On 12/09/06, David Seikel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
One thing that has always kept me away from online forums is thegeneral lack of any email interface.If I can treat the forums justlike a mailing list, then I will contribute to them just like Icontribute to the mailing lists.This is an area I
On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 07:00:33 +0200 Brian Miculcy [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
I just wanted to keep another problem in mind:
100mbit is enough for anyone... :) heheheh
(we can always mirror the larger data files but keep the pages and logic on 1
server and have datafiles/images referenced with
I have some Drupal experience now (been building a coporate backed
community site recently). I have lots of Java experience (the language
XSM is written in). I have even worked on stuff that has combined the
two. I am one of the few that contributes to all three sites, and I
think I was the
So we have two devs for xsm. Sounds good. I vote for it. :)
Brian
On Tue, Sep 12, 2006 at 04:24:01PM +1000, David Seikel wrote:
I have some Drupal experience now (been building a coporate backed
community site recently). I have lots of Java experience (the language
XSM is written in). I
Oh ok, didn't know that. So no need for mirrors - makes life much
easier.
Brian
On Tue, Sep 12, 2006 at 02:45:29PM +0900, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 07:00:33 +0200 Brian Miculcy [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
I just wanted to keep another problem in mind:
100mbit is enough
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
exactly. this is what i have been trying to get people to focus on - what
about
xsm could/should be fixed/improved. what about xsm really (within practical
limits) is not fixable?
3. permissions model - too explicit. hard to grant global acess to 1
On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 00:41:42 -0400
Michael Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tuesday, 12 September 2006, at 01:08:22 (+0300),
Eugen Minciu wrote:
Ruby on Rails is a web application development framework. For more
info see http://www.rubyonrails.com. It's like the advanced brother
of
Andrew Williams wrote:
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
This would be a feature I would like to add (as an option ;) )
5. forums of edevelop - how would we get xsm to handle that with minimum pain
(don't say we need to write our own forum engine!)
The easiest is to use any
dan sinclair wrote:
Andrew Williams wrote:
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
This would be a feature I would like to add (as an option ;) )
5. forums of edevelop - how would we get xsm to handle that with
minimum pain
(don't say we need to write our own forum engine!)
The
Andrew Williams wrote:
dan sinclair wrote:
Andrew Williams wrote:
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
This would be a feature I would like to add (as an option ;) )
5. forums of edevelop - how would we get xsm to handle that with
minimum pain
(don't say we need to write our own
dan sinclair wrote:
Andrew Williams wrote:
dan sinclair wrote:
Andrew Williams wrote:
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
This would be a feature I would like to add (as an option ;) )
5. forums of edevelop - how would we get xsm to handle that with
minimum pain
(don't say we need
Michael Jennings wrote:
2. Unintuitive?
Blake says XSM's editing interface is unintuitive. I can see some
room for improvement, but straight HTML in a textarea seems pretty
intuitive to me, albeit not as user-friendly as it could be.
Just to add to this. I do have access to update the
Andrew Williams wrote:
dan sinclair wrote:
Can XSM integrate with things like LDAP or other authentication
schemes? Or, would it be hard to add? Or, another way, what are the
available authentication mechanisms available in XSM as that would
need to be considered when looking for the
The New tab is for making new pages.
To add a new post use the New article icon instead, which is at the
top of the edit screen. (just above the articles that already exist).
The idea is that the new xxx icon will insert content in the location
that it is situated.
Andy
dan sinclair wrote:
Andrew Williams wrote:
The New tab is for making new pages.
To add a new post use the New article icon instead, which is at the
top of the edit screen. (just above the articles that already exist).
The idea is that the new xxx icon will insert content in the location
that it is situated.
Ah - the text should be there. It was removed a while ago and then
reverted - I guess that rectang.com (XSM stable) is not running the
latest dev version (not surprisingly)
The thing about all those clicks is that when you want to edit a
document you go to the edit tab to get a lock on the
On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 08:48:51 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
As many may have noticed, e's official website, enlightenmnet.org is
pretty painfully out of date. The screenshots on the front page are all
from e16, and there have been a total of 3 news items this year.
yup. i have been mulling
i have been thinking we need simple links:
---
about
news
screenshots
download
bugs
contact
---
documentation
cvs
debugging
0.16
0.17
core libraries
widget sets
...
