Re: [EVDL] 2035 GM will cease ICE production

2021-02-01 Thread Jay Summet via EV
The PlugShare App & Website lists a lot of them. (There are a lot of cities and businesses that put in no-charge EVSE's to attract businessor just because it's cheaper to give it away than pay the fees to maintain the accounting system to charge for it.) Jay On 2/1/21 7:34 AM, Dale Curren

Re: [EVDL] 2035 GM will cease ICE production

2021-02-01 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 1 Feb 2021 at 13:14, paul dove via EV wrote: > Every day in my Tesla Model S! You give out free charges in your Tesla? Presumably to other EVers, yes? That's a great idea - helping folks who might otherwise be stranded. How do you do that? Is the charging port bi-directional? Can you ch

Re: [EVDL] 2035 GM will cease ICE production

2021-02-01 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
I have an EV CHARGING OUTLET sign on the power pole down by the street over my L1 charging outlet. It would take a long time to get across country by using it, since it would take a day and a half for each full charge of a Model S for example and there is not much to do in my culdesac. It is list

Re: [EVDL] 2035 GM will cease ICE production

2021-02-01 Thread paul dove via EV
Every day in my Tesla Model S! Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Monday, February 1, 2021, 6:34 AM, Dale Curren via EV wrote: I want a list of these treehuggers who give out free charges.  Would be a fun challenge to get across the country on free electrons. On Sat, Jan 30, 2021 at 7:

Re: [EVDL] 2035 GM will cease ICE production

2021-02-01 Thread Dale Curren via EV
I want a list of these treehuggers who give out free charges. Would be a fun challenge to get across the country on free electrons. On Sat, Jan 30, 2021 at 7:41 PM EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: > On 30 Jan 2021 at 21:07, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote: > > > Once Joe Six Pack realizes he can D

Re: [EVDL] 2035 GM will cease ICE production

2021-01-31 Thread Lawrence Rhodes via EV
On 30 Jan 2021 at 21:07, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote: > Once Joe Six Pack realizes he can DIY a solar system and buy a used electric > vehicle for well under 20K attitudes are going to change. "Don't hold your breath.  We're split into tribes here in the US.  Haven't you noticed?  Even if t

Re: [EVDL] 2035 GM will cease ICE production

2021-01-30 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 30 Jan 2021 at 21:07, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote: > Once Joe Six Pack realizes he can DIY a solar system and buy a used electric > vehicle for well under 20K attitudes are going to change. Don't hold your breath. We're split into tribes here in the US. Haven't you noticed? Even if the

Re: [EVDL] 2035 GM will cease ICE production

2021-01-30 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
> but we try to do our part hoping that now is the time to put out > the sign planting a seed and hoping it will grow. Amen! THe EV Charging OUtlet sign is the most important part. Not so much for the 1%R that might actually need a charge but for the other 99% to see everyday and subliminally rea

Re: [EVDL] 2035 GM will cease ICE production

2021-01-30 Thread Ron Solberg via EV
I agree. IMHO, Joe Six Pack will also have need of 30 to 80 amp AC EVSE stations once he catches on. For whatever reason he will sometimes need a boost to get where he is going. Last week I was visited by an engineer from our power company to Ok the two 5.6KW Grid Feed PV arrays we had just put

Re: [EVDL] 2035 GM will cease ICE production

2021-01-30 Thread Lawrence Rhodes via EV
Once Joe Six Pack realizes he can DIY a solar system and buy a used electric vehicle for well under 20K attitudes are going to change. When car buyers realize they might not get their money's worth out of a new gas car purchase things will start to change very fast. You can't make your own gas o

Re: [EVDL] 2035 GM will cease ICE production

2021-01-29 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
Have they really gone “far beyond” settlement requirements? Many of their investments in EVs were mandated as part of the settlement agreement. I suspect it was a little of both, as they have been working on EVs (both battery and fuel cell electrics) for many years. But then, GM has also been

