[Emc-users] Machining question

2021-06-21 Thread Roland Jollivet
-velocity bounces around so we filter it with lowpass > >>>>> # spindle-velocity is signed so we use absolute component to remove > >>>>> sign # ACTUAL velocity is in RPS not RPM so we scale it. > >>>>> > >>>>> setp

[Emc-users] Machining question

2009-07-22 Thread Rich Amaral
Hey guys, This is purely a machining question. I'm currently retrofitting the lead screws on my home built cnc router with ACME thread screws. Yes, I run EMC2. The screws are about 3 feet long by 3/8 in and need to be turned a bit at either end to fit the stepper motor coupling and bearing

[Emc-users] Machining question

2009-07-22 Thread Ian W. Wright
<>>> That would almost certainly cause the screw to bend What you should do is use a fixed steady on the lathe bed and have maybe 2/3 of the screw sticking out of the chuck with its free end being restrained by the steady. I can't remember what the tailstock is like on a Cra

Re: [Emc-users] Machining question

2021-06-18 Thread Stuart Stevenson
Sounds like a good plan. Hopefully the testing won't involve high rpms so the od not being perfectly concentric will not matter. The motor bearings will handle it but maybe the encoder bearings won't be as robust. On Fri, Jun 18, 2021, 10:52 AM John Dammeyer wrote: > This isn't as much a LinuxCN

Re: [Emc-users] Machining question

2021-06-18 Thread Chris Albertson
I think it is best to back up and look at the bigger picture. Solid couplers are almost never the way to go. Or if you do use a solid couple the motor or encoders needs to be mounted with rubber bushings.I shouldn't be 100% solid. Buy one of these, then bore of one of the holes for the larg

Re: [Emc-users] Machining question

2021-06-18 Thread Chris Albertson
By total coincidence, I am doing the exact same thing. I just bought a 600 line optical encoder and now I'm attaching it directly to a motor. The purpose is to write and debug some control software. In this case, I REALLY DO WANT to run at the encoder's maximum rated speed of 5000 RPM, or els

Re: [Emc-users] Machining question

2021-06-18 Thread andy pugh
On Fri, 18 Jun 2021 at 16:52, John Dammeyer wrote: > I'm thinking the better approach would be to drill all the way through > undersize 3/8" and then drill half way with 13mm. Then only use the boring > tool to bring the back half up to 3/8" and the front up to 14mm. I would drill 8.5mm then

Re: [Emc-users] Machining question

2021-06-18 Thread Gerrit Visser
) Subject: [Emc-users] Machining question This isn't as much a LinuxCNC question but more of an approach to how to machine something. The attached photo shows a coupler from a 3/8" encoder to 14mm Servo Motor so I can test on the bench the Pi4 closed loop encoder behavior. This one

Re: [Emc-users] Machining question

2021-06-18 Thread johnd
Albertson Date: 2021-06-18 9:48 a.m. (GMT-08:00) To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Machining question By total coincidence, I am doing the exact same thing.  I just bought a 600line optical encoder and now I'm attaching it directly to a motor.  T

Re: [Emc-users] Machining question

2021-06-18 Thread Gregg Eshelman via Emc-users
, bore to reamer alloance and then ream. https://www.fltechnical.com/news/reamer-guide-basic-technical-information-for-reamers Gerrit -Original Message- From: John Dammeyer Sent: June 18, 2021 11:49 AM To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) Subject: [Emc-users] Machining question This is

Re: [Emc-users] Machining question

2021-06-18 Thread dave engvall
Dammeyer Sent: June 18, 2021 11:49 AM To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) Subject: [Emc-users] Machining question This isn't as much a LinuxCNC question but more of an approach to how to machine something. The attached photo shows a coupler from a 3/8" encoder to 14mm Servo Motor so

Re: [Emc-users] Machining question

2021-06-18 Thread Cristian Bontas
Hi The way I see the picture, you have quite a few microns of play only in the roughness of the hole. Using the screws that way amplifies the problem, as is pushes all the error to one side. I think the best option is to buy an elastic coupling. Ideally one that fits both sizes, but just o

Re: [Emc-users] Machining question

2021-06-18 Thread John Dammeyer
21 9:50 AM > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Machining question > > On Fri, 18 Jun 2021 at 16:52, John Dammeyer wrote: > > > I'm thinking the better approach would be to drill all the way through > > undersize 3/8" and then drill half

Re: [Emc-users] Machining question

2021-06-19 Thread andy pugh
On Sat, 19 Jun 2021 at 07:11, John Dammeyer wrote: > > I'm finding the AXIS Spindle speed oscillates about +/- 5 RPM. I thought > that I was filtering it. It generally needs to be filtered, but it is possible you are filtering it, but not enough to get a steady reading. For whatever reason en

Re: [Emc-users] Machining question

2021-06-19 Thread Gene Heskett
ell above 1000 now. > > -Original Message- > > From: John Dammeyer [mailto:jo...@autoartisans.com] > > Sent: June-18-21 3:51 PM > > To: 'Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)' > > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Machining question > > > > Andy

Re: [Emc-users] Machining question

2021-06-19 Thread John Dammeyer
ed <= spindle-near-speed.out => spindle.0.at-speed = end HAL code === John > -Original Message- > From: andy pugh [mailto:bodge...@gmail.com] > Sent: June-19-21 2:48 AM > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Machining questi

Re: [Emc-users] Machining question

2021-06-19 Thread Gene Heskett
spindle.0.at-speed > = end HAL code === > > John > > > -Original Message- > > From: andy pugh [mailto:bodge...@gmail.com] > > Sent: June-19-21 2:48 AM > > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > > Subject: Re

