Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Buying An Electric Car: Why Charging Rate, DC Quick-Charging Matter

2015-10-21 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Oct 20, 2015, at 11:05 PM, Mike Nickerson via EV wrote: > True. I actually meant I've only seen 20A outlets in commercial > installations. My house is wired with 20A circuits and 15A outlets. Hmmm...I may well be confused. I just checked my panel. Most of the regular

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Buying An Electric Car: Why Charging Rate, DC Quick-Charging Matter

2015-10-21 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
is message is prohibited. -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Ben Goren via EV Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 9:43 AM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Buying An Electric Car: Why Charging Rate,DC Quick-Charging Matter

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Buying An Electric Car: Why Charging Rate, DC Quick-Charging Matter

2015-10-21 Thread Roland via EV
g> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 10:43 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Buying An Electric Car: Why Charging Rate,DC Quick-Charging Matter On Oct 20, 2015, at 11:05 PM, Mike Nickerson via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org<mailto:ev@lists.evdl.org>> wrote: > True. I actually meant

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Buying An Electric Car: Why Charging Rate, DC Quick-Charging Matter

2015-10-21 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Oct 21, 2015, at 4:08 PM, Roland wrote: > A electrical worker say he has install a 30 amp circuit, may only mean that > the wire size is rated for 24 amps at 50 foot circuit run or 16 amps at a 70 > foot run for a 1 percent voltage drop. I don't remember the actual gauge wire

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Buying An Electric Car: Why Charging Rate, DC Quick-Charging Matter

2015-10-21 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Roland via EV Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 4:08 PM To: Ben Goren; Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Buying An Electric Car: Why Charging Rate,DC Quick-Charging Matter You can install a 15 or 20 amp 125 volt rated receptacle

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Buying An Electric Car: Why Charging Rate, DC Quick-Charging Matter

2015-10-21 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 20 Oct 2015 at 22:41, SLPinfo.org via EV wrote: > They have been debating since day 1 whether to add a 220v outlet in their > garage. The debate is because it would be an expensive install (awkward > placement of breaker box, not in garage). That can make a HUGE difference. For my current

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Buying An Electric Car: Why Charging Rate, DC Quick-Charging Matter

2015-10-21 Thread Mike Nickerson via EV
True. I actually meant I've only seen 20A outlets in commercial installations. My house is wired with 20A circuits and 15A outlets. On October 20, 2015 10:36:44 PM MDT, EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: >On 20 Oct 2015 at 19:34, Mike Nickerson via EV wrote: > >> I've seen

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Buying An Electric Car: Why Charging Rate, DC Quick-Charging Matter

2015-10-20 Thread dovepa via EV
t;, Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.evdl.org> Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Buying An Electric Car: Why Charging Rate, DC Quick-Charging Matter On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 3:44 PM, Robert Bruninga via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: > It is unsustainable to expect that people

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Buying An Electric Car: Why Charging Rate, DC Quick-Charging Matter

2015-10-20 Thread tomw via EV
"If you figure 3 miles per kWh for a typical EV, you'll recharge at about 10 MPH from a standard 110 circuit." Charging at 3.3kW would indeed permit about 10 mph charging rate but I think you won't find many 120V rms outlets that will supply the required 28A rms current or 30A at 110V. You may

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Buying An Electric Car: Why Charging Rate, DC Quick-Charging Matter

2015-10-20 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 20 Oct 2015 at 8:42, Ben Goren via EV wrote: > All the garages I'm familiar with have 30A circuits. Garages typically get > used for power equipment like saws that need heavy draws. If there's a single > 30A circuit in the entire house, it'll be in the garage. I'm confused here. Are you

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Buying An Electric Car: Why Charging Rate, DC Quick-Charging Matter

2015-10-20 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Oct 19, 2015, at 2:24 PM, Jim Walls wrote: > I've never lived in an apartment, but I know people who often have to park > blocks from home because that's the closest parking. It might be a zoning thing here, but every apartment complex in the Phoenix area is pretty much

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Buying An Electric Car: Why Charging Rate, DC Quick-Charging Matter

2015-10-20 Thread Ben Goren via EV
All the garages I'm familiar with have 30A circuits. Garages typically get used for power equipment like saws that need heavy draws. If there's a single 30A circuit in the entire house, it'll be in the garage. ...and that's the case with houses built as far back as the Carter administration.

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Buying An Electric Car: Why Charging Rate, DC Quick-Charging Matter

2015-10-20 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
, October 19, 2015 7:32 PM *To:* Robert Bruninga; Electric Vehicle Discussion List *Subject:* Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Buying An Electric Car: Why Charging Rate, DC Quick-Charging Matter On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 3:44 PM, Robert Bruninga via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: It is unsustainable to expect that

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Buying An Electric Car: Why Charging Rate, DC Quick-Charging Matter

2015-10-20 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
rg Cc: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.evdl.org> Sent: 20-Oct-15 8:38:26 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Buying An Electric Car: Why Charging Rate, DC Quick-Charging Matter On Oct 19, 2015, at 2:24 PM, Jim Walls <j...@k6ccc.org> wrote: I've never lived in an apart

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Buying An Electric Car: Why Charging Rate, DC Quick-Charging Matter

2015-10-20 Thread Mike Nickerson via EV
Same experience in Idaho as David's in Ohio. The entire garage is wired with one circuit, using 15A outlets. I've seen 20A circuits, but only in commercial installations. I've never seen a 30A outlet that was 120V. Mike On October 20, 2015 1:24:45 PM MDT, EVDL Administrator via EV

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Buying An Electric Car: Why Charging Rate, DC Quick-Charging Matter

