Re: [EVDL] Where 20 amp receptacles are required

2016-01-22 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 22 Jan 2016 at 18:41, Cor van de Water via EV wrote: > Already one of the outlets of the power strip has failed, but it has 6 Manufacturers such as Hammond and Tripp-Lite make good industrial quality power strips, but you won't find them at your local orange or blue big box store. Folks who

Re: [EVDL] Where 20 amp receptacles are required

2016-01-22 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Where 20 amp receptacles are required On 21 Jan 2016 at 9:36, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: > I wonder if there is a PLUG-IN heavier duty plug/socket combo. You > plug it in once and then do your plugging and unplugging from it. That's an interesting idea. It would

Re: [EVDL] Where 20 amp receptacles are required

2016-01-21 Thread Al Lumas via EV
At 08:35 AM 1/21/2016, EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: On 21 Jan 2016 at 9:36, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: > I wonder if there is a PLUG-IN heavier duty plug/socket combo. You > plug it in once and then do your plugging and unplugging from it. That's an interesting idea. It would probably

Re: [EVDL] Where 20 amp receptacles are required

2016-01-21 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 21 Jan 2016 at 9:36, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: > I wonder if there is a PLUG-IN heavier duty plug/socket combo. You > plug it in once and then do your plugging and unplugging from it. That's an interesting idea. It would probably be more expensive that just changing the receptacle whe

Re: [EVDL] Where 20 amp receptacles are required

2016-01-21 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Where 20 amp receptacles are required On Jan 20, 2016, at 11:13 AM, Bill Dube via EV wrote: > If you are planning on plugging in an EV daily into a 120 volt outlet, you would likely want to eventually change it out for a "hospital grade" type receptacle. These are re

Re: [EVDL] Where 20 amp receptacles are required

2016-01-20 Thread Ben Apollonio via EV
On Jan 20, 2016, at 11:13 AM, Bill Dube via EV wrote: > If you are planning on plugging in an EV daily into a 120 volt outlet, you > would likely want to eventually change it out for a "hospital grade" type > receptacle. These are really designed to take constant, daily, disconnection > and re

Re: [EVDL] Where 20 amp receptacles are required

2016-01-20 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 20 Jan 2016 at 11:32, dovepa via EV wrote: > One can measure the diameter of the wire to determine gaugeĀ  True. Also, once you've worked with solid #12 and #14 wire a few times, you'll know by looking at it and/or bending it which size it is. Stranded, it's a little harder to tell. One wa

Re: [EVDL] Where 20 amp receptacles are required

2016-01-20 Thread dovepa via EV
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Where 20 amp receptacles are required On 01/20/2016 11:33 AM, Bill Dube via EV wrote: > Keep in mind that there is nothing to prevent someone from replacing the > 15 amp receptacle on a 15 amp circuit with a 20 amp receptacle. You can > still only draw 12 amps. Th

Re: [EVDL] Where 20 amp receptacles are required

2016-01-20 Thread John Lussmyer via EV
On Wed Jan 20 09:16:02 PST 2016 ev@lists.evdl.org said: >The easiest way to identify a breaker is to plug something into the >outlet and flip breakers until it goes out. A loud radio works if you >can hear that far. If not, a second person on a cell phone is ideal. If >you're alone, turn off all th

Re: [EVDL] Where 20 amp receptacles are required

2016-01-20 Thread Rick Beebe via EV
On 01/20/2016 11:33 AM, Bill Dube via EV wrote: Keep in mind that there is nothing to prevent someone from replacing the 15 amp receptacle on a 15 amp circuit with a 20 amp receptacle. You can still only draw 12 amps. The circuit capacity is what you care about, not so much the style of receptacl

Re: [EVDL] Where 20 amp receptacles are required (was: Leaf Chargers)

2016-01-20 Thread dovepa via EV
Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] Where 20 amp receptacles are required (was: Leaf Chargers) I have been thinking (dangerous I know) Is there a way for an instrument (live ohmmeter / ammeter) or an electronic circuit to recognize the gauge (and surmise the amperage protection likely

Re: [EVDL] Where 20 amp receptacles are required (was: Leaf Chargers)

2016-01-20 Thread dovepa via EV
Better check the wire and breaker before changing outlets. Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone Original message From: Mike Nickerson via EV Date: 1/20/2016 8:20 AM (GMT-06:00) To: Bill Dube , Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] Where 20 amp

Re: [EVDL] Where 20 amp receptacles are required

2016-01-20 Thread Bill Dube via EV
Keep in mind that there is nothing to prevent someone from replacing the 15 amp receptacle on a 15 amp circuit with a 20 amp receptacle. You can still only draw 12 amps. The circuit capacity is what you care about, not so much the style of receptacle. The only method I am aware of to determine

Re: [EVDL] Where 20 amp receptacles are required

2016-01-20 Thread Bill Dube via EV
It is true that 20 amp circuits typically have 15 amp receptacles installed. The difference is that 15 amp receptacles have two plain straight slots (plus the round ground opening) and the 20 amp receptacle has a neutral slot (right hand slot) with an additional horizontal slit added to accom

Re: [EVDL] Where 20 amp receptacles are required (was: Leaf Chargers)

2016-01-20 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 20 Jan 2016 at 8:03, Mike Nickerson via EV wrote: > You could have a 15A > outlet with 20A wiring, but I wouldn't try to draw 16A from it. While the > wiring could take it, the outlet isn't rated for it. If you take two "commercial duty" receptacles apart, one rated 15a and the other 20a, yo

Re: [EVDL] Where 20 amp receptacles are required (was: Leaf Chargers)

2016-01-20 Thread Mike Nickerson via EV
If everyone is following the rules, you shouldn't need that. From the outlet, you should be able to assume the wiring behind it. You could have a 15A outlet with 20A wiring, but I wouldn't try to draw 16A from it. While the wiring could take it, the outlet isn't rated for it. Tesla has a syst

Re: [EVDL] Where 20 amp receptacles are required (was: Leaf Chargers)

2016-01-20 Thread Seth Rothenberg via EV
I have been thinking (dangerous I know) Is there a way for an instrument (live ohmmeter / ammeter) or an electronic circuit to recognize the gauge (and surmise the amperage protection likely in place) ? eg, measuring ohms from neutral to ground, (for 120 circuits) or doing a millisecond high-load

Re: [EVDL] Where 20 amp receptacles are required (was: Leaf Chargers)

2016-01-20 Thread Mike Nickerson via EV
While the circuit in the garage is probably 20A, it may be wired with 15A outlets. They are pretty easy to change, though. If I were going to charge an EV on a 120V outlet regularly, I would probably change it anyway. Most home construction uses light duty outlets that aren't built to take th

[EVDL] Where 20 amp receptacles are required (was: Leaf Chargers)

2016-01-20 Thread Bill Dube via EV
Paul, There are a number of places in your home that are _required_ by the national electrical code to have dedicated 20 amp circuits for the 120V receptacles. There are at a minimum five (5) 20 amp 120V receptacle circuits in a modern house: https://dbs.idaho.gov/programs/electrical/publicat