Re: Are Philosophical Zombies possible?

2024-07-10 Thread Brent Meeker
Do you know how to avoid this boredom, or do I need to explain it to you? Brent "The man who lets himself be bored is even more contemptible than the bore."   --- Samuel Butler On 7/10/2024 12:13 AM, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List wrote: @Brent. Playing with words doesn't make you

Re: Are Philosophical Zombies possible?

2024-07-10 Thread Brent Meeker
On 7/9/2024 1:56 PM, John Clark wrote: On Tue, Jul 9, 2024 at 4:29 PM Brent Meeker wrote: // />So you wrote a whole paragraph but it's unclear whether you are agreeing with me that consciousness is NOT just some mysterious byproduct of intelligence,/ Consciousness is not

Re: AI hype

2024-07-10 Thread Brent Meeker
I hope you don't care if people also ignore your rude and arrogant posts. Brent On 7/9/2024 11:36 AM, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List wrote: @Quentin. Trololol. Do you think I care if you read my papers or not ? = Is not my problem that you want to remain ignorant. I did my

Re: Are Philosophical Zombies possible?

2024-07-10 Thread Brent Meeker
On 7/9/2024 7:16 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: Stathis Papaioannou On Tue, 9 Jul 2024 at 22:15, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, Jul 9, 2024, 4:33 AM Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Tue, 9 Jul 2024 at 04:23, Jason Resch wrote: On Sun, Jul 7, 2024 at

Re: Are Philosophical Zombies possible?

2024-07-10 Thread Brent Meeker
On 7/9/2024 5:17 AM, John Clark wrote: On Tue, Jul 9, 2024 at 7:54 AM Jason Resch wrote: >>Consciousness is the inevitable product of intelligence, it is not the cause of intelligence. /> //I didn't say it was the cause, I said it is a prerequisite./ My dictionary

Re: Are Philosophical Zombies possible?

2024-07-10 Thread Brent Meeker
On 7/9/2024 4:48 AM, John Clark wrote: On Mon, Jul 8, 2024 at 4:20 PM Jason Resch wrote: /> If consciousness is necessary for intelligence///[...] Consciousness is the inevitable product of intelligence, it is not the cause of intelligence. I think that's wrong.  It is the cause of

Re: Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor's dissenting opinion on presidential immunity

2024-07-10 Thread PGC
Regarding presidential campaigns: Why a part of the US electorate is non-zombie, is its ability - in principle - to denounce the bullshit coming from the campaign they support. Maga does not have this ability. They have the old loyalty system, renowned from middle ages and comparable

Re: Are Philosophical Zombies possible?

2024-07-10 Thread Brent Meeker
On 7/9/2024 1:32 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Tue, 9 Jul 2024 at 04:23, Jason Resch wrote: On Sun, Jul 7, 2024 at 3:14 PM John Clark wrote: On Sun, Jul 7, 2024 at 1:58 PM Jason Resch wrote: />>> // I think such foresight is a necessary

Re: AI hype

2024-07-10 Thread Brent Meeker
What makes you think LLM's are deterministic? Brent On 7/9/2024 1:03 AM, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List wrote: lol ? By knowing that all AI does is to follow deterministic instructions such as if (color == white) {    print ("Is day"); } else {    print ("Is night"); } There is no

Re: Why do sad people hate so much ?

2024-07-10 Thread Terren Suydam
Every indication is that you're a troll - except for the fact that you've written a paper on consciousness. I'm beginning to think you used AI to write your paper. That would explain why you seem incapable of engaging with actual questions and criticisms, because you have no actual interest or

Re: AI hype

2024-07-10 Thread Terren Suydam
If you have no idea, then just say so. Otherwise, answer the question. On Wed, Jul 10, 2024 at 11:22 AM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > As I said: interacting with other consciousnesses. > > On Wednesday 10 July 2024 at 15:59:52 UTC+3 Terren Suydam

Re: Are Philosophical Zombies possible?

