Re: [Emc-users] Trajectory planning and other topics from a EMC(LinuxCNC) newbie (TheNewbie)

2012-04-19 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/4/19 Les Newell les.new...@fastmail.co.uk: The big problem is that very often the curves in the drawing are not true arcs. This is especially common in artistic and sign work. The quality of the CAM output is directly dependent on the quality of the input drawing. Drawings that contains

Re: [Emc-users] Trajectory planning and other topics from a EMC(LinuxCNC) newbie (TheNewbie)

2012-04-19 Thread Jon Elson
Viesturs Lācis wrote: I think that this issue is fighting the consequence instead of fixing the real cause. People want to change the look ahead behavior, but I am completely sure that fixing the cause - getting normal g-code is much easier. At least for those things that my machines are

Re: [Emc-users] Trajectory planning and other topics from a EMC(LinuxCNC) newbie (TheNewbie)

2012-04-19 Thread Dave
I agree that there are always cases where curve fitting simply doesn't work. But I have seen some large curvy lines in a single plane that could have been curve fitted, that spanned over several feet of distance that were described as G1 segments that were no more than .005 inches long. That

Re: [Emc-users] Trajectory planning and other topics from a EMC(LinuxCNC) newbie (TheNewbie)

2012-04-19 Thread Kenneth Lerman
On 4/19/2012 1:53 PM, Jon Elson wrote: Viesturs Lācis wrote: 2012/4/19 Stephen Dubovskysmdubov...@gmail.com: Around tight curves, that requires lots of short sections w/ high changes in velocity. But you have to go slow within the limits of the machine around those anyway. Just like

Re: [Emc-users] Trajectory planning and other topics from a EMC(LinuxCNC) newbie (TheNewbie)

2012-04-19 Thread Les Newell
SheetCam does not support NURBS curves internally. When it imports a drawing, all non-circular curves are broken down into lots of very small line segments. It then does arc matching on those line segments and any other line segments in the drawing before finally merging any ludicrously short

Re: [Emc-users] Trajectory planning and other topics from a EMC(LinuxCNC) newbie (TheNewbie)

2012-04-19 Thread Bernhard Kubicek
On 4/19/2012 9:02 PM, Kenneth Lerman wrote: Is anyone here interested in writing a filter that takes as input a tolerance (error band) and a sequence of motions (arcs and line segments) and generates a new sequence of motions that duplicates the original within the error band? It sounds like

Re: [Emc-users] Trajectory planning and other topics from a EMC(LinuxCNC) newbie (TheNewbie)

2012-04-19 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/4/19 Les Newell les.new...@fastmail.co.uk: SheetCam does not support NURBS curves internally. When it imports a drawing, all non-circular curves are broken down into lots of very small line segments. It then does arc matching on those line segments and any other line segments in the

Re: [Emc-users] Trajectory planning and other topics from a EMC(LinuxCNC) newbie (TheNewbie)

2012-04-19 Thread Dave
No, I was actually working with an OEM who sold a sign software package that generated Gcode (very expensive). The problem was that their software generated way too many short segments for no good reason which caused problems on the machine controls (it wasn't LinuxCNC or Mach3). They simply

Re: [Emc-users] Trajectory planning and other topics from a EMC(LinuxCNC) newbie (TheNewbie)

2012-04-19 Thread Jon Elson
Viesturs Lācis wrote: 2012/4/19 Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com: But, LinuxCNC does not do arbitrary arcs, but only arcs in one of the three orthogonal planes. How hard would it be to add that? It would require 3 coordinates for each of start, end and center point. The first

Re: [Emc-users] Trajectory planning and other topics from a EMC(LinuxCNC) newbie (TheNewbie)

2012-04-19 Thread Jon Elson
Kenneth Lerman wrote: Others have stated that arcs must be in one of three orthogonal planes. Since linuxcnc can do helices, that isn't precisely true. A helix is a special case, where an arc in one of the 3 defined planes adds a coordinated linear movement of one axis not involved in the

Re: [Emc-users] Trajectory planning and other topics from a EMC(LinuxCNC) newbie (TheNewbie)