2015-10-20 Thread Mike Beem via EV
I have a 30 amp 120 volt outlet under my house which is used for "shore power" for my 5th wheel RV. That is the only application I have ever seen it used in. I run a 10 gauge 3 wire "extension cord" out to the RV. Michael B On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 6:34 PM, Mike Nickerson via EV

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Buying An Electric Car: Why Charging Rate, DC Quick-Charging Matter

2015-10-20 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 20 Oct 2015 at 19:34, Mike Nickerson via EV wrote: > I've seen 20A circuits, but only in commercial installations. You'll see plenty of 20a branch circuits in homes - all newer homes are wired this way - but 20a receptacles on them are indeed pretty rare. This is because the code has an

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Buying An Electric Car: Why Charging Rate, DC Quick-Charging Matter

2015-10-20 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
[mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of EVDL Administrator via EV Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2015 9:37 PM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Buying An Electric Car: Why Charging Rate,DC Quick-Charging Matter On 20 Oct 2015 at 19:34, Mike Nickerson via EV wrote

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2015-10-20 Thread SLPinfo.org via EV
g of any part of this > message is prohibited. > > > -Original Message- > From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of EVDL > Administrator via EV > Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2015 9:37 PM > To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List > Subject: Re: [EVDL

[EVDL] EVLN: Buying An Electric Car: Why Charging Rate, DC Quick-Charging Matter

2015-10-19 Thread brucedp5 via EV
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/110_buying-an-electric-car-why-charging-rate-dc-quick-charging-matter Buying An Electric Car: Why Charging Rate, DC Quick-Charging Matter By John Voelcker Oct 14, 2015 ht2 Brian Henderson [images

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Buying An Electric Car: Why Charging Rate, DC Quick-Charging Matter

2015-10-19 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 19 Oct 2015 at 10:23, Ben Goren via EV wrote: > I think it's safe to suggest that, before long, it'll be as difficult > to find apartment complexes that lack 110 outlets for residents in > their already-designated spaces as it is today to find apartment > complexes lacking cable (etc.) TV and

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Buying An Electric Car: Why Charging Rate, DC Quick-Charging Matter

2015-10-19 Thread damon henry via EV
... damon > Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 15:44:14 -0400 > To: pe...@kotatko.com; ev@lists.evdl.org > Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Buying An Electric Car: Why Charging Rate, DC > Quick-Charging Matter > From: ev@lists.evdl.org > > It is unsustainable to expect that people withou

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Buying An Electric Car: Why Charging Rate, DC Quick-Charging Matter

2015-10-19 Thread Jim Walls via EV
Jim From: "Ben Goren via EV" <ev@lists.evdl.org> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 10:24 AM To: "Peri Hartman" <pe...@kotatko.com>, "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.evdl.org> Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Buying An Elec

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Buying An Electric Car: Why Charging Rate, DC Quick-Charging Matter

2015-10-19 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
till complete... bob -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Peri Hartman via EV Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 12:58 PM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Buying An Electric Car: Why Charging Rate, DC Quick-Charging Matter

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Buying An Electric Car: Why Charging Rate, DC Quick-Charging Matter

2015-10-19 Thread robert winfield via EV
Hartman via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.evdl.org> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Buying An Electric Car: Why Charging Rate, DC Quick-Charging Matter Don't forget that there is a huge percentage, 30% to 5

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Buying An Electric Car: Why Charging Rate, DC Quick-Charging Matter

2015-10-19 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Oct 19, 2015, at 9:57 AM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: > Don't forget that there is a huge percentage, 30% to 50% depending on how you > measure, who don't have consistent access to dedicated off street charging. Almost all those people are apartment dwellers. And I think

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Buying An Electric Car: Why Charging Rate, DC Quick-Charging Matter

2015-10-19 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
[mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Jim Walls via EV Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 2:25 PM To: Ben Goren; Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Buying An Electric Car: Why Charging Rate,DC Quick-Charging Matter Peri said: > Don't forget that there is a h

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Buying An Electric Car: Why Charging Rate, DC Quick-Charging Matter

2015-10-19 Thread Chris Tromley via EV
On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 3:44 PM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: > It is unsustainable to expect that people without EV charging at home or > at work (both can be 115 volt) will be happy to leave their cars for hours > every day somewhewre else every single day. Or that there

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Buying An Electric Car: Why Charging Rate, DC Quick-Charging Matter

2015-10-19 Thread Brandon Hines via EV
e Discussion List <ev@lists.evdl.org> > Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 12:57 PM > Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Buying An Electric Car: Why Charging Rate, DC > Quick-Charging Matter > > Don't forget that there is a huge percentage, 30% to 50% depending on > how you measure

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Buying An Electric Car: Why Charging Rate, DC Quick-Charging Matter

2015-10-19 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
t;; "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.evdl.org>; "brucedp5" <bruce...@operamail.com> Sent: 19-Oct-15 9:43:53 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Buying An Electric Car: Why Charging Rate, DC Quick-Charging Matter What they actually don't understand is tha

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Buying An Electric Car: Why Charging Rate, DC Quick-Charging Matter

2015-10-19 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Oct 19, 2015, at 3:24 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote: > In broad strokes, if you're confident that you can charge your car at home > every night--or at work every day--then recharge rate may not be quite so > important. They're handwaving away the most important point. People

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Buying An Electric Car: Why Charging Rate, DC Quick-Charging Matter

2015-10-19 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Ben Goren via EV Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 12:40 PM To: brucedp5; Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Buying An Electric Car: Why Charging Rate, DC Quick-Charging Matter On Oct 19, 2015, at 3:24 AM, brucedp5 via EV <ev@lists.evdl.