Don't forget. What you get from the solar panels is gravy. You battery pack
is the reservoir. Stella which is very efficient can go 40 mph on just the
solar array under perfect conditions. You take what you can get and if it's
not enough just use J1772. You will be driving under all
Michael Ross via EV wrote:
A sail is impractical, unmanageable, a very good way to tip over with out
a keel or daggerboard.
Pedaling adds almost nothing as most of us have a hard time producing
100Watts continuously.
So called small wind energy is a money pit with no real payback
Geothermal
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On Mar 31, 2015, at 11:15 AM, Michael Ross via EV ev@lists.evdl.org
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So called small wind energy is a money pit with no
real payback - you need an exceptional location for a small
Lee,
I would disagree that small wind power works well. There are no reliable
efficient small wind turbines (which is why the companies that make them
keep going out of business). We had the best of the recent ones a 2.4kW
Skystream at my work, but Skystream is out of business - failed.
We also
On Mar 31, 2015, at 11:15 AM, Michael Ross via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
So called small wind energy is a money pit with no
real payback - you need an exceptional location for a small turbine to be
worth the effort.
Wind and hydro are just diluted forms of solar. On a planetary scale, they
: 31-Mar-15 12:24:47 PM
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On Mar 31, 2015, at 12:12 PM, Peri Hartman via EV ev@lists.evdl.org
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Thus, if the power companies were to continue to charge the same rate
for electricity from pumped storage, they are making a better
On Mar 31, 2015, at 12:12 PM, Peri Hartman via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
Thus, if the power companies were to continue to charge the same rate for
electricity from pumped storage, they are making a better ROI than from
building out new traditional power plants.
Your analysis passes the
A sail is impractical, unmanageable, a very good way to tip over with out
a keel or daggerboard. Please do not try this.
Pedaling adds almost nothing as most of us have a hard time producing
100Watts continuously. Although it is good for you.
You may notice that wind energy is only very high
From: Ben Goren via EV ev@lists.evdl.org
the hydro niches are long since already developed
Without arguing with your main point that PV is the largest market, I think
your statement is not true and unfair to those who do have microhydro potential.
Relatively small streams can generate
On Mar 31, 2015, at 12:41 PM, Peri Hartman via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
Ben, if you can install enough batteries, as I believe you have, to go
completely off the grid, then of course there's no advantage to the power
company.
I don't have batteries yet and no plans to install them until
On Mar 31, 2015, at 2:02 PM, Jan Steinman via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
Micro-hydro remains the most economical, trouble-free way for anyone with a
stream and 100+ feet of head to obtain electric power. Granted, only a small
minority meet those specifications, but I would submit that most
I had some brain storms with the placement of solar panels. In a sedan simply
cover the back of the back seats in panels. Cover the dash, hood, top and
trunk. In a fastback/hatchback like lets say an Aspire make a cover for the
trunk out of solar panels. Virtually the whole square footage of
We were talking about this a week or two ago. Lawrence will be plugging
in, but he is optimistic that this can be minimized. I think he is in the
Bay area though, so clouds may be an issue.
On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 3:29 PM, Ben Goren via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
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There is a case for cars that get used very little (infrequent or
very short drives) and can be parked in full sun
(like on a parking deck top floor, no trees or other
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On Mar 30, 2015, at 1:13 PM, Cor van de Water via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
There is a case for cars that get used very little (infrequent or very short
drives) and can be parked in full sun
(like on a parking deck
On Mar 30, 2015, at 12:19 PM, Cor van de Water via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
It is simple: measure the surface area of the car and multiply by the
expected PV efficiency,
then you know why a Solar Racer needs full sun overhead most of the day *and*
be an extreme car
to achieve any speed
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We were talking about this a week or two ago. Lawrence will be plugging in,
but he is optimistic that this can be minimized. I think he is in the Bay area
though, so clouds
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Well, it might make sense for the special-case commute where your pack
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I had some brain storms with the placement of solar panels. In a sedan simply
cover the back
On Mar 30, 2015, at 1:13 PM, Cor van de Water via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
There is a case for cars that get used very little (infrequent or very short
drives) and can be parked in full sun
(like on a parking deck top floor, no trees or other buildings) so you can
gain charge over
Ben Goren via EV wrote:
...and it's worse than even that. The angle from the Sun to the
panels matters a great deal. A panel at right angles to the incoming
light receives the maximum amount of energy; a panel parallel to the
light receives zero energy.
Agreed. There are some tricks, though.
Agreed.
The 'solar garage' has so many benefits.
The placement of the cells can be (more or less) optimized for charging.
The panels can be fairly standard ones and so relatively cheaper.
The dump pack can provide emergency power for the freezer and other essential
items.
The space underneath
On Mar 30, 2015, at 1:31 PM, Peri Hartman via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
Well, it might make sense for the special-case commute where your pack isn't
large enough to make a round trip but, with solar panels charging during the
day, you top off enough to get home.
...and then, when it's
On Mar 30, 2015, at 2:16 PM, Cor van de Water via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
I am sure that he won't start until things are clearer for him and he is
getting
our input for just that - advice in which direction to go.
Well...in that case, my advice would be an awful lot of budgeting --
I think this is a work in progress. If you remember John Wayland his Blue
Meanie and White Zombie have had many revisions. So far Stella the Solar
Taxi are the best examples of viable vehicles. You could start with a moped
speed vehicle at 2kw and work your way up to a road going vehicle.
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On Mar 30, 2015, at 3:06 PM, Lee Hart via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
But overall, the amount of power you can get from the sun in a normal-sized
is very limited. That pretty much forces you to concentrate on vehicle
efficiency. Extremely light, with exceptionally good aerodynamics and very
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I don't speak for Lawrence, but it looks to me as if he's is on a quest.
He saw the Stella solar vehicle (look it up online) when it came through his
area several months back. As you can see from the Stella's website
I don't speak for Lawrence, but it looks to me as if he's is on a quest.
He saw the Stella solar vehicle (look it up online) when it came through
his area several months back. As you can see from the Stella's website, its
builders are flogging the PR donkey hard, hoping to land a deal to get
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On Mar 30
On Mar 30, 2015, at 1:31 PM, Cor van de Water via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
I am able to reduce my foot print and I chose to do that using
an EV and buying green electricity...
That's why, when I put a bunch of panels on my roof some years back, I
intentionally oversized it so I could power
On Mar 30, 2015, at 1:49 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV ev@lists.evdl.org
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I say more power (sorry ;-) to Lawrence and wish him the best. I
wish I lived nearby, so I could watch and cheer him on.
There's a big part of me that wants to wish him the best with the project...but
there's
First of all for those of you that don't know the bay area including it seems
Cor(who lives close by) there are many micro climates. My neighborhood is very
sunny most of the day almost every day. The fog comes in at night. There are
famous pictures of the fog cresting Noe Valley. So sun is
Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote:
I think this is a work in progress. If you remember John Wayland his Blue Meanie and
White Zombie have had many revisions. So far Stella the Solar Taxi are the best
examples of viable vehicles. You could start with a moped speed vehicle at 2kw and
work your
Hello, my first comment I think, hope I do it right!
On Solar, some things need clarifying:
1. Area and angle of car-mounted collectors. Yes, at 90 degrees to sun is
best, but at 45 degrees you will still get near 70% energy. That is
perhaps a useful cut-off point to avoid expense and weight
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