2012-04-19 Thread Scott Hasse
It seems to me that the likelihood of fixing all of the methods of gcode generation such that they don't generate short line segments is approximately zero. Also, it seems that even if a proprietary LinuxCNC gcode extension allowed arbitrary plane arcs, splines, etc. that the likelihood of CAM

Re: [Emc-users] Trajectory planning and other topics from a, EMC(LinuxCNC) newbie (TheNewbie)

2012-04-07 Thread cogoman
I am a bit behind due to trying to get my EMAIL machine upgraded to a newer model I received as a hand me down. The on board video stymied every distribution except puppy! I eventually was given an older PCI-X video card that allowed me to install main stream distros, and now I've pretty

Re: [Emc-users] Trajectory planning and other topics from a, EMC(LinuxCNC) newbie (TheNewbie)

2012-04-01 Thread Dave
@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Trajectory planning and other topics from a, EMC(LinuxCNC) newbie (TheNewbie) My experience with steppers is that once you lose sync with the rotor at speed, you have to slow down tremendously to regain sync with the rotor. So once you start slipping, you

Re: [Emc-users] Trajectory planning and other topics from a, EMC(LinuxCNC) newbie (TheNewbie)

2012-03-31 Thread cogoman
From: Viesturs L?cis viesturs.la...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Emc-users] This will run in a little off-topic by me... You can run heavy duty machines with steppers, but then the performance will suffer - You will have to leave big safety margin in terms of load to motors (either move slower or

Re: [Emc-users] Trajectory planning and other topics from a, EMC(LinuxCNC) newbie (TheNewbie)

2012-03-31 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/3/31 cogoman cogo...@optimum.net: From: Viesturs L?cis viesturs.la...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Emc-users] This will run in a little off-topic by me... You can run heavy duty machines with steppers, but then the performance will suffer - You will have to leave big safety margin in terms of

Re: [Emc-users] Trajectory planning and other topics from a, EMC(LinuxCNC) newbie (TheNewbie)

2012-03-31 Thread Dave
On 3/31/2012 12:09 PM, Viesturs Lācis wrote: 2012/3/31 cogomancogo...@optimum.net: From: Viesturs L?cisviesturs.la...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Emc-users] This will run in a little off-topic by me... You can run heavy duty machines with steppers, but then the performance will

Re: [Emc-users] Trajectory planning and other topics from a, EMC(LinuxCNC) newbie (TheNewbie)

2012-03-31 Thread Peter C. Wallace
On Sat, 31 Mar 2012, Dave wrote: Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 14:20:19 -0500 From: Dave e...@dc9.tzo.com Reply-To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Trajectory

Re: [Emc-users] Trajectory planning and other topics from a EMC(LinuxCNC) newbie (TheNewbie)

2012-03-19 Thread Bernhard Kubicek
Is the one-line lookahead statement also true blended paths? And how does it apply to splines? I find all this quite surprising, even grbl does lookahead over all the lines in the buffer (and hence has a latency while trying to pause or stop) Does somebody know if this diagram is whats linuxcnc

Re: [Emc-users] Trajectory planning and other topics from a EMC(LinuxCNC) newbie (TheNewbie)

2012-03-18 Thread Steve Blackmore
On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 17:28:05 +0100, you wrote: My assumption about Tarjectory planning was based on Anders Wallins message as he mentioned some problem with limited look-ahead, I suppose this affects the shape of the calculated path in some cases? Effectively LinuxCNC only looks ahead one

Re: [Emc-users] Trajectory planning and other topics from a EMC(LinuxCNC) newbie (TheNewbie)

2012-03-18 Thread Youda He
This is very interesting, we are planning to.start using linuxcnc some time in near future. We mainly mill organic shapes, such as 3DProcessing scanned head models, the models start as mesh stl models with million a of small triangles we would like to mill at fastest possible speed and can

Re: [Emc-users] Trajectory planning and other topics from a EMC(LinuxCNC) newbie (TheNewbie)

2012-03-18 Thread Yishin Li
On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Youda He youda...@gmail.com wrote: This is very interesting, we are planning to.start using linuxcnc some time in near future. We mainly mill organic shapes, such as 3DProcessing scanned head models, the models start as mesh stl models with million a of small

