Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

2017-12-10 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 09 Dec 2017, at 15:48, Lawrence Crowell wrote: On Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 5:19:02 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 9:47:42 PM UTC, Brent wrote: When I took a series of classes in Artificial Intelliegence at UCLA in the '70s the professor intro

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

2017-12-10 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 09 Dec 2017, at 01:07, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday, December 8, 2017 at 5:54:51 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 08 Dec 2017, at 03:37, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday, December 8, 2017 at 1:42:01 AM UTC, Brent wrote: On 12/7/2017 3:19 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

2017-12-09 Thread Brent Meeker
On 12/9/2017 1:13 PM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: On Saturday, December 9, 2017 at 2:31:48 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: On 12/9/2017 6:48 AM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: On Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 5:19:02 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 9

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

2017-12-09 Thread Lawrence Crowell
On Saturday, December 9, 2017 at 2:31:48 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > > On 12/9/2017 6:48 AM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > > On Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 5:19:02 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com > wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 9:47:42 PM UTC, Brent wrote: >>> >>> When I took

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

2017-12-09 Thread Brent Meeker
On 12/9/2017 6:48 AM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: On Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 5:19:02 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 9:47:42 PM UTC, Brent wrote: When I took a series of classes in Artificial Intelliegence at UCLA in the '70s the

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

2017-12-09 Thread Lawrence Crowell
On Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 5:19:02 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 9:47:42 PM UTC, Brent wrote: >> >> When I took a series of classes in Artificial Intelliegence at UCLA in >> the '70s the professor introducing the material of the first class >

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

2017-12-08 Thread agrayson2000
On Friday, December 8, 2017 at 5:54:51 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 08 Dec 2017, at 03:37, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Friday, December 8, 2017 at 1:42:01 AM UTC, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 12/7/2017 3:19 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday, December 7, 201

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

2017-12-08 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 08 Dec 2017, at 03:37, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday, December 8, 2017 at 1:42:01 AM UTC, Brent wrote: On 12/7/2017 3:19 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 9:47:42 PM UTC, Brent wrote: When I took a series of classes in Artificial Intelliegence a

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

2017-12-07 Thread agrayson2000
On Friday, December 8, 2017 at 2:53:30 AM UTC, Brent wrote: > > > > On 12/7/2017 6:37 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Friday, December 8, 2017 at 1:42:01 AM UTC, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 12/7/2017 3:19 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 9:47

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

2017-12-07 Thread Brent Meeker
On 12/7/2017 6:37 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday, December 8, 2017 at 1:42:01 AM UTC, Brent wrote: On 12/7/2017 3:19 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 9:47:42 PM UTC, Brent wrote: When I took a series of classes in Artificial

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

2017-12-07 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Fri, 8 Dec 2017 at 10:19 am, wrote: > > > On Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 9:47:42 PM UTC, Brent wrote: >> >> When I took a series of classes in Artificial Intelliegence at UCLA in >> the '70s the professor introducing the material of the first class >> explained that, "Intelligence is whateve

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

2017-12-07 Thread agrayson2000
On Friday, December 8, 2017 at 1:42:01 AM UTC, Brent wrote: > > > > On 12/7/2017 3:19 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 9:47:42 PM UTC, Brent wrote: >> >> When I took a series of classes in Artificial Intelliegence at UCLA in >> the '70s the professor intr

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

2017-12-07 Thread Brent Meeker
On 12/7/2017 3:19 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 9:47:42 PM UTC, Brent wrote: When I took a series of classes in Artificial Intelliegence at UCLA in the '70s the professor introducing the material of the first class explained that, "Intelligenc

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

2017-12-07 Thread agrayson2000
On Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 9:47:42 PM UTC, Brent wrote: > > When I took a series of classes in Artificial Intelliegence at UCLA in the > '70s the professor introducing the material of the first class explained > that, "Intelligence is whatever a computer can't doyet." > > Brent > The

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

2017-12-07 Thread Brent Meeker
When I took a series of classes in Artificial Intelliegence at UCLA in the '70s the professor introducing the material of the first class explained that, "Intelligence is whatever a computer can't doyet." Brent On 12/7/2017 1:32 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: Both: is very very hard to simu

