Re: [Emc-users] Spindle hooked to dc servo amp

2012-07-10 Thread andy pugh
On 10 July 2012 03:35, Kasey Matejcek wrote: > But know I'm I have removed the a axis config setting and I'm trying to get > it looped to the spindle controls and I can't seem to make that work Are you wanting closed-lop spindle speed control, or will open-loop work? Open-loop should just be a

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle hooked to dc servo amp

2012-07-10 Thread Kasey Matejcek
Looking for closed loop I've tried the example close loop and nothing -Original Message- From: andy pugh [mailto:bodge...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 5:25 AM To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Spindle hooked to dc servo amp On 10 July 2012 03:35, K

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle hooked to dc servo amp

2012-07-10 Thread andy pugh
On 10 July 2012 12:40, Kasey Matejcek wrote: > Looking for closed loop > I've tried the example close loop and nothing What sort of nothing? If you look in "machine"->"show hal config" can you see the spindle speed command appearing on motion.spindle-speed-out and into the PID, and out of the PID

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle hooked to dc servo amp

2012-07-10 Thread Kasey Matejcek
I should not say nothing but the spindle turns real aradic and there is no rpm control don't matter were I set the p,I,g -Original Message- From: Kasey Matejcek [mailto:someo...@lkm.bz] Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 6:40 AM To: 'Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)' Subject: Re: [Emc-users] S

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle hooked to dc servo amp

2012-07-10 Thread andy pugh
On 10 July 2012 13:41, Kasey Matejcek wrote: > I should not say nothing but the spindle turns real aradic and there is no > rpm control don't matter were I set the p,I,g First set Pgain, Igain and Dgain to zero and adjust FF0 until you get the speed correct at one rpm value. -- atp If you can't

Re: [Emc-users] Slave joints together with mesa 5i25 and pncconf

2012-07-10 Thread Bryce Johnson
RIght now I don't have my home switches hooked up. I just bring them to a hard stop on one end and thats about as close as I get. On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 7:06 PM, Chris Morley wrote: > > In the interest of making this easier - > I have added tandem axis stepper selection to PNCconf. > available f

[Emc-users] ideas for "bumpless" transfer between encoders

2012-07-10 Thread Ralph Stirling
As I am moving through my linear motor project, I've come down to a place where I need some ideas. The carriage for my motor is 4in long, and my coil sets are 6in long. The magnets are on the moving carriage and the coils are stationary. Part of the reason for this is that I don't want electrica

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle hooked to dc servo amp

2012-07-10 Thread Jon Elson
Kasey Matejcek wrote: > I'm using a johns univ pico controller and his dc servo amps > > I'm trying to use one of his amps to drive the dc servo motor on my lathe > For open-loop speed control, see http://pico-systems.com/codes/minimill/ This is my minimill configuration, so it has some stuff t

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle hooked to dc servo amp

2012-07-10 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Tue, 2012-07-10 at 11:17 -0500, Jon Elson wrote: > Kasey Matejcek wrote: > > I'm using a johns univ pico controller and his dc servo amps > > > > I'm trying to use one of his amps to drive the dc servo motor on my lathe > > > For open-loop speed control, see > http://pico-systems.com/codes/mi

Re: [Emc-users] ideas for "bumpless" transfer between encoders

2012-07-10 Thread andy pugh
On 10 July 2012 16:49, Ralph Stirling wrote: > My question now is the best way to switch between encoders while > the carriage is moving, with minimal disturbance to the motion ... > Can I have this kind of > sequential logic implemented directly in a hal file, or do I need to go > to ClassicLadd

Re: [Emc-users] ideas for "bumpless" transfer between encoders

2012-07-10 Thread Chris Radek
On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 03:49:19PM +, Ralph Stirling wrote: > As I am moving through my linear motor project, I've come down to > a place where I need some ideas. The carriage for my motor is 4in > long, and my coil sets are 6in long. The magnets are on the moving > carriage and the coils are

[Emc-users] Absolute linear encoders

2012-07-10 Thread Andrew
Hi, Just wondering if there's any experience with absolute encoders and LinuxCNC? And particularly absolute linear encoders, with or without LinuxCNC. Thanks, Andrew -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event

