Re: [Emc-users] DIY output driver

2012-01-29 Thread Peter Blodow
Viesturs, if your laser seems too bulky - have you tried transporting the beam to the work head via optic fibres? In the laser division of my former company, we had several powerful (many, say, 50 watts output) gold vapor ans other lasers that weighed about a ton each and filled a whole

Re: [Emc-users] DIY output driver

2012-01-29 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/1/29 Peter Blodow p.blo...@dreki.de: Viesturs, if your laser seems too bulky - have you tried transporting the beam to the work head via optic fibres? The laser itself is less than 100g, so that is not the problem. The machine itself has heavy construction as its primary task is wood

Re: [Emc-users] DIY output driver

2012-01-28 Thread andy pugh
On 28 January 2012 06:23, Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com wrote: BTW client was happy, when he saw the first hand-burned lines in the wood that I managed to do last night in that small moment, when the laser was working... Can I suggest two other options? 1) Put the existing laser

Re: [Emc-users] DIY output driver

2012-01-28 Thread Rafael Skodlar
On 01/27/2012 10:23 PM, Viesturs Lācis wrote: 2012/1/28 Rafael Skodlarra...@linwin.com: Of course that won't work with most if not all the suggestions I've seen so far. If I understand it correctly, your laser already has a circuit to drive it at reasonable current to do it's magic. Circuit

Re: [Emc-users] DIY output driver

2012-01-27 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/1/26 Kirk Wallace kwall...@wallacecompany.com: On Thu, 2012-01-26 at 08:40 +0200, Viesturs Lācis wrote: An off-the-shelf solid state relay might do the job too. The relay was my first idea, but it turned out pretty quickly that there are no such relays that could be driven directly by

Re: [Emc-users] DIY output driver

2012-01-27 Thread Peter Blodow
Viesturs, it seems to me that your laser diode is just acting as a normal LED, not as a laser. This state is only achieved at a very distinct point up on top of the voltage/current curve. The laser diode supply electronics must take care of this which is a rather delicate controlling task. In

Re: [Emc-users] DIY output driver

2012-01-27 Thread gene heskett
On Friday, January 27, 2012 10:07:52 AM Viesturs Lācis did opine: 2012/1/26 Kirk Wallace kwall...@wallacecompany.com: On Thu, 2012-01-26 at 08:40 +0200, Viesturs Lؤپcis wrote: An off-the-shelf solid state relay might do the job too. The relay was my first idea, but it turned out pretty

Re: [Emc-users] DIY output driver

2012-01-27 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/1/27 Peter Blodow p.blo...@dreki.de: Viesturs, it seems to me that your laser diode is just acting as a normal LED, not as a laser. This state is only achieved at a very distinct point up on top of the voltage/current curve. The laser diode supply electronics must take care of this which

Re: [Emc-users] DIY output driver

2012-01-27 Thread gene heskett
On Friday, January 27, 2012 12:08:34 PM Viesturs Lācis did opine: 2012/1/27 Peter Blodow p.blo...@dreki.de: Viesturs, it seems to me that your laser diode is just acting as a normal LED, not as a laser. This state is only achieved at a very distinct point up on top of the voltage/current

Re: [Emc-users] DIY output driver

2012-01-27 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Fri, 2012-01-27 at 16:55 +0200, Viesturs Lācis wrote: 2012/1/26 Kirk Wallace kwall...@wallacecompany.com: On Thu, 2012-01-26 at 08:40 +0200, Viesturs Lācis wrote: An off-the-shelf solid state relay might do the job too. The relay was my first idea, but it turned out pretty quickly

Re: [Emc-users] DIY output driver

2012-01-27 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/1/27 gene heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com: Is there perchance an adjustment potentiometer?  The LM317T is a linear regulator device and could be made adjustable so as to compensate for the wiring and switching loss in your controller. Nope, I see 2 resistors in series for the middle leg.

Re: [Emc-users] DIY output driver

2012-01-27 Thread Kirk Wallace
For those following this thread, just a reminder of what I think Viesturs has. eBay laser with controller: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Industrial-808nm-800mw-Infrared-Focusable-Laser-Diode-Module-Cutter-w-TTL-/180781956841?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item2a1771bee9#ht_2189wt_1080 Short URL:

Re: [Emc-users] DIY output driver

2012-01-27 Thread andy pugh
On 27 January 2012 18:12, Kirk Wallace kwall...@wallacecompany.com wrote: For those following this thread, just a reminder of what I think Viesturs has. eBay laser with controller: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Industrial-808nm-800mw-Infrared-Focusable-Laser-Diode-Module-Cutter-w-TTL-/180781956841