for debugging, maybe a bugzilla server. I know that xcomp has something
similar, but i've never
On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 12:03:01 +0200 (CEST) Vincent Torri [EMAIL PROTECTED]
babbled:
i have been thinking we need simple links:
---
about
news
screenshots
download
bugs
contact
---
documentation
cvs
debugging
0.16
0.17
core libraries
widget sets
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 12:03:01 +0200 (CEST) Vincent Torri [EMAIL PROTECTED]
babbled:
[snip]
if we had something that would allow to edit the TODO file or something
similar so all the bug reporting went through cvs and the bugs were put where
they are
On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 12:38:30 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
MUAHAHHAHAHAH. just kidding - but it will allow us to provide online
services to E itself later - like online update to help/faq docs so
users can find help on what they want more quickly without
On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 12:22:36 +0100 Andrew Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]
babbled:
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 08:48:51 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
I know Ben (the peudo-official web maintainer) has been super busy with
work and Opensolaris, and has a
On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 12:22:33 +0100 Andrew Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]
babbled:
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 12:03:01 +0200 (CEST) Vincent Torri
[EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
[snip]
if we had something that would allow to edit the TODO file or something
On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 12:38:30 +0900
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I noticed that, and I've also noticed a couple of other things that may not be
so apparent to you guys.
There's www.enlightenment.org and www.e-develop.org and www.get-e.org. This
really seems like a
On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 12:38:30 +0900
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I noticed that, and I've also noticed a couple of other things that may not be
so apparent to you guys.
There's www.enlightenment.org and www.e-develop.org and www.get-e.org. This
really seems like a
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 12:22:36 +0100 Andrew Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]
babbled:
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 08:48:51 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
I know Ben (the peudo-official web maintainer) has been
On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 16:04:13 +0300
Eugen Minciu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 12:38:30 +0900
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I noticed that, and I've also noticed a couple of other things that may not
be so apparent to you guys.
There's
Eugen Minciu wrote:
There's www.enlightenment.org and www.e-develop.org and www.get-e.org. This
really seems like a far stretch to me, imho there should be just one
www.enlightenment.org
I always thought proper to way to do this was to have
http://get.enlightenment.org and
On Mon, Sep 11, 2006 at 08:23:34AM -0500, Alberto Castro wrote:
Eugen Minciu wrote:
There's www.enlightenment.org and www.e-develop.org and www.get-e.org.
This really seems like a far stretch to me, imho there should be just one
www.enlightenment.org
I always thought
On Monday, 11 September 2006, at 15:49:22 (+0300),
Eugen Minciu wrote:
There's www.enlightenment.org and www.e-develop.org and
www.get-e.org. This really seems like a far stretch to me, imho
there should be just one www.enlightenment.org
edevelop.org is geared toward developers, not users. I
On Sep 11, 2006, at 6:51 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, Sep 11, 2006 at 08:23:34AM -0500, Alberto Castro wrote:
Eugen Minciu wrote:
There's www.enlightenment.org and www.e-develop.org and www.get-
e.org. This really seems like a far stretch to me, imho there
should be just one
On Sep 11, 2006, at 11:04 AM, Michael Jennings wrote:
snip
Thanks, but I think we'd rather not. Not many of us know or use Ruby,
and some of the most fundamental Ruby software (Rake!) is broken. I'd
rather stick with something more mature and more supported by the
developers.
snip
Huh?
On Monday, 11 September 2006, at 11:04:13 (-0700),
Blake Barnett wrote:
I don't think it's even worth discussing going back to the old
CVS/HTML setup. The point is to encourage _casual_ contribution,
not to make it hard, which it seems like that's all we've done so
far.
CVS has several
On Monday, 11 September 2006, at 11:11:03 (-0700),
Blake Barnett wrote:
Could you elaborate on what is broken about Rake?
I didn't say anything was broken about Rake. I said Rake was broken.
And no, I won't elaborate, as that's off-topic for this list. I've
discussed it previously on IRC.
I know that it has been brought up before, and been scoffed at, but I
would suggest a wiki setup, similar to what freedesktop.org,
cairographics.org, etc. have. It seems to work well for them, and the
content is quite good and informative. You can always restrict it to
validated accounts if you
On Sep 11, 2006, at 11:12 AM, Michael Jennings wrote:
On Monday, 11 September 2006, at 11:04:13 (-0700),
Blake Barnett wrote:
I don't think it's even worth discussing going back to the old
CVS/HTML setup. The point is to encourage _casual_ contribution,
not to make it hard, which it seems
On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 14:04:22 -0400
Michael Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Monday, 11 September 2006, at 15:49:22 (+0300),
Eugen Minciu wrote:
There's www.enlightenment.org and www.e-develop.org and
www.get-e.org. This really seems like a far stretch to me, imho
there should be
Eugen Minciu wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 14:04:22 -0400
Michael Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Monday, 11 September 2006, at 15:49:22 (+0300),
Eugen Minciu wrote:
There's www.enlightenment.org and www.e-develop.org and
www.get-e.org. This really seems like a far stretch to me, imho
On Monday, 11 September 2006, at 11:41:51 (-0700),
Blake Barnett wrote:
And it requires giving everyone who wants to add a simple little
news item access to everything in CVS (should normally be a
problem... but.)
So? Like write access is any big deal. Raster wants it given out
like candy.