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

2017-12-07 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Thu, 7 Dec 2017 at 8:32 pm, Alberto G. Corona wrote: > Both: is very very hard to simulate and impossible to achieve, > The first computer scientists though that making mathematical computations > was a sign of intelligence. But failed miserably with the next goal, and so > on. > program somet

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

2017-12-07 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 10:32 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: > Both: is very very hard to simulate and impossible to achieve, > The first computer scientists though that making mathematical computations > was a sign of intelligence. But failed miserably with the next goal, and so > on. You are argui

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

2017-12-07 Thread Alberto G. Corona
Both: is very very hard to simulate and impossible to achieve, The first computer scientists though that making mathematical computations was a sign of intelligence. But failed miserably with the next goal, and so on. program something that humans do. if your program does it, then it becomes non in

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

2017-12-06 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 4:54 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: > Yes. we are all robots. You are the only human mmwwahahah > > Every decade it is predicted that 50 years from now AI would surpass human > beings. > > The level of AI was pathetic 50 years ago. It is pathethic now and will be > pathetic 5

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

2017-12-05 Thread Jason Resch
On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 9:54 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: > Yes. we are all robots. You are the only human mmwwahahah > > Every decade it is predicted that 50 years from now AI would surpass human > beings. > > The level of AI was pathetic 50 years ago. It is pathethic now and will be > pathetic

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

2017-12-05 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 04 Dec 2017, at 01:17, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 7:42:30 PM UTC, Lawrence Crowell wrote: On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 12:55:04 PM UTC-6, Jason wrote: I can understand how in the darwinian sense, it could makes predators and prey less successful. But

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

2017-12-05 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 02 Dec 2017, at 14:45, Lawrence Crowell wrote: On Saturday, December 2, 2017 at 4:15:33 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 30 Nov 2017, at 18:41, Lawrence Crowell wrote: On Thursday, November 30, 2017 at 4:30:13 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: Very interesting. It confirms the chr

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

2017-12-05 Thread Alberto G. Corona
Yes. we are all robots. You are the only human mmwwahahah Every decade it is predicted that 50 years from now AI would surpass human beings. The level of AI was pathetic 50 years ago. It is pathethic now and will be pathetic 50 years later. 2017-11-27 22:32 GMT+01:00 : > IIRC, this is the

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

2017-12-05 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi Telmo, On 04 Dec 2017, at 11:39, Telmo Menezes wrote: Hi Bruno, I have a lot of sympathy for the quote above, as you can guess, which are all rather close to the "theology of number", but my Lôbian Fear get trigged by the terming "perfectly benevolent". The Lôbian machine can underst

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

2017-12-05 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 03 Dec 2017, at 19:55, Jason Resch wrote: On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 11:30 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Hi Telmo, Hi Jason, On 01 Dec 2017, at 06:26, Jason Resch wrote: On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 12:30 PM, Telmo Menezes > wrote: On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 3:33 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > >

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

2017-12-04 Thread agrayson2000
On Tuesday, December 5, 2017 at 1:00:49 AM UTC, Brent wrote: > > > > On 12/4/2017 4:41 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Monday, December 4, 2017 at 11:19:49 PM UTC, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 12/4/2017 3:12 PM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: >> >> On Monday, December 4, 2017 at 2:41:39 PM UT

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

2017-12-04 Thread Brent Meeker
On 12/4/2017 4:41 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, December 4, 2017 at 11:19:49 PM UTC, Brent wrote: On 12/4/2017 3:12 PM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: On Monday, December 4, 2017 at 2:41:39 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: On 12/4/2017 4:24 AM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

2017-12-04 Thread agrayson2000
On Monday, December 4, 2017 at 11:19:49 PM UTC, Brent wrote: > > > > On 12/4/2017 3:12 PM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > > On Monday, December 4, 2017 at 2:41:39 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 12/4/2017 4:24 AM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> > Lawrence is taking the long view, that we're des

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

2017-12-04 Thread Brent Meeker
On 12/4/2017 3:12 PM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: On Monday, December 4, 2017 at 2:41:39 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: On 12/4/2017 4:24 AM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > Lawrence is taking the long view, that we're destroying our life > support systems with the obvious implication that we

