Is anyone using Jon's (Pico Systems) PWM servo amps with t

Re: [Emc-users] Dell Dimension 2400

2009-01-09 Thread John Kasunich
William Baden wrote: > Thanks for the input Kent! So we do not know if it will/won't have the SMI > issue.I might just move on from 2400s Don't get fixated on the SMI issue. Unlike many latency killers, it has a straightforward fix - you just load the rtai_smi module and get on with things.

Re: [Emc-users] Dell Dimension 2400

2009-01-09 Thread BRIAN GLACKIN
If you already have the box, then just load up a copy of EMC2 and get it running. Don't fret too much about the "perfect" machine to run it on at this point. This will give you the opporutunity to get the "feel" of the software first hand. The beaty of EMC2 is that you can easily swap out the com

[Emc-users] 5i20/7i43 Pico's PWM Amps

2009-01-09 Thread Roger
Is anyone using Jon's (Pico Systems) PWM servo amps with the Mesa 5i20 or 7i43? If so could you please post your ini files to postbin.com . I'm interested in converting from Mach3 Gecko's to EMC PWM and would like to see a working configuration. Thanks, Roger ---

Re: [Emc-users] axis and joint motion

2009-01-09 Thread Stuart Stevenson
> What you're asking for is the revamping of teleop mode that's already > started. It will allow manual motion in world/axis space, including > controlling the axes with the MPG. Currently you can only control > joints with the MPG. Also there are no incremental jogs in the > current teleop mode

Re: [Emc-users] Dell Dimension 2400

2009-01-09 Thread William Baden
Thanks for the input Kent! So we do not know if it will/won't have the SMI issue.I might just move on from 2400s and look for good working machines.Thanks,Will Baden> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:26:59 -0500> From: knbr...@erols.com> To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] D

Re: [Emc-users] axis and joint motion

2009-01-09 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Fri, 2009-01-09 at 09:57 -0600, Stuart Stevenson wrote: > Gentlemen, >I have just finished and tested (in NCL) the kinematics for the > cinci. I am putting this in a kinematics file now. I have extensively > (hopefully complete) tested it in NCL for the cinci envelope. ... snip By the way,

Re: [Emc-users] axis and joint motion

2009-01-09 Thread Chris Radek
On Fri, Jan 09, 2009 at 09:57:21AM -0600, Stuart Stevenson wrote: >I want to have the machine use the axis mode in auto, mdi AND > manual. I will seldom want or need the joint mode, probably only for > initial machine commissioning and configuration. >I want this for full 5 axis movement. >

Re: [Emc-users] axis and joint motion

2009-01-09 Thread Stephen Wille Padnos
Stuart Stevenson wrote: >Gentlemen, > I have just finished and tested (in NCL) the kinematics for the >cinci. I am putting this in a kinematics file now. I have extensively >(hopefully complete) tested it in NCL for the cinci envelope. In the >cinci motion envelope I have all the divide by zeros

Re: [Emc-users] Dell Dimension 2400

2009-01-09 Thread Kent A. Reed
Hi, Will. I'm the culprit who posted the Dell Dimension 2400 timing numbers. They were obtained in a "drive-by" test of a friend's PC running the EMC2 LiveCD (I think it was the Ubuntu 8.04 version but I don't remember for sure). Nothing was done to his BIOS settings and, of course, the SMI "f

[Emc-users] axis and joint motion

2009-01-09 Thread Stuart Stevenson
Gentlemen, I have just finished and tested (in NCL) the kinematics for the cinci. I am putting this in a kinematics file now. I have extensively (hopefully complete) tested it in NCL for the cinci envelope. In the cinci motion envelope I have all the divide by zeros out of the code. I had previo

Re: [Emc-users] Hardware advice wanted.

2009-01-09 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Fri, 2009-01-09 at 23:33 +1030, Eric Parsonage wrote: > Hi all > > Anybody have any idea how well emc2 will run on a GIGABYTE GA-PCV2 > Mini ITX MBoard C/w 800MHZ VIA CPU ? I will be running 4 stepper > motors with it. > > I just bought 10 of them. If they are no good for the job I wil

Re: [Emc-users] Hardware advice wanted.

2009-01-09 Thread John Kasunich
Eric Parsonage wrote: > Hi all > > Anybody have any idea how well emc2 will run on a GIGABYTE GA-PCV2 > Mini ITX MBoard C/w 800MHZ VIA CPU ? I will be running 4 stepper > motors with it. > > I just bought 10 of them. If they are no good for the job I will find > something else. > Ther

[Emc-users] Dell dimension 2400

2009-01-09 Thread William Baden
Hello all,I am looking for a computer to use for a lathe retrofit. I intend on using a 5i20.My question is about Dell dimension 2400's. This has shown good latency tests as shown on webpage: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Latency-Test It also shows that it has an Intel 845GV chi

[Emc-users] Hardware advice wanted.

2009-01-09 Thread Eric Parsonage
Hi all Anybody have any idea how well emc2 will run on a GIGABYTE GA-PCV2 Mini ITX MBoard C/w 800MHZ VIA CPU ? I will be running 4 stepper motors with it. I just bought 10 of them. If they are no good for the job I will find something else. Regards Eric

Re: [Emc-users] New cutter compensation algorithm in TRUNK

2009-01-09 Thread Leslie Newell
My vote would be for 2 as well. However blended moves by definition are inaccurate so a slight timing inaccuracy is probably unimportant. Assuming the machine has sensible acceleration, 1 and 3 should be close enough together for it to make little difference. I suppose for my plasma example the

Re: [Emc-users] New cutter compensation algorithm in TRUNK

2009-01-09 Thread Alex Joni
It's a bit far from perfect at the moment. There are basicly 2 different kinds of outputs: M63/M64 Turn on/off digital output synched with motion M64/M65 Turn on/off digital output immediately It's been a really long time since I touched these, I know at some point they used to behave properly (