On 06 Oct 2012, at 02:37, Stephen P. King wrote:
Hi Folks,
http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0810/0810.4339.pdf
Mathematical Foundations of Consciousness
Willard L. Miranker, Gregg J. Zuckerman
(Submitted on 23 Oct 2008)
We employ the Zermelo-Fraenkel Axioms that characterize sets as
On 05 Oct 2012, at 19:39, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 10/5/2012 11:13 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Hi Richard, Stephen, Roger,
Dual aspect theories are plausibly incompatible with comp. In that
sense Craig is more coherent, but Stephen, and Chalmers, seems not.
They avoid the comp necessary
On 10/6/2012 3:27 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 05 Oct 2012, at 19:39, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 10/5/2012 11:13 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Hi Richard, Stephen, Roger,
Dual aspect theories are plausibly incompatible with comp. In that
sense Craig is more coherent, but Stephen, and Chalmers,
On 06 Oct 2012, at 09:52, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 10/6/2012 3:27 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 05 Oct 2012, at 19:39, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 10/5/2012 11:13 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Hi Richard, Stephen, Roger,
Dual aspect theories are plausibly incompatible with comp. In
that sense
On 05 Oct 2012, at 18:58, John Clark wrote:
On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
To paraphrase Carl, 'First, you have to invent the universe.'
You want to know why there is something rather than nothing and
Science can't provide a good answer to that, but
On 06 Oct 2012, at 04:55, Russell Standish wrote:
On Fri, Oct 05, 2012 at 06:59:11PM -0700, meekerdb wrote:
On 10/5/2012 6:48 PM, Russell Standish wrote:
On Fri, Oct 05, 2012 at 06:32:21PM -0700, meekerdb wrote:
Do we have any reason to believe ideas reproduce with variation and
then those
On 06 Oct 2012, at 06:04, Jason Resch wrote:
On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 10:12 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
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On 10/5/2012 8:00 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 8:32 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
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On 10/5/2012 4:56 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
On Fri, Oct
Hi lennartn
Thanks, LN,
I ordered a copy. Stephen might be insterested in
looking at the table of contents at amazon ,
it has a chapter on (w)holes.
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
10/6/2012
Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen
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Hi Bruno Marchal
I understand that comp does not include subjectivity,
but that's just explicitly. Perhaps something can be made of the
results, like extract energy (structure, which I take to be an
essential of consciousness) from the results. Hmmm.
That would be a numerical caclulation.
Hi Bruno Marchal
Perhaps mind, like Maxwell's Demon, makes sense of
raw experience. Finds structure or whatever. That's
called Secondness.
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
10/6/2012
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Hi Bruno Marchal
I wonder if something like this, used as a (Secondness) filter on the
(Firstness)
output of comp , could provide (Thirdness) structured consciousness.
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
10/6/2012
Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen
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Hi Bruno Marchal
IMHO mind is constructive mathematics,
creating meaningful structures from raw experience.
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
10/6/2012
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From: Bruno Marchal
http://www.friesian.com/kant.htm
Kant's Copernican Revolution
Kant's most original contribution to philosophy is his Copernican
Revolution,
that, as he puts it, it is the representation that makes the object possible
rather than the object that makes the representation possible. This
Hi Stathis Papaioannou
Where did the laws of physics and chemistry come
from that enable it to work ? The Tooth Fairy ?
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
10/6/2012
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Hi Stephen P. King
I'm no mathematician, so what do I know, but
Russell's paradox would seem to be an alternate
incompleteness theorem to Godel's.
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
10/6/2012
Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen
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Hi Stephen P. King
IMHO A universe with 0 objects could still contain Mind--
which had to be there before the universe was created.
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
10/6/2012
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Hi meekerdb and all,
Perhaps I am missing something. Isn't this a false dilemma ?
Why couldn't evolution and reason exist together ?
For there must be a reason for everything that happens.
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
10/6/2012
Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody
Hi Richard Ruquist
I think that the empty or missing pieces to the jigsaw
puzzle are simply intelligence, which like life itself, is goal-oriented.
Intelligence is not a bottom-up activity, it is a top-down activity.
It is also goal-oriented, so it has to be explained by Aristotle's
end
Hi meekerdb
No, I haven't read them, but if they had
a sensible explanation of the creation of life
from inert matter, we'd all have heard of it by now.
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
10/6/2012
Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen
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Hi Roger Clough,
On 06 Oct 2012, at 12:46, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Bruno Marchal
I understand that comp does not include subjectivity,
but that's just explicitly.
?
Comp is defined by the invariance of subjectivity for some transforms,
so it includes subjectivity at the start.
And, in
Yes, but it is also in its infancy. With Aczel's work not 30 years old, and
this admittedly weak analogy to consciousness only a few years old, which
Aczel does not seem to be following up on himself:
http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~petera/papers.html
My point is, this is very young, what's young is
On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 10:06 PM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote:
Hi Stathis Papaioannou
Where did the laws of physics and chemistry come
from that enable it to work ? The Tooth Fairy ?
Yes, the Tooth Fairy. I know this because I read it in a book, and the
book said that every word was
Roger,
In string theory the laws and constants of physics and chemistry come
from the 6-d Calabi-Yau Compact Manifolds which are like the Leibnitz
monads and/or the Indra Pearls of Buddhism. They number about 10^90/cc
through out the universe, whereas there are about 10^90 particles in
the
On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 12:14 AM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.netwrote:
On 10/6/2012 1:02 AM, Jason Resch wrote:
On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 6:54 PM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.netwrote:
On 9/29/2012 10:11 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Indeed. I think 17 is intrinsically a prime
Hi Bruno Marchal
How does comp include subjectivity ?
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
10/6/2012
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Hi Stathis Papaioannou
Don't avoid my question please.
Where do the laws of physics come from ?
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
10/6/2012
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On 10/6/2012 8:54 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote:
Yes, but it is also in its infancy. With Aczel's work not 30 years
old, and this admittedly weak analogy to consciousness only a few
years old, which Aczel does not seem to be following up on himself:
On 10/6/2012 10:40 AM, Jason Resch wrote:
On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 12:14 AM, Stephen P. King
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On 10/6/2012 1:02 AM, Jason Resch wrote:
On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 6:54 PM, Stephen P. King
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On 10/6/2012 12:27 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
You mean: all person have an infinity of relative incarnation in arithmetic. This is not
entirely trivial to prove. You can't attribute to people statements they don't make. If
they did not ignore the 1p-indeterminacy, they would not assume matter.
I have read a nice paper
Jordi Cat
Into the ‘regions of physical and metaphysical chaos’: Maxwell’s
scientific metaphysics and natural philosophy of action (agency,
determinacy and necessity from theology, moral philosophy and history to
mathematics, theory and experiment)
Studies in History
On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 6:29 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote:
I'm openly saying that a high school kid can make a robot that behaves
sensibly with just a few transistors.
Only because he lives in a universe in which the possibility of
teleology is fully supported from the
On 06 Oct 2012, at 18:06, meekerdb wrote:
On 10/6/2012 12:27 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
You mean: all person have an infinity of relative incarnation in
arithmetic. This is not entirely trivial to prove. You can't
attribute to people statements they don't make. If they did not
ignore the
Hi Roger Clough,
On 06 Oct 2012, at 16:47, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Bruno Marchal
How does comp include subjectivity ?
As I said, comp is a bet on a form of reincarnation, as you accept to
change your body for a new (digital) one.
Comp, by definition, at least the one I gave, is the bet
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