Re: [Emc-users] ideas for "bumpless" transfer between encoders

2012-07-10 Thread Andrew
2012/7/10 Ralph Stirling > As I am moving through my linear motor project, I've come down to > a place where I need some ideas. The carriage for my motor is 4in > long, and my coil sets are 6in long. And what is the stroke? If it's 2 to 3.5 in, one encoder is enough. Otherwise, as Chris says,

[Emc-users] Urgent need for spindle motors

2012-07-10 Thread Viesturs Lācis
Hello! Today I finally got an answer from Elte about motors and their current offer for delivery time is mid-September. Another Italian manufacturer does not bother responding to my emails for several weeks already. So I have extremely urgent need for 8 spindle motors. All of them should do 3000

Re: [Emc-users] Absolute linear encoders

2012-07-10 Thread Peter C. Wallace
On Tue, 10 Jul 2012, Andrew wrote: > Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 20:36:43 +0300 > From: Andrew > Reply-To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" > > To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" > Subject: [Emc-users] Absolute linear encoders > > Hi, > Just wondering if there's any experience with abs

Re: [Emc-users] ideas for "bumpless" transfer between encoders

2012-07-10 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/7/10 Ralph Stirling : > As I am moving through my linear motor project, I've come down to > a place where I need some ideas. The carriage for my motor is 4in > long, and my coil sets are 6in long. The magnets are on the moving > carriage and the coils are stationary. Part of the reason for

Re: [Emc-users] ideas for "bumpless" transfer between encoders

2012-07-10 Thread Ralph Stirling
The encoders have a resolution of 2um, so I don't think losing a few counts should hurt me too badly. I've done a fair amount of testing to verify repeatability and it looks very good. I used a custom "sample" component yesterday to capture the two encoder counts on rising and falling edges of th

Re: [Emc-users] ideas for "bumpless" transfer between encoders

2012-07-10 Thread Ralph Stirling
No, wire is *lots* cheaper than neodymium magnets. One carriage has $75 worth of magnets, while a 6" set of coils uses about $7.50 worth of wire. The AS5311 encoder chips are only $5 each. I really don't want to have moving cables going to the carriage. -- Ralph

Re: [Emc-users] Urgent need for spindle motors

2012-07-10 Thread andy pugh
On 10 July 2012 19:02, Viesturs Lācis wrote: > So I have extremely urgent need for 8 spindle motors. There are _lots_ on eBay.co.uk, at about £100 including the inverter and claiming to hold UK stock. Alternatively: http://www.worldofcnc.com/milling-spindles/3kw-milling-spindles-c-351_477.html

[Emc-users] spindle drive

2012-07-10 Thread a
hi is there proven spindle drive for fanuc spindle motor? machine is working good but in case of problem i think it will be better replace whole old fanuc 10m spindle drive. i know servodynamc drives for axis, and do not know drives for spindle. thanks aram --

Re: [Emc-users] Urgent need for spindle motors

2012-07-10 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/7/10 andy pugh : > On 10 July 2012 19:02, Viesturs Lācis wrote: > >> So I have extremely urgent need for 8 spindle motors. > > There are _lots_ on eBay.co.uk, at about £100 including the inverter > and claiming to hold UK stock. > > Alternatively: > http://www.worldofcnc.com/milling-spindles

Re: [Emc-users] Urgent need for spindle motors

2012-07-10 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/7/10 Viesturs Lācis : > It is just the output shaft - ideal would > be a with a bore with inner thread and also with slot for dowel pin. No, it is not called "dowel pin". I do not know the name, but that is a cut on the outer surface of the shaft in axial direction of the shaft. I even cannot

Re: [Emc-users] Urgent need for spindle motors

2012-07-10 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/7/10 andy pugh : > On 10 July 2012 19:02, Viesturs Lācis wrote: > >> So I have extremely urgent need for 8 spindle motors. > > There are _lots_ on eBay.co.uk, at about £100 including the inverter > and claiming to hold UK stock. > There are some 3kW motors with 18000 RPM. Do I understand cor

Re: [Emc-users] Urgent need for spindle motors

2012-07-10 Thread Andrew
2012/7/10 Viesturs Lācis > There are some 3kW motors with 18000 RPM. Do I understand correctly > that those motors will have 500W power at 3000 RPM? > > AFAIK most of those spindles are not intended to run less 6000rpm at all. Andrew --