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

2017-12-04 Thread Lawrence Crowell
On Monday, December 4, 2017 at 2:41:39 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > > On 12/4/2017 4:24 AM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > Lawrence is taking the long view, that we're destroying our life > > support systems with the obvious implication that we will go extinct. > > The evidence favors this view

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

2017-12-04 Thread agrayson2000
On Monday, December 4, 2017 at 8:41:39 PM UTC, Brent wrote: > > > > On 12/4/2017 4:24 AM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > Lawrence is taking the long view, that we're destroying our life > > support systems with the obvious implication that we will go extinct. > > The evidence favors this view

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

2017-12-04 Thread Brent Meeker
On 12/4/2017 4:24 AM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: Lawrence is taking the long view, that we're destroying our life support systems with the obvious implication that we will go extinct. The evidence favors this view IMO. AG Predator/prey cycles don't result in extinction of the predator.

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

2017-12-04 Thread agrayson2000
On Monday, December 4, 2017 at 1:29:11 AM UTC, Brent wrote: > > > > On 12/3/2017 5:11 PM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > > On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 6:17:18 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com > wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 7:42:30 PM UTC, Lawrence Crowell wrote: >>> >>> On Sund

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

2017-12-04 Thread Telmo Menezes
Hi Bruno, > I have a lot of sympathy for the quote above, as you can guess, which are > all rather close to the "theology of number", but my Lôbian Fear get trigged > by the terming "perfectly benevolent". > > The Lôbian machine can understand intellectually that "she", the ultimate > owner of the

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

2017-12-04 Thread Telmo Menezes
Hi Jason, Thanks for the quotes, I feel less crazy now! Telmo. On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 6:26 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 12:30 PM, Telmo Menezes > wrote: >> >> On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 3:33 PM, Jason Resch wrote: >> > >> > >> > On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 5:03 AM, Telmo Mene

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

2017-12-03 Thread Brent Meeker
On 12/3/2017 5:21 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, December 4, 2017 at 1:11:41 AM UTC, Lawrence Crowell wrote: On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 6:17:18 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 7:42:30 PM UTC, Lawrence Crowell wr

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

2017-12-03 Thread Brent Meeker
On 12/3/2017 5:11 PM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 6:17:18 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 7:42:30 PM UTC, Lawrence Crowell wrote: On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 12:55:04 PM UTC-6, Jason wrote: I ca

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

2017-12-03 Thread agrayson2000
On Monday, December 4, 2017 at 1:11:41 AM UTC, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > > On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 6:17:18 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com > wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 7:42:30 PM UTC, Lawrence Crowell wrote: >>> >>> On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 12:55:04 PM UTC-6, Ja

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

2017-12-03 Thread Lawrence Crowell
On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 6:17:18 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 7:42:30 PM UTC, Lawrence Crowell wrote: >> >> On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 12:55:04 PM UTC-6, Jason wrote: >>> >>> >>> I can understand how in the darwinian sense, it could makes pre

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

2017-12-03 Thread agrayson2000
On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 7:42:30 PM UTC, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > > On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 12:55:04 PM UTC-6, Jason wrote: >> >> >> I can understand how in the darwinian sense, it could makes predators and >> prey less successful. But in the sense of humans, who have technologica

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

2017-12-03 Thread Lawrence Crowell
On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 12:55:04 PM UTC-6, Jason wrote: > > > I can understand how in the darwinian sense, it could makes predators and > prey less successful. But in the sense of humans, who have technologically > escaped most of the darwinian pressures, could this idea not improve life

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

2017-12-03 Thread Jason Resch
On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 11:30 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > Hi Telmo, Hi Jason, > > > > On 01 Dec 2017, at 06:26, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 12:30 PM, Telmo Menezes > wrote: > >> On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 3:33 PM, Jason Resch >> wrote: >> > >> > >> > On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 5:

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

2017-12-03 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi Telmo, Hi Jason, On 01 Dec 2017, at 06:26, Jason Resch wrote: On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 12:30 PM, Telmo Menezes > wrote: On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 3:33 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 5:03 AM, Telmo Menezes > > wrote: >> >> >> >> If you have some time/patience, let