Re: [EVDL] 2035 GM will cease ICE production

2021-01-29 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 29 Jan 2021 at 11:47, Willie via EV wrote: > VW has gone far beyond their settlement requirements. They are showing > that they are serious about conversion to EVs. GM is just talking and > postponing. I'm not a VW executive, so I have no idea of their reasoning; but that could be partly

Re: [EVDL] 2035 GM will cease ICE production

2021-01-29 Thread Willie via EV
On 1/29/21 8:10 AM, paul dove via EV wrote: Well, it's not the same thing really. What GM did was legal. What VW did was illegal. VW got their hand slapped and this is the deal they made to make up for the deceit. Well, there is "illegal" and then there is reprehensible. VW has gone far

Re: [EVDL] 2035 GM will cease ICE production

2021-01-29 Thread Willie via EV
On 1/29/21 9:31 AM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: As far as GM's "crime" about NiMH, the biggest difference is that no one knows about it. Yes, everyone who's been on this list does. But if you were to ask random people, probably 99% don't know and probably don't know what NiMH is, either. Yo

Re: [EVDL] 2035 GM will cease ICE production

2021-01-29 Thread paul dove via EV
Well, it's not the same thing really. What GM did was legal. What VW did was illegal. VW got their hand slapped and this is the deal they made to make up for the deceit. On Friday, January 29, 2021, 6:49:04 AM CST, Willie via EV wrote: On 1/28/21 8:01 PM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote

Re: [EVDL] 2035 GM will cease ICE production

2021-01-29 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
f blowers ? https://quietcleanseattle.org/ >> -- Original Message -- From: "Willie via EV" To: ev@lists.evdl.org Cc: "Willie" Sent: 29-Jan-21 4:48:55 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] 2035 GM will cease ICE production On 1/28/21 8:01 PM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote:

Re: [EVDL] 2035 GM will cease ICE production

2021-01-29 Thread paul dove via EV
Yes, but statements like this GM one are nonsense. Elon repeatedly says the hurtle is battery production. He would have several different models already if he could make the batteries faster. I don’t see others building giga factories like Tesla so it’s a pipe dream and political showing. Sent

Re: [EVDL] 2035 GM will cease ICE production

2021-01-29 Thread Willie via EV
On 1/28/21 8:01 PM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: It's a long way off but, hey, they are making it official. https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2021/01/28/general-motors-electric/ Well, it IS great news! I see it as an act of desperation. Too little, too slow, too late. GM

Re: [EVDL] 2035 GM will cease ICE production

2021-01-29 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
Does anyone still disagree that we’ve passed the tipping point? - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Jan 28, 2021, at 6:01 PM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: > > It's a long way off but, hey, they are making it official. > > https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2021/01

Re: [EVDL] 2035 GM will cease ICE production

2021-01-29 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
That's pretty music, but it's just a new verse to an old song. How loudly GM sing it depends greatly on which way the political winds blow. In 1978, GM promised that by 1980 I'd be able to buy a Chevette EV. I'm still waiting. Pop quiz - what happened in US politics in 1980? Who was it who

Re: [EVDL] 2035 GM will cease ICE production

2021-01-28 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
I find it challenging when people fall back on the "well EV's are only 2% of production today" while ignoring the *growth* of doubling every year. That means 2% today. 4% in 2022, 8% in 2023, 16% in 2024, 32% in 2025, 64% in 2026 and DONE by 2027. If today's growth rate remains constant. It wont,

Re: [EVDL] 2035 GM will cease ICE production

2021-01-28 Thread Glenn Brooks via EV
Fantastic. This really is an incredibly fast sea change in society. More Incredible that the very foundations of the fossil fuel cartel are crumbling away underneath them - even as they stand up daily and lie about climate change impacts and warn against economic change. Sent from my iPad

[EVDL] 2035 GM will cease ICE production

2021-01-28 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
It's a long way off but, hey, they are making it official. https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2021/01/28/general-motors-electric/ GM has said it would invest $27 billion in electric vehicles and associated products between 2020 and 2025, ... includes refurbishing factories and