Re: [Emc-users] Urgent need for spindle motors

2012-07-10 Thread andy pugh
On 10 July 2012 20:55, Viesturs Lācis wrote: > There are some 3kW motors with 18000 RPM. Do I understand correctly > that those motors will have 500W power at 3000 RPM? Possibly less that that. I missed the 3000rpm requirement. -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.co

Re: [Emc-users] Urgent need for spindle motors

2012-07-10 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/7/10 Andrew : > 2012/7/10 Viesturs Lācis > >> There are some 3kW motors with 18000 RPM. Do I understand correctly >> that those motors will have 500W power at 3000 RPM? >> >> AFAIK most of those spindles are not intended to run less 6000rpm at all. It depends - those 2 examples I shared in f

Re: [Emc-users] Absolute linear encoders

2012-07-10 Thread Andrew
2012/7/10 Peter C. Wallace > On Tue, 10 Jul 2012, Andrew wrote: > > Hi, > > Just wondering if there's any experience with absolute encoders and > > LinuxCNC? > > > The HostMot2 resolver interface is absolute (for one electrical resolver > turn > anyway), and its driver code does some things like

Re: [Emc-users] Urgent need for spindle motors

2012-07-10 Thread Andrew
2012/7/10 Viesturs Lācis > 2012/7/10 Andrew : > > 2012/7/10 Viesturs Lācis > > > >> There are some 3kW motors with 18000 RPM. Do I understand correctly > >> that those motors will have 500W power at 3000 RPM? > >> > >> AFAIK most of those spindles are not intended to run less 6000rpm at > all. >

Re: [Emc-users] Absolute linear encoders

2012-07-10 Thread Peter C. Wallace
On Tue, 10 Jul 2012, Andrew wrote: > Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 23:19:40 +0300 > From: Andrew > Reply-To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" > > To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Absolute linear encoders > > 2012/7/10 Peter C. Wallace > >> On Tue, 10 Jul 2012

Re: [Emc-users] Absolute linear encoders

2012-07-10 Thread andy pugh
On 10 July 2012 21:26, Peter C. Wallace wrote: > Yes, you might need a hal comp using the raw read/raw write facility > until SSI is supported by the driver If there is demand, it is probably not a difficult one to write. Like a number of other components, the problem is having hardware to test

Re: [Emc-users] Absolute linear encoders

2012-07-10 Thread Peter C. Wallace
On Tue, 10 Jul 2012, andy pugh wrote: > Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 22:37:27 +0100 > From: andy pugh > Reply-To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" > > To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Absolute linear encoders > > On 10 July 2012 21:26, Peter C. Wallace wrote

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle hooked to dc servo amp

2012-07-10 Thread Kasey Matejcek
This is my hal file for the spindle Don't matter what I do the spindle never spins smooth starts and stops as soon as any p,i,g are added even at .0001 seem to be to much It will spin at it max rpm if I set s to 1 or more put and thing less I surges up and down bad Hoping someone can see someth

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle hooked to dc servo amp

2012-07-10 Thread andy pugh
On 10 July 2012 23:04, Kasey Matejcek wrote: > setp pid.3.maxoutput 1000 What is the pwm scale? If that is 0-1 and your PID is 0-1000 then you will have problems. -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto

Re: [Emc-users] Absolute linear encoders

2012-07-10 Thread Andrew
2012/7/11 Peter C. Wallace > On Tue, 10 Jul 2012, andy pugh wrote: > > > Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 22:37:27 +0100 > > From: andy pugh > > Reply-To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" > > > > To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" > > > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Absolute linear encoders > > >

Re: [Emc-users] Problem I can't see

2012-07-10 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 10 July 2012 19:12:45 andy pugh did opine: > On 9 July 2012 16:35, Gene Heskett wrote: > > After it failed, I put some (debug, print vars) in > > it and found it seems to be prematurely exiting that first 'while' > > when the x_dec var is still around .020". > > Not here. It runs thro

Re: [Emc-users] Problem I can't see

2012-07-10 Thread andy pugh
On 11 July 2012 00:28, Gene Heskett wrote: >> Incidentally, I suspect you could get the same result using the FUP[] >> function: #<_x_div> = [ FUP[ #<_total_cut> / 0.015 ]] >> #<_x_dec> = [#<_total_cut> / #<_x_div>] > > Andy; This works well for the first cut size but not so well for the next >

