Re: Sean Carroll's new book

On 9/25/2019 2:28 PM, smitra wrote: On 25-09-2019 15:30, Philip Thrift wrote: On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 8:15:59 AM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Sep 25, 2019 at 9:11 AM Philip Thrift wrote: On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 6:54:59 AM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: It seems

Re: Sean Carroll: Universe a 'tiny sliver' of all there is

On 9/25/2019 8:28 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 24 Sep 2019, at 17:44, Philip Thrift > wrote: On Tuesday, September 24, 2019 at 6:23:10 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 24 Sep 2019, at 10:22, Philip Thrift > wrote: On Tuesday, September 24, 2019

Re: Sean Carroll: Universe a 'tiny sliver' of all there is

On 9/25/2019 4:31 AM, John Clark wrote: On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 6:47 PM Philip Thrift > wrote: /> Quantum Bayesianism, or QBism as Fuchs now calls it, solves many of quantum theory’s deepest mysteries./ It seems to me the Copenhagen Interpretation of

Re: Sean Carroll's new book

On 25-09-2019 15:30, Philip Thrift wrote: On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 8:15:59 AM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Sep 25, 2019 at 9:11 AM Philip Thrift wrote: On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 6:54:59 AM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: It seems that nearly everyone on the list has a

Re: Sean Carroll's new book

I have it on my Kindle but have not read it yet because of a bad back and going to work (nights) so I have pushed the reading of Dr. Carroll way up Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs. I will get to it.  -Original Message- From: John Clark To: everything-list Sent: Wed, Sep 25, 2019 7:55 am

Re: Many Worlds morality

Group Nazi, or Soup Nazi (Check American humor reference, series, Seinfeld). I like the ideas (maybe) of an afterlife where your consciousness zooms in to your Closest Continuer, but, its smells unlikely, and thus is useless, and probably not real. The Netflix series Travelers had the minds

Evolving Realities for Quantum Measure Theory

*Evolving Realities for Quantum Measure Theory* Henry Wilkes* Imperial College, London September 28, 2018 https://arxiv.org/abs/1809.10427 We introduce and explore Rafael Sorkin's \textit{evolving co-event scheme}: a theoretical framework for determining completely which events do and do not

Re: Many Worlds morality

On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 1:08:35 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 25 Sep 2019, at 09:55, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 1:25:58 AM UTC-5, stathisp wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wed, 25 Sep 2019 at 08:16, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >>> >>> Many

Re: Many Worlds morality

The question is “do you have the right to torture yourself” for example. That sounds weird, but that is what some machines and humans will defend, as a universal right. It makes sense in a world where you can duplicate yourself. It is a sort of property of science (and religion “well

Re: Many Worlds morality

> On 25 Sep 2019, at 09:55, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 1:25:58 AM UTC-5, stathisp wrote: > > > On Wed, 25 Sep 2019 at 08:16, Philip Thrift > wrote: > > Many Worlds leads Sean Carroll to speculate about the morality of duplicated > selves when they

Re: Sean Carroll gets past "Step 3" of the UDA

> On 24 Sep 2019, at 15:40, John Clark wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 4:22 PM Jason Resch > wrote: > > > This Halloween will mark 6 years since you agreed with Step 3, > > BULLSHIT! > > This is the entire post and even though 6 years has passed I stand by

Re: Sean Carroll: Universe a 'tiny sliver' of all there is

> On 24 Sep 2019, at 22:08, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 9/24/2019 12:42 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> On Tuesday, September 24, 2019 at 2:12:00 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >> >> >> On 9/24/2019 8:44 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> > The many-histories is a logical

Re: Sean Carroll: Universe a 'tiny sliver' of all there is

> On 24 Sep 2019, at 17:44, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, September 24, 2019 at 6:23:10 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 24 Sep 2019, at 10:22, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, September 24, 2019 at 3:05:39 AM UTC-5, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> On

Re: Quantum Supremacy

> On 24 Sep 2019, at 19:54, John Clark wrote: > > There is a excellent FAQ by Quantum Computer expert Scott Aaronson. Aaronson > is noted for throwing cold water over claims of a breakthrough in his field, > but not this time! Aaronson is clearly excited, he compares Google's Quantum >

Re: Something Deeply Hidden

> On 24 Sep 2019, at 19:45, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, September 24, 2019 at 10:32:28 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 23 Sep 2019, at 23:21, Alan Grayson > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, September 23, 2019 at 12:10:00 PM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 21 Sep