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

2017-12-02 Thread Lawrence Crowell
On Saturday, December 2, 2017 at 4:15:33 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 30 Nov 2017, at 18:41, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > > > > On Thursday, November 30, 2017 at 4:30:13 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> >> >> Very interesting. It confirms the christians might have added this when >>

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

2017-12-02 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 30 Nov 2017, at 18:41, Lawrence Crowell wrote: On Thursday, November 30, 2017 at 4:30:13 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: Very interesting. It confirms the christians might have added this when their integrist took power, as the "golden rule" is a trap, leading to the idea that we

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

2017-12-01 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 6:37 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 11/30/2017 11:45 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 4:16 AM, Brent Meeker wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 11/30/2017 10:30 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: To go further: not so long ago, most people would freely defend that

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

2017-12-01 Thread Brent Meeker
On 11/30/2017 11:45 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 4:16 AM, Brent Meeker wrote: On 11/30/2017 10:30 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: To go further: not so long ago, most people would freely defend that the lives of people from their ethnicity are more valuable than those of other e

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

2017-11-30 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 4:16 AM, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 11/30/2017 10:30 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> To go further: not so long ago, most people would freely defend that >> the lives of people from their ethnicity are more valuable than those >> of other ethnicities. It seems to me that on

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

2017-11-30 Thread Jason Resch
On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 12:30 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 3:33 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 5:03 AM, Telmo Menezes > > wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> If you have some time/patience, let me know what you think of my > arguments > >> here: > >> htt

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

2017-11-30 Thread Brent Meeker
On 11/30/2017 10:30 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: To go further: not so long ago, most people would freely defend that the lives of people from their ethnicity are more valuable than those of other ethnicities. It seems to me that only recently did the civilization process start to oppose this way o

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

2017-11-30 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 3:33 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 5:03 AM, Telmo Menezes > wrote: >> >> >> >> If you have some time/patience, let me know what you think of my arguments >> here: >> https://arxiv.org/abs/1609.02009 >> > > > Telmo, > > Interesting read. Thanks for r

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

2017-11-30 Thread Lawrence Crowell
On Thursday, November 30, 2017 at 4:30:13 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > > > Very interesting. It confirms the christians might have added this when > their integrist took power, as the "golden rule" is a trap, leading to the > idea that we can think at the place of the other, which is th

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

2017-11-30 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 29 Nov 2017, at 21:38, Brent Meeker wrote: On 11/29/2017 3:44 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 28 Nov 2017, at 18:49, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 11:32 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: This question is more interesting. I tend to fall in the camp that we exercise little contro

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

2017-11-29 Thread Brent Meeker
On 11/29/2017 9:54 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday, November 29, 2017 at 8:38:50 PM UTC, Brent wrote: On 11/29/2017 3:44 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 28 Nov 2017, at 18:49, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 11:32 AM, Bruno Marchal > wrote:

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

2017-11-29 Thread agrayson2000
On Wednesday, November 29, 2017 at 8:38:50 PM UTC, Brent wrote: > > > > On 11/29/2017 3:44 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 28 Nov 2017, at 18:49, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 11:32 AM, Bruno Marchal > wrote: >> >> This question is more interesting. I tend to fall in the

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

2017-11-29 Thread Brent Meeker
On 11/29/2017 3:44 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 28 Nov 2017, at 18:49, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 11:32 AM, Bruno Marchal > wrote: This question is more interesting. I tend to fall in the camp that we exercise little control over the ulti

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

2017-11-29 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 29 Nov 2017, at 01:52, Brent Meeker wrote: On 11/28/2017 6:33 AM, Jason Resch wrote: If you look at everything that motivates all human endeavors, it is ultimately, all about realizing and maximizing good experiences while avoiding and minimizing bad experiences. Mostly, but not enti

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

2017-11-29 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 28 Nov 2017, at 18:49, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 11:32 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: This question is more interesting. I tend to fall in the camp that we exercise little control over the ultimate decision made by such a super intelligence, but I am optimistic that a sup

