Re: Sean Carroll: Universe a 'tiny sliver' of all there is

2019-09-18 Thread smitra
On 18-09-2019 20:10, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: On 9/18/2019 1:33 AM, Alan Grayson wrote: But suppose you flip a coin and while it's in the air, you write its wf. Since the prevailing belief is that all objects are quantum objects, why can't one suppose that the two terms in the

Re: What is Mechanism, Bruno style?

2019-09-18 Thread Alan Grayson
On Wednesday, September 18, 2019 at 4:02:09 AM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: > > I think he means one can replace a human brain and/or nervous system with > computer microchips and consciousness will be preserved, or perfectly > simulated so the person who says "Yes doctor", will awake from the

Re: What is Mechanism, Bruno style?

2019-09-18 Thread Alan Grayson
On Wednesday, September 18, 2019 at 1:37:19 PM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: > > > > On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 3:30 PM Alan Grayson > wrote: > > >> * > there's more, much more to dictionaries, than you claim.* >> > > There is more, much more in a dictionary than definitions made of words > that are

Re: What is Mechanism, Bruno style?

2019-09-18 Thread 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
On 9/18/2019 5:39 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: I On Thu, 19 Sep 2019 at 10:17, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: On 9/18/2019 3:22 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Thu, 19 Sep 2019 at 08:16, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything

Re: What is Mechanism, Bruno style?

2019-09-18 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
I On Thu, 19 Sep 2019 at 10:17, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > > On 9/18/2019 3:22 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > > On Thu, 19 Sep 2019 at 08:16, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > >> >> >> On

Re: What is Mechanism, Bruno style?

2019-09-18 Thread 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
On 9/18/2019 3:22 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Thu, 19 Sep 2019 at 08:16, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: On 9/18/2019 2:58 PM, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 4:25 PM 'Brent Meeker'

Re: What is Mechanism, Bruno style?

2019-09-18 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Thu, 19 Sep 2019 at 08:16, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > > On 9/18/2019 2:58 PM, John Clark wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 4:25 PM 'Brent Meeker' < > everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > *> **Haven't you ever awoken from surgery?

Re: What is Mechanism, Bruno style?

2019-09-18 Thread 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
On 9/18/2019 2:58 PM, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 4:25 PM 'Brent Meeker'  > wrote: /> //Haven't you ever awoken from surgery? AG / / / />> Yes, and I think I was just the same as before and so does everyone else. But

Re: What is Mechanism, Bruno style?

2019-09-18 Thread John Clark
On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 4:25 PM 'Brent Meeker' < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: *> **Haven't you ever awoken from surgery? AG * > > *>> Yes, and I think I was just the same as before and so does everyone > else. But maybe I am fundamentally different. How would I know?* > > >>> You'd

Re: What is Mechanism, Bruno style?

2019-09-18 Thread Philip Thrift
On Wednesday, September 18, 2019 at 3:27:55 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > > On 9/18/2019 11:55 AM, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, September 18, 2019 at 12:14:14 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 9/18/2019 3:02 AM, Alan Grayson wrote: >> > I think he means one can replace a human

Re: What is Mechanism, Bruno style?

2019-09-18 Thread 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
On 9/18/2019 11:55 AM, Alan Grayson wrote: On Wednesday, September 18, 2019 at 12:14:14 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: On 9/18/2019 3:02 AM, Alan Grayson wrote: > I think he means one can replace a human brain and/or nervous system > with computer microchips and consciousness will

Re: What is Mechanism, Bruno style?

2019-09-18 Thread 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
On 9/18/2019 11:14 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Wed, 18 Sep 2019 at 21:58, Alan Grayson > wrote: On Wednesday, September 18, 2019 at 4:50:36 AM UTC-6, stathisp wrote: On Wed, 18 Sep 2019 at 20:02, Alan Grayson wrote:

Brit Brogaard on consciousness

2019-09-18 Thread Philip Thrift
bio: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berit_Brogaard via https://sites.google.com/site/brogaardb/ (Brit Brogaard @BritHereNow) *Status of Consciousness in Nature* https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0GEjtSycjTKUFo5S2Nha1A3U00/view?usp=sharing There is much more to be said about the combination

Re: What is Mechanism, Bruno style?

2019-09-18 Thread John Clark
On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 3:30 PM Alan Grayson wrote: > * > there's more, much more to dictionaries, than you claim.* > There is more, much more in a dictionary than definitions made of words that are also made of words?! Please give me an *EXAMPLE* of that. John K Clark -- You received this

Re: What is Mechanism, Bruno style?

2019-09-18 Thread Alan Grayson
On Wednesday, September 18, 2019 at 1:14:36 PM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 2:55 PM Alan Grayson > wrote: > > *> You know, there are things we call "dictionaries" where words are >> defined.* >> > > And all those dictionary definitions are made of words, and all those

Re: Sean Carroll: Universe a 'tiny sliver' of all there is

2019-09-18 Thread Alan Grayson
On Wednesday, September 18, 2019 at 3:01:23 AM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 6:33 PM Alan Grayson > wrote: > >> On Tuesday, September 17, 2019 at 1:08:16 AM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: >>> >>> On Tuesday, September 17, 2019 at 1:02:39 AM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: On Tue,

Re: What is Mechanism, Bruno style?

2019-09-18 Thread John Clark
On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 2:55 PM Alan Grayson wrote: *> You know, there are things we call "dictionaries" where words are > defined.* > And all those dictionary definitions are made of words, and all those words have there own definitions also in the dictionary, and all those words have there

Re: What is Mechanism, Bruno style?