Re: Sean Carroll's new book

On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 8:37:12 AM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 25, 2019 at 9:30 AM Philip Thrift > wrote: > > > *What specifically in the book makes Many Worlds compelling vs. the >> one-world alternatives? And if there is nothing in the Many Worlds approach >> that

Re: Sean Carroll's new book

On Wed, Sep 25, 2019 at 9:30 AM Philip Thrift wrote: > *What specifically in the book makes Many Worlds compelling vs. the > one-world alternatives? And if there is nothing in the Many Worlds approach > that is really better than a one-world approach, why multiply worlds beyond > necessity? And

Re: Sean Carroll's new book

On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 8:15:59 AM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: > > > > On Wed, Sep 25, 2019 at 9:11 AM Philip Thrift > wrote: > >> >> >> On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 6:54:59 AM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: >>> >>> It seems that nearly everyone on the list has a strong opinion >>>

Re: Many Worlds morality

On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 8:15:47 AM UTC-5, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > Le mer. 25 sept. 2019 à 14:52, Philip Thrift > a écrit : > >> >> >> On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 6:01:24 AM UTC-5, Quentin Anciaux >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Le mer. 25 sept. 2019 à 12:57, Philip Thrift

Re: Sean Carroll's new book

On Wed, Sep 25, 2019 at 9:11 AM Philip Thrift wrote: > > > On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 6:54:59 AM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: >> >> It seems that nearly everyone on the list has a strong opinion about Sean >> Carroll's new book, but has anyone other than me actually read it? >> >> John K

Re: Many Worlds morality

Le mer. 25 sept. 2019 à 14:52, Philip Thrift a écrit : > > > On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 6:01:24 AM UTC-5, Quentin Anciaux > wrote: >> >> >> >> Le mer. 25 sept. 2019 à 12:57, Philip Thrift a >> écrit : >> >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 5:51:59 AM UTC-5, Quentin Anciaux

Re: Sean Carroll's new book

On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 6:54:59 AM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: > > It seems that nearly everyone on the list has a strong opinion about Sean > Carroll's new book, but has anyone other than me actually read it? > > John K Clark > He has posted several excepts (images of pages from

Re: Many Worlds morality

On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 7:28:02 AM UTC-5, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 4:53:04 AM UTC-6, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 5:33:25 AM UTC-5, Alan Grayson wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at

Re: Many Worlds morality

On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 6:01:24 AM UTC-5, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > Le mer. 25 sept. 2019 à 12:57, Philip Thrift > a écrit : > >> >> >> On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 5:51:59 AM UTC-5, Quentin Anciaux >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> saying ontology metaphysics is bullshit

Re: Many Worlds morality

On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 4:53:04 AM UTC-6, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 5:33:25 AM UTC-5, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 12:16:57 AM UTC-6, Philip Thrift >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Many Worlds leads Sean Carroll to

Re: Another physicist in mental decline (Sean Carroll)

On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 6:15:27 AM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: > > On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 5:26:21 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >On 24 Sep 2019, at 14:55, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, September 24, 2019 at 6:38:50 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal

Re: Another physicist in mental decline (Sean Carroll)

On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 5:26:21 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 24 Sep 2019, at 14:55, Alan Grayson > > wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, September 24, 2019 at 6:38:50 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 23 Sep 2019, at 13:11, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday,

Sean Carroll's new book

It seems that nearly everyone on the list has a strong opinion about Sean Carroll's new book, but has anyone other than me actually read it? John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and

Re: What is Mechanism, Bruno style?

> On 24 Sep 2019, at 17:03, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, September 24, 2019 at 8:52:50 AM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > On Tuesday, September 24, 2019 at 8:37:23 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 23 Sep 2019, at 15:18, Alan Grayson > wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday,

Re: Sean Carroll: Universe a 'tiny sliver' of all there is

On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 6:47 PM Philip Thrift wrote: *> Quantum Bayesianism, or QBism as Fuchs now calls it, solves many of > quantum theory’s deepest mysteries.* It seems to me the Copenhagen Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics is just the Shut Up And Calculate interpretation with a few

Re: Another physicist in mental decline (Sean Carroll)

> On 24 Sep 2019, at 14:55, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, September 24, 2019 at 6:38:50 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 23 Sep 2019, at 13:11, Alan Grayson > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, September 23, 2019 at 3:48:56 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 20 Sep

Re: Many Worlds morality

Le mer. 25 sept. 2019 à 12:57, Philip Thrift a écrit : > > > On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 5:51:59 AM UTC-5, Quentin Anciaux > wrote: >> >> >> >> saying ontology metaphysics is bullshit >> > > > > I said ontologies *without applications* is BS. > > There are no applications to ontology...