2024-07-10 Thread 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List
lol. You are so obsessed with the AI as if it is some supernatural entity. When in fact is just a random computer program. Even worse: a computer program with no use whatsoever. Nobody actually uses AI for anything. On Wednesday 10 July 2024 at 19:50:04 UTC+3 John Clark wrote: > On Wed, Jul

Re: Are Philosophical Zombies possible?

2024-07-10 Thread John Clark
On Wed, Jul 10, 2024 at 11:24 AM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > *Why do you even use the word AI ? Why can't use just use the words > "computer program" ? Aaa... hype. Makes you look more intelligent than you > actually are! Look at me: AI! AI! AI!

Re: Are Philosophical Zombies possible?

2024-07-10 Thread 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List
Why do you even use the word AI ? Why can't use just use the words "computer program" ? Aaa... hype. Makes you look more intelligent than you actually are! Look at me: AI! AI! AI! Ooo so smrt! = -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google

Re: AI hype

2024-07-10 Thread 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List
As I said: interacting with other consciousnesses. On Wednesday 10 July 2024 at 15:59:52 UTC+3 Terren Suydam wrote: > What specifically happens when someone "takes mushrooms" for the first > time that leads them to have a quality of consciousness that is unlike > anything they've experienced

Re: Absolute freedom of speech group for consciousness discussions

2024-07-10 Thread 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List
@Terren. I understand your suffering. Not having a girlfriend is the worst thing that can happen in life. Hang in there buddy! On Wednesday 10 July 2024 at 16:01:15 UTC+3 Terren Suydam wrote: > That's something a 14 year old would say. Anyway, thanks for proving my > point. > > On Wed, Jul 10,

Re: Are Philosophical Zombies possible?

2024-07-10 Thread Jason Resch
On Tue, Jul 9, 2024, 7:22 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 7/8/2024 1:20 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Mon, Jul 8, 2024, 4:01 PM John Clark wrote: > >> On Mon, Jul 8, 2024 at 2:23 PM Jason Resch wrote: >> >> *> If you believe mental states do not cause anything, then you believe >>>

Re: Are Philosophical Zombies possible?

2024-07-10 Thread Jason Resch
On Tue, Jul 9, 2024, 6:59 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 7/8/2024 11:12 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Mon, Jul 8, 2024 at 10:29 AM John Clark wrote: > >> >> On Sun, Jul 7, 2024 at 9:28 PM Brent Meeker >> wrote: >> >> *>I thought it was obvious that foresight requires consciousness. It >>>

Are Philosophical Zombies possible?

2024-07-10 Thread John Clark
On Tue, Jul 9, 2024 at 7:22 PM Brent Meeker wrote: >> *what I call "a Turing firewall", software has no ability to know its >> underlying hardware implementation, it is an inviolable separation of >> layers of abstraction, which makes the lower levels invisible to the layers >> above.* > > > *>

Re: Absolute freedom of speech group for consciousness discussions

2024-07-10 Thread Terren Suydam
That's something a 14 year old would say. Anyway, thanks for proving my point. On Wed, Jul 10, 2024 at 3:10 AM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > @Terren. I'm sorry for your suffering. Hope you will find a girlfriend > soon. > > On Wednesday 10 July

Re: AI hype

2024-07-10 Thread Terren Suydam
What specifically happens when someone "takes mushrooms" for the first time that leads them to have a quality of consciousness that is unlike anything they've experienced before that? On Wed, Jul 10, 2024 at 3:11 AM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: >

Re: AI chatbots at ​ just 13 watts with no performance loss

2024-07-10 Thread 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List
@Quentin. Don't worry, we will study you as a prime specimen on the sad persons topic. On Wednesday 10 July 2024 at 13:12:23 UTC+3 Quentin Anciaux wrote: > So let's get it straight, we're stupid sexually frustrated low IQ people, > yet you're arguing here with us... stupidity is amazing. > >

Re: Why do sad people hate so much ?