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle hooked to dc servo amp

2012-07-10 Thread Jon Elson
Kirk Wallace wrote: > Just in case, one of my Pico PWM amps needed to be modified to run a > motor continuously. The large motor output filter inductors would > overheat fairly quickly. This isn't a problem for axis motors that > usually are not on for very long. Jon suggested removing the motor >

Re: [Emc-users] Problem I can't see

2012-07-10 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 10 July 2012 20:34:43 andy pugh did opine: > On 11 July 2012 00:28, Gene Heskett wrote: > >> Incidentally, I suspect you could get the same result using the FUP[] > >> function: #<_x_div> = [ FUP[ #<_total_cut> / 0.015 ]] > >> #<_x_dec> = [#<_total_cut> / #<_x_div>] > > > > Andy; Thi

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle hooked to dc servo amp

2012-07-10 Thread Kasey Matejcek
It set to 1000 setp ppmc.0.pwm.03.scale 1000 when you watch ppmc.0.pwm.03.value it changes from 1000 to -1000 and back and forth it goes when I set s 50 rpm then after some time ppmc.0.pwm.03.value goes to like 50 after some time but it still surges up and down and so does the number if left long

Re: [Emc-users] Absolute linear encoders

2012-07-10 Thread cogoman
On 07/10/2012 05:57 PM, Peter C. Wallace wrote: If there is demand, it is probably not a difficult one to write. >Like a number of other components, the problem is having hardware to >test with, or someone to do the testing vicariously. Pretty sure the SSI interface works, but the BISS one requi

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle hooked to dc servo amp

2012-07-10 Thread Jon Elson
Kasey Matejcek wrote: > It set to 1000 > setp ppmc.0.pwm.03.scale 1000 > > when you watch ppmc.0.pwm.03.value it changes from 1000 to -1000 and back > and forth it goes > when I set s 50 rpm then after some time ppmc.0.pwm.03.value goes to like 50 > after some time but it still surges up and down a

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle hooked to dc servo amp

2012-07-10 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 10 July 2012 23:59:04 Kasey Matejcek did opine: > It set to 1000 > setp ppmc.0.pwm.03.scale 1000 > > when you watch ppmc.0.pwm.03.value it changes from 1000 to -1000 and > back and forth it goes > when I set s 50 rpm then after some time ppmc.0.pwm.03.value goes to > like 50 after some

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle hooked to dc servo amp

2012-07-10 Thread Jon Elson
Gene Heskett wrote: > On Tuesday 10 July 2012 23:59:04 Kasey Matejcek did opine: > > >> It set to 1000 >> setp ppmc.0.pwm.03.scale 1000 >> >> when you watch ppmc.0.pwm.03.value it changes from 1000 to -1000 and >> back and forth it goes >> when I set s 50 rpm then after some time ppmc.0.pwm.03.v

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle hooked to dc servo amp

2012-07-10 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 11 July 2012 01:35:20 Jon Elson did opine: > Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Tuesday 10 July 2012 23:59:04 Kasey Matejcek did opine: > >> It set to 1000 > >> setp ppmc.0.pwm.03.scale 1000 > >> > >> when you watch ppmc.0.pwm.03.value it changes from 1000 to -1000 and > >> back and forth it

Re: [Emc-users] Urgent need for spindle motors

2012-07-10 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/7/10 Andrew : > 2012/7/10 Viesturs Lācis > >> 2012/7/10 Andrew : >> > 2012/7/10 Viesturs Lācis >> > >> >> There are some 3kW motors with 18000 RPM. Do I understand correctly >> >> that those motors will have 500W power at 3000 RPM? >> >> >> >> AFAIK most of those spindles are not intended to

Re: [Emc-users] Urgent need for spindle motors

2012-07-10 Thread Florian Rist
Hi Viesturs > I need the motors yesterday, so responsive seller with motors in stock > is needed. I guess that cost is secondary issue at my situation. You might check if HSD (http://www.hsdusa.com) has something for you. I'm not sure if they have 3000rmp, 1kW motor, but I remember 3000rmp/4kW