2019-09-18 Thread Alan Grayson
On Wednesday, September 18, 2019 at 12:14:14 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > > On 9/18/2019 3:02 AM, Alan Grayson wrote: > > I think he means one can replace a human brain and/or nervous system > > with computer microchips and consciousness will be preserved, or > > perfectly simulated so the

Re: What is Mechanism, Bruno style?

2019-09-18 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Wed, 18 Sep 2019 at 21:58, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > On Wednesday, September 18, 2019 at 4:50:36 AM UTC-6, stathisp wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wed, 18 Sep 2019 at 20:02, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >>> I think he means one can replace a human brain and/or nervous system >>> with computer microchips

Re: What is Mechanism, Bruno style?

2019-09-18 Thread 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
On 9/18/2019 3:02 AM, Alan Grayson wrote: I think he means one can replace a human brain and/or nervous system with computer microchips and consciousness will be preserved, or perfectly simulated so the person who says "Yes doctor", will awake from the surgery thinking he/she's the same

Re: Sean Carroll: Universe a 'tiny sliver' of all there is

2019-09-18 Thread 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
On 9/18/2019 1:33 AM, Alan Grayson wrote: But suppose you flip a coin and while it's in the air, you write its wf. Since the prevailing belief is that all objects are quantum objects, why can't one suppose that the two terms in the superposition, head and tail, manifest quantum

Re: Quantum immortality

2019-09-18 Thread 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
On 9/18/2019 1:07 AM, Bruce Kellett wrote: That means that you certainly cannot become an earlier version of yourself, because that would not be a continuation of your current mental state. If you die, you might continue as a copy that was made at the instant of death, but nothing else

Re: What is Mechanism, Bruno style?

2019-09-18 Thread Alan Grayson
On Wednesday, September 18, 2019 at 4:50:36 AM UTC-6, stathisp wrote: > > > > On Wed, 18 Sep 2019 at 20:02, Alan Grayson > wrote: > >> I think he means one can replace a human brain and/or nervous system with >> computer microchips and consciousness will be preserved, or perfectly >>

Re: What is Mechanism, Bruno style?

2019-09-18 Thread John Clark
On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 6:02 AM Alan Grayson wrote: *> I think he means one can replace a human brain and/or nervous system > with computer microchips and consciousness will be preserved, or perfectly > simulated so the person who says "Yes doctor", will awake from the surgery > thinking

Re: What is Mechanism, Bruno style?

2019-09-18 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Wed, 18 Sep 2019 at 20:02, Alan Grayson wrote: > I think he means one can replace a human brain and/or nervous system with > computer microchips and consciousness will be preserved, or perfectly > simulated so the person who says "Yes doctor", will awake from the surgery > thinking he/she's

Re: What is Mechanism, Bruno style?

2019-09-18 Thread Philip Thrift
On Wednesday, September 18, 2019 at 5:02:09 AM UTC-5, Alan Grayson wrote: > > I think he means one can replace a human brain and/or nervous system with > computer microchips and consciousness will be preserved, or perfectly > simulated so the person who says "Yes doctor", will awake from the

Re: Sean Carroll: Universe a 'tiny sliver' of all there is

2019-09-18 Thread Philip Thrift
On Tuesday, September 17, 2019 at 11:46:35 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 10:37 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > everyth...@googlegroups.com > wrote: > >> On 9/17/2019 3:49 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: >> >> On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 3:01 AM smitra > >> wrote: >> >>> On

What is Mechanism, Bruno style?

2019-09-18 Thread Alan Grayson
I think he means one can replace a human brain and/or nervous system with computer microchips and consciousness will be preserved, or perfectly simulated so the person who says "Yes doctor", will awake from the surgery thinking he/she's the same person, like awakening from unremarkable

Re: Sean Carroll: Universe a 'tiny sliver' of all there is

2019-09-18 Thread Bruce Kellett
On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 6:33 PM Alan Grayson wrote: > On Tuesday, September 17, 2019 at 1:08:16 AM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> On Tuesday, September 17, 2019 at 1:02:39 AM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 4:51 PM Alan Grayson >>> wrote: >>> On Monday, September 16,

Re: "The Delusion of Scientific Omniscience" (John Horgan)

2019-09-18 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 15 Sep 2019, at 14:51, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Sunday, September 15, 2019 at 7:02:37 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 13 Sep 2019, at 13:11, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> It seems though that while I was referencing a material pan[propto]psychism >>> -

Re: Sean Carroll: Universe a 'tiny sliver' of all there is

2019-09-18 Thread Alan Grayson
On Tuesday, September 17, 2019 at 1:08:16 AM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, September 17, 2019 at 1:02:39 AM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: >> >> On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 4:51 PM Alan Grayson wrote: >> >>> On Monday, September 16, 2019 at 3:54:46 PM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: On

Re: Quantum immortality

2019-09-18 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Wed, 18 Sep 2019 at 18:07, Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 4:06 PM Stathis Papaioannou > wrote: > >> On Wed, 18 Sep 2019 at 08:37, Bruce Kellett >> wrote: >> >>> On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 10:43 PM Telmo Menezes >>> wrote: >>> On Mon, Sep 16, 2019, at 22:56, Bruce Kellett

Re: Quantum immortality

2019-09-18 Thread Bruce Kellett
On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 4:06 PM Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > On Wed, 18 Sep 2019 at 08:37, Bruce Kellett wrote: > >> On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 10:43 PM Telmo Menezes >> wrote: >> >>> On Mon, Sep 16, 2019, at 22:56, Bruce Kellett wrote: >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 3:53 AM Bruno Marchal

Re: Quantum immortality

2019-09-18 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Wed, 18 Sep 2019 at 08:37, Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 10:43 PM Telmo Menezes > wrote: > >> On Mon, Sep 16, 2019, at 22:56, Bruce Kellett wrote: >> >> On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 3:53 AM Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> On 16 Sep 2019, at 05:51, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List <