Re: [E-devel] changing development of core apps and E itself

2017-04-24 Thread Cedric BAIL
On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 11:40 PM, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > On Fri, 14 Apr 2017 23:03:02 -0300 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri > said: >> On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 9:14 PM, Carsten Haitzler >> wrote: >> > On Tue, 11 Apr 2017 09:41:06 -0700 Cedric BAIL said: >> >> On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 2:52 AM, Carsten

Re: [E-devel] changing development of core apps and E itself

2017-04-23 Thread The Rasterman
On Sat, 15 Apr 2017 11:10:32 +0930 Simon Lees said: > > > On 04/13/2017 09:44 AM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > > On Tue, 11 Apr 2017 09:41:06 -0700 Cedric BAIL said: > > > >> On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 2:52 AM, Carsten Haitzler > >> wrote: > >>> On Tue, 11 Apr 2017 18:58:58 +0930 S

Re: [E-devel] changing development of core apps and E itself

2017-04-23 Thread The Rasterman
On Fri, 14 Apr 2017 23:03:02 -0300 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri said: > On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 9:14 PM, Carsten Haitzler > wrote: > > On Tue, 11 Apr 2017 09:41:06 -0700 Cedric BAIL said: > > > >> On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 2:52 AM, Carsten Haitzler > >> wrote: > >> > On Tue, 11 Apr 2017 18:58:58 +09

Re: [E-devel] changing development of core apps and E itself

2017-04-17 Thread Cedric BAIL
On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 5:14 PM, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > On Tue, 11 Apr 2017 09:41:06 -0700 Cedric BAIL said: >> On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 2:52 AM, Carsten Haitzler >> wrote: >> > On Tue, 11 Apr 2017 18:58:58 +0930 Simon Lees said: >> >> On 04/11/2017 04:19 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)

Re: [E-devel] changing development of core apps and E itself

2017-04-14 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 9:14 PM, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > On Tue, 11 Apr 2017 09:41:06 -0700 Cedric BAIL said: > >> On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 2:52 AM, Carsten Haitzler >> wrote: >> > On Tue, 11 Apr 2017 18:58:58 +0930 Simon Lees said: >> >> On 04/11/2017 04:19 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman

Re: [E-devel] changing development of core apps and E itself

2017-04-14 Thread Simon Lees
On 04/13/2017 09:44 AM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > On Tue, 11 Apr 2017 09:41:06 -0700 Cedric BAIL said: > >> On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 2:52 AM, Carsten Haitzler >> wrote: >>> On Tue, 11 Apr 2017 18:58:58 +0930 Simon Lees said: On 04/11/2017 04:19 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Ra

Re: [E-devel] changing development of core apps and E itself

2017-04-14 Thread The Rasterman
On Tue, 11 Apr 2017 20:58:50 +0930 Simon Lees said: > > > On 04/11/2017 07:22 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > > On Tue, 11 Apr 2017 18:58:58 +0930 Simon Lees said: > > > >> > >> > >> On 04/11/2017 04:19 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > >>> On Mon, 10 Apr 2017 12:01:

Re: [E-devel] changing development of core apps and E itself

2017-04-14 Thread The Rasterman
On Tue, 11 Apr 2017 09:41:06 -0700 Cedric BAIL said: > On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 2:52 AM, Carsten Haitzler > wrote: > > On Tue, 11 Apr 2017 18:58:58 +0930 Simon Lees said: > >> On 04/11/2017 04:19 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > >> > On Mon, 10 Apr 2017 12:01:49 -0300 Gustavo Sverzu

Re: [E-devel] changing development of core apps and E itself

2017-04-14 Thread The Rasterman
On Tue, 11 Apr 2017 08:29:07 -0300 Solerman Kaplon said: > Em 11/04/2017 06:52, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) escreveu: > > > > then why does android precompile java apps to native code on installation > > now as opposed to just keep interpreting? :) > > > > Because java is jitted and doing J

Re: [E-devel] changing development of core apps and E itself

2017-04-12 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 1:41 PM, Cedric BAIL wrote: > On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 2:52 AM, Carsten Haitzler > wrote: >> On Tue, 11 Apr 2017 18:58:58 +0930 Simon Lees said: >>> On 04/11/2017 04:19 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: >>> > On Mon, 10 Apr 2017 12:01:49 -0300 Gustavo Sverzut Ba

Re: [E-devel] changing development of core apps and E itself

2017-04-11 Thread Cedric BAIL
On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 2:52 AM, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > On Tue, 11 Apr 2017 18:58:58 +0930 Simon Lees said: >> On 04/11/2017 04:19 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: >> > On Mon, 10 Apr 2017 12:01:49 -0300 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri >> > said: >> >> On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 4:50 AM, Car