Re: [Emc-users] DIY output driver

2012-01-27 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/1/27 andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com: On 27 January 2012 18:12, Kirk Wallace kwall...@wallacecompany.com wrote: For those following this thread, just a reminder of what I think Viesturs has. eBay laser with controller:

Re: [Emc-users] DIY output driver

2012-01-27 Thread gene heskett
On Friday, January 27, 2012 01:36:21 PM Viesturs Lācis did opine: 2012/1/27 gene heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com: Is there perchance an adjustment potentiometer? The LM317T is a linear regulator device and could be made adjustable so as to compensate for the wiring and switching loss in your

Re: [Emc-users] DIY output driver

2012-01-27 Thread gene heskett
On Friday, January 27, 2012 01:50:53 PM Kirk Wallace did opine: For those following this thread, just a reminder of what I think Viesturs has. eBay laser with controller: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Industrial-808nm-800mw-Infrared-Focusable-Laser-

Re: [Emc-users] DIY output driver

2012-01-27 Thread gene heskett
On Friday, January 27, 2012 01:52:19 PM andy pugh did opine: On 27 January 2012 18:12, Kirk Wallace kwall...@wallacecompany.com wrote: For those following this thread, just a reminder of what I think Viesturs has. eBay laser with controller:

Re: [Emc-users] DIY output driver

2012-01-27 Thread gene heskett
On Friday, January 27, 2012 01:53:39 PM Viesturs Lācis did opine: 2012/1/27 andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com: On 27 January 2012 18:12, Kirk Wallace kwall...@wallacecompany.com wrote: For those following this thread, just a reminder of what I think Viesturs has. eBay laser with

Re: [Emc-users] DIY output driver

2012-01-27 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/1/27 gene heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com: That depends.  Can, if you just short your device, burn wood?  If not, or only very much slower than you expected, then the wire is too small. I could. Now it seems that my diy stopped working again - laser receives ~3V DC regardless of the state of

Re: [Emc-users] DIY output driver

2012-01-27 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/1/27 gene heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com: On Friday, January 27, 2012 01:53:39 PM Viesturs Lācis did opine: 2012/1/27 andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com: On 27 January 2012 18:12, Kirk Wallace kwall...@wallacecompany.com wrote: For those following this thread, just a reminder of what I think

Re: [Emc-users] DIY output driver

2012-01-27 Thread gene heskett
On Friday, January 27, 2012 02:29:30 PM Viesturs Lācis did opine: 2012/1/27 gene heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com: That depends. Can, if you just short your device, burn wood? If not, or only very much slower than you expected, then the wire is too small. I could. Now it seems that my diy

Re: [Emc-users] DIY output driver

2012-01-27 Thread gene heskett
On Friday, January 27, 2012 02:31:36 PM Viesturs Lācis did opine: 2012/1/27 gene heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com: On Friday, January 27, 2012 01:53:39 PM Viesturs Lؤپcis did opine: 2012/1/27 andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com: On 27 January 2012 18:12, Kirk Wallace kwall...@wallacecompany.com

Re: [Emc-users] DIY output driver

2012-01-27 Thread Ed Nisley
On Fri, 2012-01-27 at 12:26 -0500, gene heskett wrote: The LM317T is a linear regulator device and could be made adjustable so as to compensate for the wiring and switching loss in your controller. Judging from Viesturs' description in a later message: Nope, I see 2 resistors in series for

Re: [Emc-users] DIY output driver

2012-01-27 Thread Rafael Skodlar
On 01/27/2012 11:07 AM, Viesturs Lācis wrote: 2012/1/27 gene heskettghesk...@wdtv.com: That depends. Can, if you just short your device, burn wood? If not, or only very much slower than you expected, then the wire is too small. I could. Now it seems that my diy stopped working again -

Re: [Emc-users] DIY output driver

2012-01-27 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/1/28 Rafael Skodlar ra...@linwin.com: Of course that won't work with most if not all the suggestions I've seen so far. If I understand it correctly, your laser already has a circuit to drive it at reasonable current to do it's magic. Circuit I suggested earlier was under assumption you

Re: [Emc-users] DIY output driver

2012-01-25 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/1/20 Kirk Wallace kwall...@wallacecompany.com: On Fri, 2012-01-20 at 10:39 -0800, Kirk Wallace wrote: On Fri, 2012-01-20 at 10:42 +0200, Viesturs Lācis wrote: ... snip Kirk, I repasted Your scheme here: http://picpaste.com/scheme-3V0w43QM.png ... snip Revised schematic attached.

