Re: [EVDL] Tesla settles with family

2024-04-09 Thread John Lussmyer via EV
On 4/9/2024 4:18 PM, EV List Lackey via EV wrote: response to "Tesla" among the non-EV-fans I talk to is usually either "battery fires" or "autopilot accidents." Battery Fires I place the blame squarely on the Media. Gas cars burn FREQUENTLY, and those often don't even make the local news

Re: [EVDL] Tesla settles with family

2024-04-09 Thread EV List Lackey via EV
It's curious. Tesla has won previous cases by convincing juries that they'd provided enough disclaimers. They almost took this one to trial too, but agreed to settle at the last minute. What changed their minds? Is there something in this case about the cars that they didn't want made

Re: [EVDL] Tesla settles with family

2024-04-09 Thread Ron via EV
Regarding pedal misapplication, I think you nailed it. I'm a pretty old guy, so my driver training might have been different than what is available now. Driver training #1: my dad was an amateur stock car racer and stunt driver. He taught us quite a few neat things. One of the things he taught

Re: [EVDL] Tesla settles with family

2024-04-09 Thread John Lussmyer via EV
On 4/9/2024 12:00 PM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: John, I agree with all your points. However, I don't think they really answer my question. Let me try to rephrase. If you are driving with FSD and paying full attention, what is FSD doing for you ? If your attention lapses and FSD keeps you

Re: [EVDL] Tesla settles with family

2024-04-09 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
--- Original Message -- From: "John Lussmyer via EV" To: "Peri Hartman via EV" Cc: "John Lussmyer" Sent: 09-Apr-24 08:18:28 Subject: Re: [EVDL] Tesla settles with family On 4/9/2024 7:46 AM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: So, I've never driven a tesla, or any car

Re: [EVDL] Tesla settles with family

2024-04-09 Thread (-Phil-) via EV
The AP (Auto Pilot) architecture in Tesla's current vehicles is complex, but to break it down, there is what Tesla calls the APE (Auto Pilot ECU) which has 2 mostly identical processing sections, one as primary and one as secondary. They run identical software and if one fails, the other can

Re: [EVDL] Tesla settles with family

2024-04-09 Thread John Lussmyer via EV
On 4/9/2024 7:46 AM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: So, I've never driven a tesla, or any car with some level of self driving. What I'm wondering is, if you keep your hands on the wheel and an eye on the road, are you driving or is FSD driving ? Alternatively, if you lapse your attention, even

Re: [EVDL] Tesla settles with family

2024-04-09 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
, will you have time to regain control ? Peri << Annoyed by leaf blowers ? https://quietcleanseattle.org/ >> -- Original Message -- From: "Mark Hanson via EV" To: "CHRISTINE HANSON" Cc: "Mark Hanson" ; "Electric List" Sent: 09-Apr-2

[EVDL] Tesla settles with family

2024-04-09 Thread Mark Hanson via EV
Thanks Christine I had two friends that crashed their Tesla 3s while using Auto Pilot or self driving on curvy roads that dropped out (one into a tree and the other into a building.) Luckily they survived but since the one computer dropped out, there was no accident recording. You can’t have