Re: Many Worlds morality

On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 5:51:59 AM UTC-5, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > saying ontology metaphysics is bullshit > I said ontologies *without applications* is BS. As I noted: You don't read. @philipthrift -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the

Re: Many Worlds morality

On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 5:33:25 AM UTC-5, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 12:16:57 AM UTC-6, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> Many Worlds leads Sean Carroll to speculate about the morality of >> duplicated selves when they bach off into other worlds. >>

Re: Many Worlds morality

And more insults... You're first calling others religious, saying ontology metaphysics is bullshit on a list just about that, then more insults... well I'm sorry for you. Le mer. 25 sept. 2019 à 12:06, Philip Thrift a écrit : > > > Sorry, I didn't realize you were the Group Nazi. > >

Re: Many Worlds morality

On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 12:16:57 AM UTC-6, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > Many Worlds leads Sean Carroll to speculate about the morality of > duplicated selves when they bach off into other worlds. > > Sean Carroll > @seanmcarroll >

Re: Many Worlds morality

Sorry, I didn't realize you were the Group Nazi. @philipthrift On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 3:26:01 AM UTC-5, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > http://www.weidai.com/everything.html > > Le mer. 25 sept. 2019 à 10:24, Quentin Anciaux > a écrit : > >> >> >> Le mer. 25 sept. 2019 à 10:21,

Re: Many Worlds morality

Well now the insults... Okay. Le mer. 25 sept. 2019 à 11:49, Philip Thrift a écrit : > > > On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 3:24:18 AM UTC-5, Quentin Anciaux > wrote: >> >> >> >> Le mer. 25 sept. 2019 à 10:21, Philip Thrift a >> écrit : >> >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at

Re: Many Worlds morality

On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 3:24:18 AM UTC-5, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > Le mer. 25 sept. 2019 à 10:21, Philip Thrift > a écrit : > >> >> >> On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 3:00:52 AM UTC-5, Quentin Anciaux >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Le mer. 25 sept. 2019 à 09:55, Philip Thrift

Re: Many Worlds morality

http://www.weidai.com/everything.html Le mer. 25 sept. 2019 à 10:24, Quentin Anciaux a écrit : > > > Le mer. 25 sept. 2019 à 10:21, Philip Thrift a > écrit : > >> >> >> On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 3:00:52 AM UTC-5, Quentin Anciaux >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Le mer. 25 sept. 2019 à

Re: Many Worlds morality

Le mer. 25 sept. 2019 à 10:21, Philip Thrift a écrit : > > > On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 3:00:52 AM UTC-5, Quentin Anciaux > wrote: >> >> >> >> Le mer. 25 sept. 2019 à 09:55, Philip Thrift a >> écrit : >> >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 1:25:58 AM UTC-5, stathisp wrote:

Re: Many Worlds morality

On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 3:00:52 AM UTC-5, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > Le mer. 25 sept. 2019 à 09:55, Philip Thrift > a écrit : > >> >> >> On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 1:25:58 AM UTC-5, stathisp wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, 25 Sep 2019 at 08:16, Philip Thrift wrote: >>>

Re: Many Worlds morality

Le mer. 25 sept. 2019 à 09:55, Philip Thrift a écrit : > > > On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 1:25:58 AM UTC-5, stathisp wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wed, 25 Sep 2019 at 08:16, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >>> >>> Many Worlds leads Sean Carroll to speculate about the morality of >>> duplicated selves

Re: Many Worlds morality

On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 1:25:58 AM UTC-5, stathisp wrote: > > > > On Wed, 25 Sep 2019 at 08:16, Philip Thrift > wrote: > >> >> Many Worlds leads Sean Carroll to speculate about the morality of >> duplicated selves when they bach off into other worlds. >> >> Sean Carroll >>

Re: Many Worlds morality

On Wed, 25 Sep 2019 at 08:16, Philip Thrift wrote: > > Many Worlds leads Sean Carroll to speculate about the morality of > duplicated selves when they bach off into other worlds. > > Sean Carroll > @seanmcarroll > https://twitter.com/seanmcarroll/status/1176617631408775168 > > *Congressional

Many Worlds morality

Many Worlds leads Sean Carroll to speculate about the morality of duplicated selves when they bach off into other worlds. Sean Carroll @seanmcarroll https://twitter.com/seanmcarroll/status/1176617631408775168 *Congressional votes do not *cause* the wave function to branch, but unlikely