Re: [Emc-users] DIY output driver

2012-01-25 Thread Roland Jollivet
On 25 January 2012 19:41, Kirk Wallace kwall...@wallacecompany.com wrote: On Wed, 2012-01-25 at 17:06 +0200, Viesturs Lācis wrote: ... snip I tested by connecting/disconnecting 4N25 pin1 to GND and measured the voltage on laser power pins. Do you mean pin 2? Shorting pin 2 to ground

Re: [Emc-users] DIY output driver

2012-01-25 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012. gada 25. Jan. 18:55 Roland Jollivet roland.jolli...@gmail.com rakstīja: On 25 January 2012 19:41, Kirk Wallace kwall...@wallacecompany.com wrote: On Wed, 2012-01-25 at 17:06 +0200, Viesturs Lācis wrote: ... snip I tested by connecting/disconnecting 4N25 pin1 to GND and measured the

Re: [Emc-users] DIY output driver

2012-01-25 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Wed, 2012-01-25 at 19:52 +0200, Roland Jollivet wrote: ... snip By the way, you are using a PNP package for a NPN device. Be sure to change it before doing a layout. Regards Roland Uugh, that's embarrassing. I got the part number from Viesturs' e-mail reply, just pasted it in and didn't

Re: [Emc-users] DIY output driver

2012-01-25 Thread Viesturs Lācis
Ok, now I got it. Thank You, Kirk, for explanatory scheme! Thank You, Roland, for pointing it out. I will try in to resolder within next few hours and report back. Viesturs 2012. gada 25. Jan. 19:19 Kirk Wallace kwall...@wallacecompany.com rakstīja: On Wed, 2012-01-25 at 19:52 +0200, Roland

Re: [Emc-users] DIY output driver

2012-01-25 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Wed, 2012-01-25 at 10:17 -0800, Kirk Wallace wrote: ... snip I suppose the BD139 could be made to work, but I would need to build the circuit to say anything with confidence. See attached. ... snip I suppose being able to use SPICE would help. Maybe I'll learn to use it in another life.

[Emc-users] DIY output driver

2012-01-25 Thread Roland Jollivet
On 25 January 2012 20:17, Kirk Wallace kwall...@wallacecompany.com wrote: On Wed, 2012-01-25 at 19:52 +0200, Roland Jollivet wrote: ... snip By the way, you are using a PNP package for a NPN device. Be sure to change it before doing a layout. Regards Roland Uugh, that's

Re: [Emc-users] DIY output driver

2012-01-25 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012. gada 25. Jan. 19:39 Roland Jollivet roland.jolli...@gmail.com rakstīja: Haha. Sorry, it's funny. The BD139 is a NPN, so the position was right, but the symbol should have been changed from PNP to NPN. Otherwise, you can leave the new drawing as is, but label it as a BD138. The BD138

[Emc-users] DIY output driver

2012-01-25 Thread Roland Jollivet
2012/1/25 Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com 2012. gada 25. Jan. 19:39 Roland Jollivet roland.jolli...@gmail.com rakstīja: Haha. Sorry, it's funny. The BD139 is a NPN, so the position was right, but the symbol should have been changed from PNP to NPN. Otherwise, you can leave

Re: [Emc-users] DIY output driver

2012-01-25 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012. gada 25. Jan. 20:18 Roland Jollivet roland.jolli...@gmail.com rakstīja: 2012/1/25 Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com 2012. gada 25. Jan. 19:39 Roland Jollivet roland.jolli...@gmail.com rakstīja: Haha. Sorry, it's funny. The BD139 is a NPN, so the position was right,

Re: [Emc-users] DIY output driver

2012-01-25 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/1/25 Kirk Wallace kwall...@wallacecompany.com: On Wed, 2012-01-25 at 21:16 +0200, Roland Jollivet wrote: ... snip All I'm saying is; BD138 is PNP BD139 is NPN Just make sure that the symbol used matches the description, otherwise if you automatically place the part, you'll have the

Re: [Emc-users] DIY output driver

2012-01-25 Thread andy pugh
On 25 January 2012 21:07, Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com wrote: Kirk, I am getting totally confused... What is the difference in schematics between both images in Your last email? I cannot see any... The direction the arrow points in the transistor schematic symbol. -- atp The idea

Re: [Emc-users] DIY output driver

2012-01-25 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/1/25 andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com: On 25 January 2012 21:07, Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com wrote: Kirk, I am getting totally confused... What is the difference in schematics between both images in Your last email? I cannot see any... The direction the arrow points in the

Re: [Emc-users] DIY output driver

2012-01-25 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Wed, 2012-01-25 at 23:07 +0200, Viesturs Lācis wrote: ... snip Kirk, I am getting totally confused... Sorry about that. What is the difference in schematics between both images in Your last email? I cannot see any... NPN Not Pointing iN |/ Collector Base ---| |\

