Re: [EVDL] Tesla funds research into Li ion testing at Dalhousie Uinversity

2016-10-05 Thread Michael Ross via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Best charge rate for longevity

2016-10-05 Thread Cruisin via EV
Not true, we charge to 5vdc per cell all the time for dragsters and don't have any degradation or fires. -- View this message in context: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Best-charge-rate-for-longevity-tp4683988p4683992.html Sent from the Electric Vehicle Discussion

[EVDL] Tesla funds research into Li ion testing at Dalhousie Uinversity

2016-10-05 Thread Michael Ross via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Best charge rate for longevity

2016-10-05 Thread Michael Ross via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Best charge rate for longevity

2016-10-05 Thread Cruisin via EV
The total charge of 4.2vdc is not going to reduce the life span of the batteries unless left at that voltage for a long period of charge. Tesla's are charged using the super charger to maximum of 4.2vdc, but the recommendation is to drive it as soon as possible so as to not leave the voltage at

Re: [EVDL] Best charge rate for longevity

2016-10-05 Thread Michael Ross via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Should I buy...?

2016-10-05 Thread Cruisin via EV
If you are going to buy a car, the first criteria is that you like the car more than the others you looked at. Too many buy because its cheap, bad decision. Who wants to drive a cheap car they don't like, a fool. -- View this message in context:

Re: [EVDL] Best charge rate for longevity

2016-10-05 Thread Mark Hanson via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Best charge rate for longevity (not guessgauge)

2016-10-05 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
So, how does the car computer know when the battery is discharged? I can understand the estimated range might be affected by not doing a full discharge occasionally. But what about the bars or other state of charge reading? Is that determined also by an amp-hours in, amp-hours out comparison?

Re: [EVDL] How to Prolong Lithium-based Batteries - Battery University

2016-10-05 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
Bob, I believe at 50 or 55 MPH constant level road you see about 12kW draw. Since the pack is almost 400V, this means about 30A. EVs typically are driving for about 1-2% of the time, for the rest they are charging or resting. But this is irrelevant - there is no relation between driving current

Re: [EVDL] Best charge rate for longevity (not guessgauge)

2016-10-05 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
Depends on what you mean. If you mean to never charge until you always get down to 10%, then that is a bad idea. But if you are meaning to always charge (top-off) after every use, and then *occasionally* do the discharge to 10mi followed by a full charge, then absolutely, that is a best way to

Re: [EVDL] Best charge rate for longevity

2016-10-05 Thread Rush Dougherty via EV
Or you can follow the advice of an engineer from Tennessee that Tom True talked to - "The final recommendation from him was to discharge the pack to 10 miles or so in range (according to the instrumentation), and fully recharge about once a month to "refresh" the battery" Which totally contradicts

[EVDL] Best charge rate for longevity

2016-10-05 Thread Mark Hanson via EV
Thanks folks So if the Leaf charges at the 100% setting to 4.12vpc and 80% to 4.05vpc and battery university says max life of 2k cycles is at 4.00vpc then I should change my charge cut off at 80% for daily short trips of 15 miles typical. Plus since balancing occurs all the time there's no

Re: [EVDL] How to Prolong Lithium-based Batteries - Battery University

2016-10-05 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
Wow! > the Leaf BMS will still be balancing the cells[all the time], > [because] it has only 10mA balancing capacity... What then is the nomimal discharge current on level ground at 50 MPH? My SWAG guess might be 10 amps? That means only about 0.1% balancing capability? Maybe Im missing

Re: [EVDL] How to Prolong Lithium-based Batteries - Battery University

2016-10-05 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
Mark, The Leaf charges to approx 4.12V as "100%" (LeafSpy shows this around actual 90% real SoC - not always consistent, I have seen 89% and over 91%) and to approx 4.05V as "80%" (again, sometimes closer to 4.04 and sometimes closer to 4.06V) The lowest that I have ever seen my Leaf SoC was just

Re: [EVDL] Russco Manual Needed

2016-10-05 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Mike Brown via EV wrote: I am looking for a manual for a Russco SC-18-120 or SC-18-120 SO charger. Photocopy would be fine. I would be happy to pay postage & copying, or even the loan of a manual that I could copy myself and return. Please respond off list if you can help. What do you need to

[EVDL] How to Prolong Lithium-based Batteries - Battery University

2016-10-05 Thread Mark Hanson via EV
Hi folks It looks like in NMC lithium charging to 4.2 vpc is 300-500 cycles or to 4.1 is 600-1000 cycles or 4.0 is 2400-4000 cycles. Certainly overcharging is bad but I've seen other studies on high mileage Leafs in England that were 100% charged that showed little degradation after 50k miles.

[EVDL] Russco Manual Needed

2016-10-05 Thread Mike Brown via EV
I am looking for a manual for a Russco SC-18-120 or SC-18-120 SO charger. Photocopy would be fine. I would be happy to pay postage & copying, or even the loan of a manual that I could copy myself and return. Please respond off list if you can help. Thanks! Mike Brown

[EVDL] Answering Mark's question about Battery Monitoring

2016-10-05 Thread Steven Lough via EV
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Re: [EVDL] To fully charge or not to fully charge that isthequestion

2016-10-05 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
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Re: [EVDL] To fully charge or not to fully charge that isthequestion

2016-10-05 Thread Thos True via EV
ly recalibrates "bars" to manage their warranty threshold. >>> >>> ___ >>> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >>> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >>> Read EVAngel'

Re: [EVDL] To fully charge or not to fully charge that isthequestion

2016-10-05 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
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Re: [EVDL] To fully charge or not to fully charge that isthequestion

2016-10-05 Thread Thos True via EV
gel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag > racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Read EVAng

[EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20161005

2016-10-05 Thread brucedp5 via EV
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Re: [EVDL] To fully charge or not to fully charge that isthequestion

2016-10-05 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
Let's try that *with* the link: https://techcrunch.com/2016/09/29/tales-from-a-tesla-model-s-at-200k-mil es/ Cor van de Water Chief Scientist Proxim Wireless office +1 408 383 7626Skype: cor_van_de_water XoIP +31 87 784 1130private:

Re: [EVDL] To fully charge or not to fully charge that is thequestion

2016-10-05 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
Here is the article about the 200k mi Tesla (in 1 year) Note that Tesloop is actually aiming at putting 400k mi on their cars each year, so the 8 year warranty on battery and drivetrain would give them ~3 million miles under warranty... Their website has a blog with a few of the details, including