Re: [Emc-users] Machining question

2021-06-19 Thread Chris Albertson
hen this is true motion will start. The LED > > in the pyvcp-panel.xml is renamed to be a LED. net > > spindle-near-speed-led <= spindle-near-speed.out => spindle.0.at-speed > > = end HAL code === > > > > John > > > > &

Re: [Emc-users] Machining question

2021-06-19 Thread John Dammeyer
vel X times per second and trying to decide when it's high/low. John > -Original Message- > From: Chris Albertson [mailto:albertson.ch...@gmail.com] > Sent: June-19-21 3:21 PM > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Machining question >

Re: [Emc-users] Machining question

2021-06-19 Thread John Dammeyer
trical noise inside the electronics dropped low enough to no longer cause issues. > -Original Message- > From: Gene Heskett [mailto:ghesk...@shentel.net] > Sent: June-19-21 2:53 PM > To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Machining question > > On

Re: [Emc-users] Machining question

2021-06-19 Thread Gene Heskett
ible on the halscope. > > -Original Message- > > From: Chris Albertson [mailto:albertson.ch...@gmail.com] > > Sent: June-19-21 3:21 PM > > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Machining question > > > > Ther

Re: [Emc-users] Machining question

2021-06-20 Thread dave engvall
hris Albertson [mailto:albertson.ch...@gmail.com] Sent: June-19-21 3:21 PM To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Machining question There are two kinds of noise, 1) electrical noise superimposed on the signal. 2) quantization noise from the sampling process. What happens h

Re: [Emc-users] Machining question

2021-06-20 Thread John Dammeyer
hanks John > -Original Message- > From: dave engvall [mailto:dengv...@charter.net] > Sent: June-20-21 7:55 AM > To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Machining question > > On the Z for my Cinci I cheat by running the encoder off a small idler &

Re: [Emc-users] Machining question

2021-06-21 Thread Chris Albertson
lbertson.ch...@gmail.com] > > Sent: June-19-21 3:21 PM > > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Machining question > > > > There are two kinds of noise, > > 1) electrical noise superimposed on the signal. > > 2) quantization noise fr

Re: [Emc-users] Machining question

2021-06-21 Thread Thaddeus Waldner
quadrature works, with the A/B phasing you >> don't get the same types of errors compared to polling a bit level X times >> per second and trying to decide when it's high/low. >> >> John >> >> >>> -Original Message- >>&g

Re: [Emc-users] Machining question

2021-06-21 Thread Chris Albertson
A/B phasing > you > >> don't get the same types of errors compared to polling a bit level X > times > >> per second and trying to decide when it's high/low. > >> > >> John > >> > >> > >>> -Original Message-

Re: [Emc-users] Machining question

2021-06-22 Thread andy pugh
On Tue, 22 Jun 2021 at 07:09, Chris Albertson wrote: > Quantization happens even in an electrically quiet > environment and results from design decisions made such as the sample > interval, number of lines of the sensor, and the rotation speed. It gets > worse as you go slower. I believe that

Re: [Emc-users] Machining question

2021-06-22 Thread Gene Heskett
sn't the 7i92 FPGA deal with quadrature encoders and > > >> therefore doesn't really need to deal with a sampling process but > > >> instead looks at edges? And because of the way quadrature works, > > >> with the A/B phasing > > > > you > >

Re: [Emc-users] Machining question

2021-06-22 Thread Thaddeus Waldner
of the way quadrature works, with the A/B phasing > you > >> don't get the same types of errors compared to polling a bit level X > times > >> per second and trying to decide when it's high/low. > >> > >> John > >> > >> > >>> -Origin

Re: [Emc-users] Machining question

2009-07-22 Thread Dave Caroline
centrifugal force on the unsupported length can bend it easily if the RPM is high enough Dave Caroline -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://list

Re: [Emc-users] Machining question

2009-07-22 Thread John Kasunich
Rich Amaral wrote: > Hey guys, > > This is purely a machining question. > > I'm currently retrofitting the lead screws on my home built cnc router > with ACME thread screws. Yes, I run EMC2. The screws are about 3 feet > long by 3/8 in and need to be turned a bit at either end to fit the >

Re: [Emc-users] Machining question

2009-07-22 Thread cmgfam
> A fabricated bushing as mentioned, split if need be. Indicate the work if a jaw chuck is used, and A bushing at the left end of the headstock to hold the rod true is advised. That said, a three foot long piece of 3/8th rod is not likely to be straight. EVER. CalG -

Re: [Emc-users] Machining question

2009-07-22 Thread Andy Pugh
2009/7/22 Rich Amaral : > I have a Craftsman professional lathe (much like an Atlas) in decent > shape. After turning both ends to size, I discovered the screw became > warped (about 37 thousandths, a noticeable amount). I don't think the > screw was warped before, although I'm not 100% sure. As

Re: [Emc-users] Machining question

2009-07-22 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 22 July 2009, cmg...@sover.net wrote: >A fabricated bushing as mentioned, split if need be. Indicate the work if >a jaw chuck is used, > > and > >A bushing at the left end of the headstock to hold the rod true is advised. > >That said, a three foot long piece of 3/8th rod is not like

Re: [Emc-users] Machining question

2009-07-22 Thread Jon Elson
Rich Amaral wrote: > Hey guys, > > This is purely a machining question. > > I'm currently retrofitting the lead screws on my home built cnc router > with ACME thread screws. Yes, I run EMC2. The screws are about 3 feet > long by 3/8 in and need to be turned a bit at either end to fit the > st