Re: [Emc-users] Trajectory planning and other topics from a EMC(LinuxCNC) newbie (TheNewbie)

2012-03-18 Thread Dave
I went though this exercise on a vinyl cutter application doing a lot of fine cutting details a few years ago. What I found is that if you want to do a lot of fine work quickly you really need to work on your 3D cam software to do curve fitting on the output. The only alternative to that is

Re: [Emc-users] Trajectory planning and other topics from a EMC(LinuxCNC) newbie (TheNewbie)

2012-03-17 Thread Roger Holmquist
look-ahead, I suppose this affects the shape of the calculated path in some cases? / Roger Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 15:18:54 +0200 From: Anders Wallin anders.e.e.wal...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Trajectory Planning To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) [1] http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi

Re: [Emc-users] Trajectory planning and other topics from a EMC(LinuxCNC) newbie (TheNewbie)

2012-03-17 Thread Peter C. Wallace
On Sat, 17 Mar 2012, Roger Holmquist wrote: Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 17:28:05 +0100 From: Roger Holmquist ro...@abcnc.se Reply-To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Trajectory planning and other

Re: [Emc-users] Trajectory planning and other topics from a EMC(LinuxCNC) newbie (TheNewbie)

2012-03-17 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Sat, 2012-03-17 at 17:28 +0100, Roger Holmquist wrote: Thanks for your responses. It seems I have to give LinuxCNC a closer look. There is a low cost commercial alternative in MACH 3. I guess you have an opinions on that system too? I know it's based on Windows with some kind of realtime

Re: [Emc-users] Trajectory planning and other topics from a EMC(LinuxCNC) newbie (TheNewbie)

2012-03-17 Thread Jon Elson
Roger Holmquist wrote: Thanks for your responses. It seems I have to give LinuxCNC a closer look. There is a low cost commercial alternative in MACH 3. I guess you have an opinions on that system too? I know it's based on Windows with some kind of realtime extension who doesn't sound too

Re: [Emc-users] Trajectory planning and other topics from a EMC(LinuxCNC) newbie (TheNewbie)

2012-03-17 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/3/17 Roger Holmquist ro...@abcnc.se: Thanks for your responses. It seems I have to give LinuxCNC a closer look. There is a low cost commercial alternative in MACH 3. I guess you have an opinions on that system too? That is pretty much provocative question :)) Here is my thoughts, why

Re: [Emc-users] Trajectory planning and other topics from a EMC(LinuxCNC) newbie

2012-03-16 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/3/15 Roger Holmquist ro...@abcnc.se: Hello everybody! Have just got reason to join the CNC-developing community. Considering LinuxCNC as a professional machine control system replacing older control systems versions from FANUC, Heidenhahn, Siemens etc I think that Youtube has enough

Re: [Emc-users] Trajectory planning and other topics from a EMC(LinuxCNC) newbie

2012-03-16 Thread Jon Elson
2012/3/15 Roger Holmquist ro...@abcnc.se: Oh, I should mention that I have been using EMC since 1998, and have not had one crash since mid 1998! So, that is coming up on 14 years of use! (There was a bug that caused the GUI to lock up back in early 1998, but it still finished the part

[Emc-users] Trajectory Planning

2012-03-15 Thread Bernhard Kubicek
Hi! Around the corner, aka the 3d printing world of the RepRap universe, the jump from arduino to ARM microcontrollers is on the road. This means, that descend trajecory planning is now theoretically possible. Is there any place, where one could learn how the motion planning _really_ works,

Re: [Emc-users] Trajectory Planning

2012-03-15 Thread Anders Wallin
[1] http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?TrajectoryControl -- This wiki page has notes on the exact-stop trajectory planner http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Simple_Tp_Notes The reasoning and math behind the current G64-blending code in LinuxCNC is not well documented..

[Emc-users] Trajectory planning and other topics from a EMC(LinuxCNC) newbie

2012-03-15 Thread Roger Holmquist
Hello everybody! Have just got reason to join the CNC-developing community. Considering LinuxCNC as a professional machine control system replacing older control systems versions from FANUC, Heidenhahn, Siemens etc One observation is that trajectory planning seem to be incomplete. There is

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