Re: [Emc-users] DIY output driver

2012-01-25 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Wed, 2012-01-25 at 23:43 +0200, Viesturs Lācis wrote: 2012/1/25 andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com: On 25 January 2012 21:07, Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com wrote: Kirk, I am getting totally confused... What is the difference in schematics between both images in Your last email? I

Re: [Emc-users] DIY output driver

2012-01-25 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/1/26 Kirk Wallace kwall...@wallacecompany.com: On Wed, 2012-01-25 at 23:43 +0200, Viesturs Lācis wrote: 2012/1/25 andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com: On 25 January 2012 21:07, Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com wrote: Kirk, I am getting totally confused... What is the difference in

Re: [Emc-users] DIY output driver

2012-01-25 Thread Rafael Skodlar
On 01/25/2012 01:43 PM, Viesturs Lācis wrote: 2012/1/25 andy pughbodge...@gmail.com: On 25 January 2012 21:07, Viesturs Lācisviesturs.la...@gmail.com wrote: Kirk, I am getting totally confused... What is the difference in schematics between both images in Your last email? I cannot see

Re: [Emc-users] DIY output driver

2012-01-25 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Thu, 2012-01-26 at 08:40 +0200, Viesturs Lācis wrote: ... snip Ground is shared on both sides, because 5V and 12V are supplied by PC's PSU. Is there a simple way I can drive that transistor without optoisolator? I think you could add a smaller transistor in place of the opto-isolator. See

Re: [Emc-users] DIY output driver

2012-01-20 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/1/20 kqt4a...@gmail.com: Could you provide details about the laser Manufacturer is www.kalecnc.com Purchased from them on ebay:

Re: [Emc-users] DIY output driver

2012-01-20 Thread gene heskett
On Friday, January 20, 2012 12:07:16 PM Viesturs Lācis did opine: 2012/1/20 Kirk Wallace kwall...@wallacecompany.com: On Thu, 2012-01-19 at 17:32 -0500, Przemek Klosowski wrote: On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 5:08 PM, Viesturs Lؤپcis viesturs.la...@gmail.comwrote: Hello, folks! I would

Re: [Emc-users] DIY output driver

2012-01-20 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/1/20 gene heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com: The rest if this modified drawing looks as if it should fly. Ok, thanks! I will try to resolder and test it. In case of any difficulties, I will report back :)) Viesturs --

Re: [Emc-users] DIY output driver

2012-01-20 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Fri, 2012-01-20 at 10:42 +0200, Viesturs Lācis wrote: ... snip Kirk, I repasted Your scheme here: http://picpaste.com/scheme-3V0w43QM.png Do I understand that includes also Steve's and Przemek's sugestions, if R2 is 200 ohm? The optoisolator is 4N25, the transistor is BD139. Gene, I

Re: [Emc-users] DIY output driver

2012-01-20 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/1/20 Kirk Wallace kwall...@wallacecompany.com: On Fri, 2012-01-20 at 10:39 -0800, Kirk Wallace wrote: On Fri, 2012-01-20 at 10:42 +0200, Viesturs Lācis wrote: ... snip Kirk, I repasted Your scheme here: http://picpaste.com/scheme-3V0w43QM.png ... snip Revised schematic attached.

Re: [Emc-users] DIY output driver

2012-01-20 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Fri, 2012-01-20 at 21:05 +0200, Viesturs Lācis wrote: 2012/1/20 Kirk Wallace kwall...@wallacecompany.com: On Fri, 2012-01-20 at 10:39 -0800, Kirk Wallace wrote: On Fri, 2012-01-20 at 10:42 +0200, Viesturs Lācis wrote: ... snip Kirk, I repasted Your scheme here:

Re: [Emc-users] DIY output driver

2012-01-19 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 5:08 PM, Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.comwrote: Hello, folks! I would appreciate some advice or insights, what am I doing wrong. What I want to do is to switch on and off a power to laser engraver diode. It needs 12 VDC supply and it consumes ~1 A currrent.

Re: [Emc-users] DIY output driver

2012-01-19 Thread Steve Stallings
...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 5:33 PM To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) Subject: Re: [Emc-users] DIY output driver On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 5:08 PM, Viesturs Lacis viesturs.la...@gmail.comwrote: Hello, folks! I would appreciate some advice or insights, what am I doing

Re: [Emc-users] DIY output driver

2012-01-19 Thread gene heskett
On Thursday, January 19, 2012 07:27:22 PM Viesturs Lācis did opine: Hello, folks! I would appreciate some advice or insights, what am I doing wrong. What I want to do is to switch on and off a power to laser engraver diode. It needs 12 VDC supply and it consumes ~1 A currrent. Here is