On Monday, 11 September 2006, at 14:56:45 (-0400),
Christopher Michael wrote:
Those who contribute to get-e refuse to contribute to
enlightenment.org, and that's their choice.
This I totally have to disagree with. It's not that we refuse to
contribute, far from it. It's just that
Michael Jennings wrote:
On Monday, 11 September 2006, at 14:56:45 (-0400),
Christopher Michael wrote:
Those who contribute to get-e refuse to contribute to
enlightenment.org, and that's their choice.
This I totally have to disagree with. It's not that we refuse to
contribute, far from
On Sep 11, 2006, at 12:14 PM, Michael Jennings wrote:
On Monday, 11 September 2006, at 11:41:51 (-0700),
Blake Barnett wrote:
And it requires giving everyone who wants to add a simple little
news item access to everything in CVS (should normally be a
problem... but.)
So? Like write
On Monday, 11 September 2006, at 15:27:11 (-0400),
Christopher Michael wrote:
KX, ahh I see. I was unaware of the reasons that get-e started, but
all that aside, Perhaps I should have rephrased my statement then:
It's not that I refuse to contribute :)
As one of the few people actually
Hello folks,
This email is not in direct response to any of the previous replies,
it is the result of a discussion that took place on #edevelop between
(mainly) shadoi, devilhorns, morlenxus, and myself (HandyAndy was also
consulted, as he is directly concerned in all of this).
The current
On Monday, 11 September 2006, at 23:29:11 (+0300),
Hisham Mardam Bey wrote:
Prior to diving into the what to use discussion
See, I don't think that's the conversation we should be having right
now.
We're using XSM right now. Unless there is some fundamental flaw in
XSM that cannot be
Hi,
i think we have three maintainers for now: Shadoi doing the development
stuff part, me and devilhorns doing the users stuff part. This can be
easily
moved to e.org. I think the main problem is that everyone want's to work
differently on e.org . Shadoi using ruby on rails (whatever this is, i
On Sep 11, 2006, at 1:41 PM, Michael Jennings wrote:
On Monday, 11 September 2006, at 23:29:11 (+0300),
Hisham Mardam Bey wrote:
Prior to diving into the what to use discussion
See, I don't think that's the conversation we should be having right
now.
We're using XSM right now. Unless
On Monday, 11 September 2006, at 22:49:19 (+0200),
Brian Miculcy wrote:
I suggest to simply ask the maintainers, which will work on e.org -
us three.
So you three will forever be the only people working on e.org?
I accept that Handyandy wanted to talk about that, but he don't
maintain
Brian Miculcy wrote:
Hi,
i think we have three maintainers for now: Shadoi doing the development
stuff part, me and devilhorns doing the users stuff part. This can be
easily
moved to e.org. I think the main problem is that everyone want's to work
differently on e.org . Shadoi using ruby on
On Monday, 11 September 2006, at 13:55:25 (-0700),
Blake Barnett wrote:
3. Foreign codebase.
This is an old problem, where 1 person writes a huge chunk of code
and then it's hard for a team to collaborate on it. If we want to
be able to add features to merge the websites (get-e.org and
Well check the other thread, there you see what happens if everyone
wants to spread in his position. After all some of us are really working
with the system. I wouldn't like to use something which has
been voted by people which would never use it.
Brian
On Mon, Sep 11, 2006 at 05:05:09PM -0400,
On Monday, 11 September 2006, at 23:16:27 (+0200),
Brian Miculcy wrote:
Well check the other thread, there you see what happens if everyone
wants to spread in his position. After all some of us are really
working with the system. I wouldn't like to use something which has
been voted by people
Ok, i can only speak for get-e.org xsm:
The biggest problem was that people can only have access rights to a
whole page, not only of a part if it. Check
http://www0.get-e.org/Themes/E17/, if we give theme contributors access
to that page, they can easily change the edje of other themes. As far as
On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 22:49:19 +0200
Brian Miculcy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
i think we have three maintainers for now: Shadoi doing the development
stuff part, me and devilhorns doing the users stuff part. This can be
easily
moved to e.org. I think the main problem is that everyone
Michael Jennings wrote:
On Monday, 11 September 2006, at 15:27:11 (-0400),
Christopher Michael wrote:
KX, ahh I see. I was unaware of the reasons that get-e started, but
all that aside, Perhaps I should have rephrased my statement then:
It's not that I refuse to contribute :)
As
On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 14:04:22 -0400 Michael Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
On Monday, 11 September 2006, at 15:49:22 (+0300),
Eugen Minciu wrote:
There's www.enlightenment.org and www.e-develop.org and
www.get-e.org. This really seems like a far stretch to me, imho
there should be
On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 21:03:47 +0100 Andrew Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]
babbled:
On Mon, 2006-09-11 at 15:39 -0400, Michael Jennings wrote:
For me personally, what stops me from messing with E.org is Rectang.