Re: [E-devel] changing development of core apps and E itself

2017-04-11 Thread Solerman Kaplon
Em 11/04/2017 06:52, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) escreveu: > > then why does android precompile java apps to native code on installation now > as opposed to just keep interpreting? :) > Because java is jitted and doing JIT takes time, memory and battery to do. Plus, on usual VMs, there is n

Re: [E-devel] changing development of core apps and E itself

2017-04-11 Thread Simon Lees
On 04/11/2017 07:22 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > On Tue, 11 Apr 2017 18:58:58 +0930 Simon Lees said: > >> >> >> On 04/11/2017 04:19 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: >>> On Mon, 10 Apr 2017 12:01:49 -0300 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri >>> said: >>> On Mon, Apr 10, 20

Re: [E-devel] changing development of core apps and E itself

2017-04-11 Thread The Rasterman
On Tue, 11 Apr 2017 18:58:58 +0930 Simon Lees said: > > > On 04/11/2017 04:19 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > > On Mon, 10 Apr 2017 12:01:49 -0300 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri > > said: > > > >> On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 4:50 AM, Carsten Haitzler > >> wrote: > >>> On Sun, 9 Apr 2017

Re: [E-devel] changing development of core apps and E itself

2017-04-11 Thread Simon Lees
On 04/11/2017 04:19 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > On Mon, 10 Apr 2017 12:01:49 -0300 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri > said: > >> On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 4:50 AM, Carsten Haitzler >> wrote: >>> On Sun, 9 Apr 2017 23:25:39 -0700 Cedric BAIL said: >>> On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 7:51 P

Re: [E-devel] changing development of core apps and E itself

2017-04-11 Thread The Rasterman
On Mon, 10 Apr 2017 12:01:49 -0300 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri said: > On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 4:50 AM, Carsten Haitzler > wrote: > > On Sun, 9 Apr 2017 23:25:39 -0700 Cedric BAIL said: > > > >> On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 7:51 PM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri > >> wrote: > >> > On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 9:3

Re: [E-devel] changing development of core apps and E itself

2017-04-11 Thread The Rasterman
On Tue, 11 Apr 2017 07:59:15 +0930 Simon Lees said: > > > On 04/11/2017 12:25 AM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 6:06 AM, Carsten Haitzler > > wrote: > >> On Sun, 9 Apr 2017 12:09:08 -0300 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri > >> said: > >> > >> Is it an old need? At least o

Re: [E-devel] changing development of core apps and E itself

2017-04-11 Thread The Rasterman
On Mon, 10 Apr 2017 11:55:38 -0300 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri said: > On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 6:06 AM, Carsten Haitzler > wrote: > > On Sun, 9 Apr 2017 12:09:08 -0300 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri > > said: > > > >> Hi all, > >> > >> Nowadays with a newborn daughter I have more time to think than to >

Re: [E-devel] changing development of core apps and E itself

2017-04-10 Thread Simon Lees
On 04/11/2017 10:46 AM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: > On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 7:29 PM, Simon Lees wrote: >> On 04/11/2017 12:25 AM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: >>> On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 6:06 AM, Carsten Haitzler >>> wrote: On Sun, 9 Apr 2017 12:09:08 -0300 Gustavo Sverzut Barbie

Re: [E-devel] changing development of core apps and E itself

2017-04-10 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 7:29 PM, Simon Lees wrote: > On 04/11/2017 12:25 AM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: >> On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 6:06 AM, Carsten Haitzler >> wrote: >>> On Sun, 9 Apr 2017 12:09:08 -0300 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri >>> >>> said: >>> >>> Is it an old need? At least on OSX an

Re: [E-devel] changing development of core apps and E itself

2017-04-10 Thread Simon Lees
On 04/11/2017 12:25 AM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: > On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 6:06 AM, Carsten Haitzler > wrote: >> On Sun, 9 Apr 2017 12:09:08 -0300 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri >> >> said: >> >> Is it an old need? At least on OSX and modern Windows apps are encouraged to >> fit in and look

Re: [E-devel] changing development of core apps and E itself

2017-04-10 Thread Mike Blumenkrantz
On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 11:13 AM Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri < barbi...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 11:16 AM, Mike Blumenkrantz > wrote: > > To focus on very specific items that you mentioned: > > > > I did some exploration into using eo/lian in enlightenment a few years > ago > > an

Re: [E-devel] changing development of core apps and E itself

2017-04-10 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 11:16 AM, Mike Blumenkrantz wrote: > To focus on very specific items that you mentioned: > > I did some exploration into using eo/lian in enlightenment a few years ago > and instability immediately proved that this was a waste of time. I have no > interest in revisiting or