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

2017-11-28 Thread Brent Meeker
On 11/28/2017 6:47 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Wed, 29 Nov 2017 at 11:52 am, Brent Meeker > wrote: On 11/28/2017 6:33 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > If you look at everything that motivates all human endeavors, it is > ultimately, all about realizin

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

2017-11-28 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Wed, 29 Nov 2017 at 11:52 am, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 11/28/2017 6:33 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > If you look at everything that motivates all human endeavors, it is > > ultimately, all about realizing and maximizing good experiences while > > avoiding and minimizing bad experiences. > > M

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

2017-11-28 Thread Jason Resch
On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 6:52 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 11/28/2017 6:33 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > >> If you look at everything that motivates all human endeavors, it is >> ultimately, all about realizing and maximizing good experiences while >> avoiding and minimizing bad experiences. >> > >

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

2017-11-28 Thread Brent Meeker
On 11/28/2017 6:33 AM, Jason Resch wrote: If you look at everything that motivates all human endeavors, it is ultimately, all about realizing and maximizing good experiences while avoiding and minimizing bad experiences. Mostly, but not entirely.  People (especially parents) sacrifice for ot

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

2017-11-28 Thread Jason Resch
On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 11:32 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > This question is more interesting. I tend to fall in the camp that we > exercise little control over the ultimate decision made by such a super > intelligence, but I am optimistic that a super intelligence will, during > the course of its

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

2017-11-28 Thread Bruno Marchal
Jason, I think there might be two ways of interpreting this, each with different answers. The first question: Does AI create more threats that never existed before? No more than a not well educated kid. Especially when with guns and bombs. I think the answer is most definitely

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

2017-11-28 Thread Jason Resch
On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 5:03 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > If you have some time/patience, let me know what you think of my arguments > here: > https://arxiv.org/abs/1609.02009 > > Telmo, Interesting read. In general I have a lot of sympathy for this view. I think there may be an inverse rel

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

2017-11-28 Thread Telmo Menezes
Hi Jason, On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 11:09 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > I think there might be two ways of interpreting this, each with different > answers. > > The first question: Does AI create more threats that never existed before? > > I think the answer is most definitely yes. Some examples: > - La

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

2017-11-28 Thread Telmo Menezes
There is an old sci-fi novel (by Stanislaw Lem I believe), where the main powers decide to move all the automatic weapons to the moon and fight a permanent war there, without harming anyone on earth. Who knows... :) On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 11:33 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: > Scary video...because it'

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

2017-11-27 Thread Brent Meeker
On 11/27/2017 2:35 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 11:09 PM, Jason Resch wrote: I think there might be two ways of interpreting this, each with different answers. The first question: Does AI create more threats that never existed before? I think the answer is most definitel

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

2017-11-27 Thread Lawrence Crowell
On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 4:09:36 PM UTC-6, Jason wrote: > > I think there might be two ways of interpreting this, each with different > answers. > > The first question: Does AI create more threats that never existed before? > > I think the answer is most definitely yes. Some examples: > - L

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

2017-11-27 Thread Brent Meeker
On 11/27/2017 2:09 PM, Jason Resch wrote: I think there might be two ways of interpreting this, each with different answers. The first question: Does AI create more threats that never existed before? I think the answer is most definitely yes. Some examples: - Large scale unemployment/disempo

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

2017-11-27 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 11:09 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > I think there might be two ways of interpreting this, each with different > answers. > > The first question: Does AI create more threats that never existed before? > > I think the answer is most definitely yes. Some examples: > - Large scale u

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

2017-11-27 Thread Brent Meeker
Scary video...because it's nearly true. http://autonomousweapons.org/ Brent On 11/27/2017 1:32 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: IIRC, this is the view of Hawking and Musk. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe f

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

2017-11-27 Thread Jason Resch
I think there might be two ways of interpreting this, each with different answers. The first question: Does AI create more threats that never existed before? I think the answer is most definitely yes. Some examples: - Large scale unemployment/disempowerment of people who cannot compete with incre

Is AI really a threat to mankind?

2017-11-27 Thread agrayson2000
IIRC, this is the view of Hawking and Musk. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this grou