Not XSM, necessarily...just the fact that I'm having to go through a
company's
On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 15:39:23 -0400 Michael Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
On Monday, 11 September 2006, at 15:27:11 (-0400),
Christopher Michael wrote:
KX, ahh I see. I was unaware of the reasons that get-e started, but
all that aside, Perhaps I should have rephrased my statement
On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 17:15:27 -0400 Michael Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
On Monday, 11 September 2006, at 13:55:25 (-0700),
Blake Barnett wrote:
3. Foreign codebase.
This is an old problem, where 1 person writes a huge chunk of code
and then it's hard for a team to collaborate
On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 13:55:25 -0700 Blake Barnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
On Sep 11, 2006, at 1:41 PM, Michael Jennings wrote:
On Monday, 11 September 2006, at 23:29:11 (+0300),
Hisham Mardam Bey wrote:
Prior to diving into the what to use discussion
See, I don't think that's
On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 23:29:11 +0300 Hisham Mardam Bey
[EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
Hello folks,
This email is not in direct response to any of the previous replies,
it is the result of a discussion that took place on #edevelop between
(mainly) shadoi, devilhorns, morlenxus, and myself
On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 17:13:26 -0400 Christopher Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED]
babbled:
For myself, I'd prefer either xsm or plain html. Xsm because I am used
to it from get-e.org and plain html because I'm familiar with that too
:) As far as Ruby on Rails I can't really say because I've never
On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 23:37:24 +0200 Brian Miculcy [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
Ok, i can only speak for get-e.org xsm:
The biggest problem was that people can only have access rights to a
whole page, not only of a part if it. Check
http://www0.get-e.org/Themes/E17/, if we give theme
On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 16:41:45 -0400 Michael Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
On Monday, 11 September 2006, at 23:29:11 (+0300),
Hisham Mardam Bey wrote:
Prior to diving into the what to use discussion
See, I don't think that's the conversation we should be having right
now.
We're
On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 08:15:45 +0900
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 21:52:55 +0300 Eugen Minciu [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 14:04:22 -0400
Michael Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Monday, 11 September 2006, at
On Sep 11, 2006, at 4:25 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
snip
one issues i see in merging them - 2 use xsm (fine) 1. uses drupal
(php cms).
edevelop's forums just can't function without dynamic www - xsm
itself can't
really scale there. so do we rewrite forum code in php to
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
agreed. i currently want to just move xsm locally to e.org - get it all up and
running there and go from there. the question then is - once its up - how to
kickstart life on e.org. we need to involve andy here as we are still using
xsm
and moving FROM
On Tuesday, 12 September 2006, at 01:08:22 (+0300),
Eugen Minciu wrote:
Ruby on Rails is a web application development framework. For more
info see http://www.rubyonrails.com. It's like the advanced brother
of PHP. The really, really advanced brother of PHP. It's not a
CMS. It should allow
I just wanted to keep another problem in mind:
get-e.org used mirrors to scale the bandwidth. Biggest problem with this
was dynamic content, for example the php voting system we had same month
ago. So if there are plans to have mirrors, we also need to find a way
how to work with user content
On Fri, 2006-07-21 at 08:48 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Next, I know there have been a few issues with XSM and sf.net. When a
change is made, the entire site is rebuilt and re-uploaded to sf.net.
This can take a few minutes, and isn't always successful (sometimes
resulting in a blank front
As many may have noticed, e's official website, enlightenmnet.org is
pretty painfully out of date. The screenshots on the front page are all
from e16, and there have been a total of 3 news items this year.
I know Ben (the peudo-official web maintainer) has been super busy with
work and
Brain, thanks for taking the time to move this from IRC to the list.
On 7/21/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As many may have noticed, e's official website, enlightenmnet.org is
pretty painfully out of date. The screenshots on the front page are all
from e16, and there have been
I wouldn't mind expanding my role from FAQ maintainer to general web
site maintainer. In particular, I regularly compile everything e17 and
run all the modules that are fit to run for testing purposes, so I
would be good at keeping an up to date what's new in E17 page, as
well as a what works in
I'll talk to greg about getting e.org on to caos's server.On 7/21/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As many may have noticed, e's official website, enlightenmnet.org ispretty painfully out of date. The screenshots on the front page are allfrom e16, and there have been a total of 3
Ok. Greg has said it would be ok to move e.org orver to caos's server.On 7/21/06, Stephen Houston
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I'll talk to greg about getting
e.org on to caos's server.On 7/21/06,
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As many may have noticed, e's official website,
On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 03:55:16 +1000 David Seikel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I wouldn't mind expanding my role from FAQ maintainer to general web
site maintainer. In particular, I regularly compile everything e17
and run all the modules that are fit to run for testing purposes, so I
would be
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