Re: [E-devel] changing development of core apps and E itself

2017-04-10 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 4:50 AM, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > On Sun, 9 Apr 2017 23:25:39 -0700 Cedric BAIL said: > >> On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 7:51 PM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri >> wrote: >> > On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 9:38 PM, Simon Lees wrote: >> >> On 04/10/2017 12:39 AM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wr

Re: [E-devel] changing development of core apps and E itself

2017-04-10 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 6:06 AM, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > On Sun, 9 Apr 2017 12:09:08 -0300 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri > > said: > >> Hi all, >> >> Nowadays with a newborn daughter I have more time to think than to >> code (likely to remain like that for few more weeks), so I did think a >> bit m

Re: [E-devel] changing development of core apps and E itself

2017-04-10 Thread Mike Blumenkrantz
To focus on very specific items that you mentioned: I did some exploration into using eo/lian in enlightenment a few years ago and instability immediately proved that this was a waste of time. I have no interest in revisiting or considering anything related to eo/eolian/bindings/interfaces/etc unt

Re: [E-devel] changing development of core apps and E itself

2017-04-10 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 3:04 AM, Cedric BAIL wrote: > On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 9:51 PM, Simon Lees wrote: >> On 04/10/2017 12:21 PM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: >>> On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 9:38 PM, Simon Lees wrote: On 04/10/2017 12:39 AM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: Enlightenment

Re: [E-devel] changing development of core apps and E itself

2017-04-10 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 1:51 AM, Simon Lees wrote: > > > On 04/10/2017 12:21 PM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: >> On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 9:38 PM, Simon Lees wrote: >>> On 04/10/2017 12:39 AM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: Hi all, >>> >>> Enlightenment is using it in some places and

Re: [E-devel] changing development of core apps and E itself

2017-04-10 Thread Andrew Williams
Hi, Just to chip in here I have to disagree that type checking is only available in low level languages. There are many high level, easy to code systems with explicit and compile time checks. I don't think that as a project grows it should get lower level - that is counter intuitive and may indica

Re: [E-devel] changing development of core apps and E itself

2017-04-10 Thread The Rasterman
On Sun, 9 Apr 2017 12:09:08 -0300 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri said: > Hi all, > > Nowadays with a newborn daughter I have more time to think than to > code (likely to remain like that for few more weeks), so I did think a > bit more of our development process in the light of "how to make it > faste

Re: [E-devel] changing development of core apps and E itself

2017-04-10 Thread The Rasterman
On Sun, 9 Apr 2017 23:25:39 -0700 Cedric BAIL said: > On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 7:51 PM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri > wrote: > > On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 9:38 PM, Simon Lees wrote: > >> On 04/10/2017 12:39 AM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: > >>> Which brings me to my last point: we should adopt and

Re: [E-devel] changing development of core apps and E itself

2017-04-09 Thread Cedric BAIL
On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 7:51 PM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: > On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 9:38 PM, Simon Lees wrote: >> On 04/10/2017 12:39 AM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: >>> Which brings me to my last point: we should adopt and use for REAL a >>> binding. You all know my personal preference

Re: [E-devel] changing development of core apps and E itself

2017-04-09 Thread Cedric BAIL
On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 9:51 PM, Simon Lees wrote: > On 04/10/2017 12:21 PM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: >> On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 9:38 PM, Simon Lees wrote: >>> On 04/10/2017 12:39 AM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: >>> Enlightenment is using it in some places and some E widgets are no >>> l

Re: [E-devel] changing development of core apps and E itself

2017-04-09 Thread Simon Lees
On 04/10/2017 12:21 PM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: > On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 9:38 PM, Simon Lees wrote: >> On 04/10/2017 12:39 AM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >> >> Enlightenment is using it in some places and some E widgets are no >> longer used, however given that the p

Re: [E-devel] changing development of core apps and E itself

2017-04-09 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 9:38 PM, Simon Lees wrote: > On 04/10/2017 12:39 AM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> Nowadays with a newborn daughter I have more time to think than to >> code (likely to remain like that for few more weeks), so I did think a >> bit more of our development p

Re: [E-devel] changing development of core apps and E itself

2017-04-09 Thread Simon Lees
On 04/10/2017 12:39 AM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: > Hi all, > > Nowadays with a newborn daughter I have more time to think than to > code (likely to remain like that for few more weeks), so I did think a > bit more of our development process in the light of "how to make it > faster, more r

[E-devel] changing development of core apps and E itself

2017-04-09 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
Hi all, Nowadays with a newborn daughter I have more time to think than to code (likely to remain like that for few more weeks), so I did think a bit more of our development process in the light of "how to make it faster, more reliable and easier to use". As most of you that join IRC at the same