2024-07-10 Thread 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List
So as you can see ladies and gentlemen, we have here a prime specimen of the sad person. As you can see, he entered here just to hate on a random person like me, by using the word "stupid". How can we understand such behavior ? What determines these people to randomly hate on the internet ? On

Re: Why do sad people hate so much ?

2024-07-10 Thread Quentin Anciaux
Either you're trolling on purpose or you're genuinely stupid... hard to tell. Le mer. 10 juil. 2024, 11:54, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> a écrit : > Why do sad people hate so much ? Why do they choose to express their > sadness by hating random people on

Re: AI chatbots at ​ just 13 watts with no performance loss

2024-07-10 Thread Quentin Anciaux
So let's get it straight, we're stupid sexually frustrated low IQ people, yet you're arguing here with us... stupidity is amazing. Le mer. 10 juil. 2024, 11:51, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> a écrit : > @Quentin. Sure you're certain. The internet is full

Why do sad people hate so much ?

2024-07-10 Thread 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List
Why do sad people hate so much ? Why do they choose to express their sadness by hating random people on the internet ? Why don't they go for a walk in nature to calm down ? What do they gain by hating on the internet ? And especially since they are doing this for decades! And their condition

Re: AI chatbots at ​ just 13 watts with no performance loss

2024-07-10 Thread 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List
@Quentin. Sure you're certain. The internet is full of geniuses like yourself. Also, the fact that you are from the category that equates free speech with hate speech says a lot about you. It says that you are just a loser hating other more successful, and as such, he is determined to shut

Re: New AI training tech is 13 times faster and 10 times more power efficient

2024-07-10 Thread 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List
So what ? How does AI help with anything ? It is just a gimmick. On Tuesday 9 July 2024 at 21:45:51 UTC+3 John Clark wrote: > *New AI training tech is 13 times faster and 10 times more power efficient > — DeepMind's new JEST optimizes training data for impressive gains >

Re: AI chatbots at ​ just 13 watts with no performance loss

2024-07-10 Thread Quentin Anciaux
I'm certain you've never taken a computer science course or understood anything about it. Your single-neuron brain, filled with hate, spews nothing but venom. Go back to your hate speech Google group and give us a break. Earth is often a living hell because of hateful people like you. Quentin Le

Re: AI chatbots at ​ just 13 watts with no performance loss

2024-07-10 Thread 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List
*to NOT watch. On Wednesday 10 July 2024 at 10:14:44 UTC+3 Cosmin Visan wrote: > Yes, by invoking Santa Claus. Because they are Santa Claus. Go and take > some programming course! Is pathetic in the age of internet to now watch 1 > single course on youtube. You are an adult for God sake, Santa

Re: AI chatbots at ​ just 13 watts with no performance loss

2024-07-10 Thread 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List
Yes, by invoking Santa Claus. Because they are Santa Claus. Go and take some programming course! Is pathetic in the age of internet to now watch 1 single course on youtube. You are an adult for God sake, Santa Claus is for children. On Tuesday 9 July 2024 at 14:58:16 UTC+3 John Clark wrote: >

Re: Are Philosophical Zombies possible?

2024-07-10 Thread 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List
@Brent. Playing with words doesn't make you smart. Quite the opposite. Maaan... you people are so boring. You have the same memes that you keep repeating over and over and over again. Zero presence of intelligent thought. Just memes. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to

Re: AI hype

2024-07-10 Thread 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List
@Terren. Other consciousnesses. That you cannot even imagine. On Tuesday 9 July 2024 at 22:45:45 UTC+3 Terren Suydam wrote: > When you "take mushrooms", what happens is for your consciousness to >> interact with the other consciousnesses. >> > > What other consciousnesses? What specifically

Re: Absolute freedom of speech group for consciousness discussions

2024-07-10 Thread 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List
@Terren. I'm sorry for your suffering. Hope you will find a girlfriend soon. On Wednesday 10 July 2024 at 02:40:30 UTC+3 Terren Suydam wrote: > Your interactions here are a preview of what discourse on your google > group would be like. And there's a lot of words to describe that, but >