Re: [Emc-users] Wrapped rotary axes, Fanuc style: for testing

2009-12-14 Thread Steve Blackmore
On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 20:27:17 -0600, you wrote: >On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 02:01:16AM +, Steve Blackmore wrote: > >> >No I wouldn't object to someone adding G32. Do you plan to contribute >> >this? I'd happily review this contribution. >> >> Yes - how do I go about it. >> >> Third time of ask

Re: [Emc-users] Wrapped rotary axes, Fanuc style: for testing

2009-12-13 Thread Chris Radek
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 02:01:16AM +, Steve Blackmore wrote: > >No I wouldn't object to someone adding G32. Do you plan to contribute > >this? I'd happily review this contribution. > > Yes - how do I go about it. > > Third time of asking, so far still no response? Well I'm not sure what y

Re: [Emc-users] Wrapped rotary axes, Fanuc style: for testing

2009-12-13 Thread Steve Blackmore
On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 16:59:36 -0500, you wrote: >On Sat, Oct 03, 2009 at 09:21:43PM +0100, Steve Blackmore wrote: >> >> Ahh - it's a second one being added not a replacement for the existing, >> even though it's an obsolete Fanuc foible? > >I thought that was clear from the start. > >> If you're u

Re: [Emc-users] Wrapped rotary axes, Fanuc style: for testing

2009-10-06 Thread Steve Blackmore
On Sun, 04 Oct 2009 00:00:14 +0100, you wrote: >>> If you're up to adding second commands, there should be no objection >>> then to adding a current Fanuc lathe command like G32 with F for the >>> feed word that also does taper threads properly (along the Z axis NOT >>> the hypotenuse) in addition

Re: [Emc-users] Wrapped rotary axes, Fanuc style: for testing, - Question about using a rotary table

2009-10-04 Thread Ian W. Wright
Steve Blackmore wrote <<<. > Thanks Steve, I had missed that trick! Ian -- Come build with us! The BlackBerry® Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jump

Re: [Emc-users] Wrapped rotary axes, Fanuc style: for testing

2009-10-03 Thread Steve Blackmore
On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 16:59:36 -0500, you wrote: >On Sat, Oct 03, 2009 at 09:21:43PM +0100, Steve Blackmore wrote: >> >> Ahh - it's a second one being added not a replacement for the existing, >> even though it's an obsolete Fanuc foible? > >I thought that was clear from the start. No - it wasn't.

Re: [Emc-users] Wrapped rotary axes, Fanuc style: for testing

2009-10-03 Thread Chris Radek
On Sat, Oct 03, 2009 at 09:21:43PM +0100, Steve Blackmore wrote: > > Ahh - it's a second one being added not a replacement for the existing, > even though it's an obsolete Fanuc foible? I thought that was clear from the start. > If you're up to adding second commands, there should be no objecti

Re: [Emc-users] Wrapped rotary axes, Fanuc style: for testing

2009-10-03 Thread Steve Blackmore
On Fri, 2 Oct 2009 16:14:49 -0500, you wrote: >I see a use for both systems. I see that you strongly prefer one over >the other. I do not understand yet why you object so strongly to the >second one being added. Ahh - it's a second one being added not a replacement for the existing, even thoug

Re: [Emc-users] Wrapped rotary axes, Fanuc style: for testing - Question about using a rotary table

2009-10-03 Thread robert
> > I am embarassed to say that I have never noticed if EMC holds relative > position information during a power-down, or machine position for that > matter. > Only when you use the position_file option POSITION_FILE = position.txt If set to a non-empty value, the joint positions are stored be

Re: [Emc-users] Wrapped rotary axes, Fanuc style: for testing - Question about using a rotary table

2009-10-03 Thread Andy Pugh
2009/10/3 Ian W. Wright : > It will be no use having a system where, > if the last job you did was milling a 12" length of 40 > thread, hitting the home button will cause the rotary to set > off on an interminable unwind.. A rotary axis will only ever home to the home switch, and it is hard to thi

Re: [Emc-users] Wrapped rotary axes, Fanuc style: for testing - Question about using a rotary table

2009-10-03 Thread John Thornton
You can disable that feature if you wish. http://www.linuxcnc.org/docview/html//config_ini_config.html#sub:[TRAJ]-section John On 3 Oct 2009 at 8:54, Ian W. Wright wrote: > problem and homing is now easy. However, as EMC will not now > allow any operation without all the axes being homed first

Re: [Emc-users] Wrapped rotary axes, Fanuc style: for testing

2009-10-03 Thread Steve Blackmore
On Fri, 2 Oct 2009 22:32:02 +0100, you wrote: >2009/10/2 Chris Radek : > >>> Also as Andy pointed out, you can do an optional short move to zero in >>> some controllers, invent a code for it if considered essential. >> >> OK, I agree a counterproposal might have this scheme. > >G1.1 and G0.1 ? Tak

Re: [Emc-users] Wrapped rotary axes, Fanuc style: for testing - Question about using a rotary table

2009-10-03 Thread Steve Blackmore
On Sat, 03 Oct 2009 08:54:25 +0100, you wrote: > However, as EMC will not now >allow any operation without all the axes being homed first, >optionally running such as 'position setting' script before >a rotary sets off on a long unwind is not now possible. > Hi Ian, put NO_FORCE_HOMING=1 in t

Re: [Emc-users] Wrapped rotary axes, Fanuc style: for testing - Question about using a rotary table

2009-10-03 Thread Ian W. Wright
One thing which does need addressing is that, whatever solution is found ( and I suspect that we may actually be approaching a consensus on what is required...). the rotary axis/axes need to be able to home either to the position in which they currently are or to the nearest '0' when EMC2 is f

Re: [Emc-users] Wrapped rotary axes, Fanuc style: for testing

2009-10-02 Thread Dave Caroline
As a spur gear tooth cutter one needs 0-360, but a helical gear cutter goes above 360, a worm maker may need up to 10 turns, a thread miller may want a lot more. For a hobbing machine many hundreds or thousands of turns but returning to the real homed 0 or arbitary angle in less than one turn is th

Re: [Emc-users] Wrapped rotary axes, Fanuc style: for testing

2009-10-02 Thread Andy Pugh
2009/10/2 Chris Radek : >> Also as Andy pointed out, you can do an optional short move to zero in >> some controllers, invent a code for it if considered essential. > > OK, I agree a counterproposal might have this scheme. G1.1 and G0.1 ? Take the shortest route and reset the machine coordinates

Re: [Emc-users] Wrapped rotary axes, Fanuc style: for testing

2009-10-02 Thread Chris Radek
On Fri, Oct 02, 2009 at 04:05:54PM +0100, Steve Blackmore wrote: > Ehh? Ehh? > It's sane for any rotary, particularly those that CAN rotate forever. OK, matter of opinion. Let me explain and justify my opinion further down. Simply restating it is silly. > Also as Andy pointed out, you can do

Re: [Emc-users] Wrapped rotary axes, Fanuc style: for testing

2009-10-02 Thread Steve Blackmore
On Fri, 2 Oct 2009 08:25:32 -0500, you wrote: >On Fri, Oct 02, 2009 at 12:18:50PM +0100, Steve Blackmore wrote: > >> " One occurrence that is interesting - when the rotation in the same >> direction reaches 360.0 (a full circle), it continues to increase. It >> does not become zero degrees again."

Re: [Emc-users] Wrapped rotary axes, Fanuc style: for testing

2009-10-02 Thread Chris Radek
On Thu, Oct 01, 2009 at 03:53:02PM -0500, Chris Radek wrote: > > G53 still does the full unwind. Not anymore - now it uses the sign to determine which way to turn, and goes to the specified coordinate in that direction while disregarding g5x and g92 offsets. ---

Re: [Emc-users] Wrapped rotary axes, Fanuc style: for testing

2009-10-02 Thread Chris Radek
On Fri, Oct 02, 2009 at 12:18:50PM +0100, Steve Blackmore wrote: > " One occurrence that is interesting - when the rotation in the same > direction reaches 360.0 (a full circle), it continues to increase. It > does not become zero degrees again." I think your book is describing the same behavior

Re: [Emc-users] Wrapped rotary axes, Fanuc style: for testing

2009-10-02 Thread Steve Blackmore
On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 15:53:02 -0500, you wrote: > exactly 1 full turn requires using g91 > more than one full turn requires using g91 Argghhh... N One flavour of Fanuc only (15b)! Why follow a bad design? Fanuc, as is their habit, changed it. Sensibly later Fanuc controllers treat rotary axi

[Emc-users] Wrapped rotary axes, Fanuc style: for testing

2009-10-01 Thread Chris Radek
On Thu, Oct 01, 2009 at 01:56:32PM -0500, Stuart Stevenson wrote: > > exactly 1 full turn requires using g91 > more than one full turn requires using g91 > g91 move the axis in the direction and magnitude of the command ie. > g91g00c-720 is two revolutions in the negative direction > g91c-10 set t