[expert] Optimizing/rebuilding srpms- new info

2003-03-05 Thread Robert Crawford
Not to resurrect the optimizing/rebuilding srpms discussion again, but I ran across some new info. This is related to gcc compiler performance, but I think it indicates that it's definitely worthwhile to optimize the major apps and libraries. Anyway, for those interested, this site offers some

Re: [expert] Zip disk question

2003-03-05 Thread Bill Mullen
On Wed, 2003-03-05 at 02:32, Alan wrote: I upgraded a system from 8.0 to 9.0. Now I cannot find the Zip disk device. My old /dev/zip symlink has been blown away and I cannot find the scsi-ide device it is supposed to be. Some thoughts ... Is the ide-scsi module being loaded at boot time

RE: Re: [expert] No internet avalaible with rc2 for my cablemodem

2003-03-05 Thread falcaraz
James, I put it, in fact the bug is related with shorewall, as soon as I install shorewall I loss the internet, but I can ping to any computer avalaible in the net. Thank for you interest Francisco Alcaraz Murcia (Spain) - Mensaje Original - Remitente: James Sparenberg [EMAIL

Re: [expert] Mdk 9.0 on old tack

2003-03-05 Thread Anne Wilson
On Wednesday 05 Mar 2003 7:19 am, James Sparenberg wrote: On Tue, 2003-03-04 at 14:00, Anne Wilson wrote: On Tuesday 04 Mar 2003 9:51 pm, civileme wrote: On Tuesday 04 March 2003 08:26 am, Anne Wilson wrote: On Tuesday 04 Mar 2003 3:05 pm, et wrote: On Tuesday 04 March 2003 09:29

Re: [expert] Mandrake's Golden Opportunity

2003-03-05 Thread Anne Wilson
On Wednesday 05 Mar 2003 7:24 am, Bill Mullen wrote: On Tue, 2003-03-04 at 22:52, Jim Hubbard wrote: I think that now is a really good time for Mandrake to reconsider their end of life policy. Here's how I see it: Redhat has effectively shut out the very folks who made their distro popular

Re: [expert] ASUS A7V8X KT400 AGP3.0 bios switch

2003-03-05 Thread Adrian Golumbovici
Yikes. It still uses AGP 3.0 even if I set it to use 4x speed. It seems that the KT400 chipsets do this as soon as you put a AGP 3.0 compatible card in it. Anyone know if there is any bios which allows falling back to AGP 2.0? Did anyone manage to contact ASUS or VIA support and ask how to set the

RE: Re: [expert] No internet avalaible with rc2 for my cable modem

2003-03-05 Thread James Sparenberg
I've noticed a number of people saying that they are having trouble with shorewall but bastille is working well for them... You might try that. I've got a small dedicated router these days (after 8 years 24/7 running and god knows how many OS's my firewall box died a while back) So I don't use

Re: [expert] 8.2 - 9.0, msec ran and now cups unable to bind socket

2003-03-05 Thread David Whiting
On Tue, Mar 04, 2003 at 11:30:40PM -0800, Alan wrote: On Wed, 2003-03-05 at 01:12, David Whiting wrote: Hi, I've just upgraded from 8.2 to 9.0 (just as everyone else is getting exited about 9.1 :-) and have a printing problem. msec_find ran this morning and now cups is unable to bind

Re: [expert] 8.2 - 9.0, msec ran and now cups unable to bind socket

2003-03-05 Thread Anne Wilson
On Wednesday 05 Mar 2003 1:48 pm, David Whiting wrote: I get this message in /var/log/messages though. Any chance it is related? [alert] httpd: Could not determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for ServerName I don't know whether it's related or not, but have you

Re: [expert] Mandrake's Golden Opportunity

2003-03-05 Thread Norman
Jim Hubbard wrote: I think that now is a really good time for Mandrake to reconsider their end of life policy. Here's how I see it: Redhat has effectively shut out the very folks who made their distro popular by changing their update system to a paid service and by saying that they'll only

Re: [expert] Routing Question

2003-03-05 Thread Adolfo Bello
On Wed, 2003-03-05 at 01:13, Sevatio wrote: Pierre Fortin wrote: On Tue, 04 Mar 2003 20:35:06 -0800 Sevatio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OS: Mandrake 9.0 I'm not sure if this is possible but I'll see if any of you guys know how to do this. I have a cable modem connected to a hub.

Re: [expert] 8.2 - 9.0, msec ran and now cups unable to bind socket

2003-03-05 Thread David Whiting
On Wed, Mar 05, 2003 at 11:13:19AM +, Anne Wilson wrote: On Wednesday 05 Mar 2003 1:48 pm, David Whiting wrote: I get this message in /var/log/messages though. Any chance it is related? [alert] httpd: Could not determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for

Re: [expert] No internet avalaible with rc2 for my cable modem

2003-03-05 Thread Greg Meyer
On Wednesday 05 March 2003 02:43 am, James Sparenberg wrote: On Tue, 2003-03-04 at 13:56, Francisco Alcaraz Ariza wrote: Must of the test I could do with rc2 will be impossible without internet runing. Any clues to activate the internet conection for the cable modem will be very

Re: [expert] No internet avalaible with rc2 for my cable modem

2003-03-05 Thread Greg Meyer
On Wednesday 05 March 2003 04:17 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: James, I put it, in fact the bug is related with shorewall, as soon as I install shorewall I loss the internet, but I can ping to any computer avalaible in the net. Thank for you interest I have not experienced this at all. I

Re: [expert] Routing Question

2003-03-05 Thread Pierre Fortin
On Tue, 04 Mar 2003 21:13:47 -0800 Sevatio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pierre Fortin wrote: On Tue, 04 Mar 2003 20:35:06 -0800 Sevatio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OS: Mandrake 9.0 I'm not sure if this is possible but I'll see if any of you guys know how to do this. I have a cable

Re: [expert] 8.2 - 9.0, msec ran and now cups unable to bind socket

2003-03-05 Thread Anne Wilson
On Wednesday 05 Mar 2003 3:08 pm, David Whiting wrote: On Wed, Mar 05, 2003 at 11:13:19AM +, Anne Wilson wrote: On Wednesday 05 Mar 2003 1:48 pm, David Whiting wrote: I get this message in /var/log/messages though. Any chance it is related? [alert] httpd: Could not determine

Re: [expert] Routing Question

2003-03-05 Thread Adolfo Bello
On Wed, 2003-03-05 at 08:55, Pierre Fortin wrote: OK... let's try again... for a start, can you give the output of route -n for each host? Somehow, I've always believed what a system tells me over what a user tells me... :) I back this one, at least regarding to system config :-) --

Re: [expert] Routing Question

2003-03-05 Thread Adolfo Bello
On Wed, 2003-03-05 at 08:55, Pierre Fortin wrote: OK... let's try again... for a start, can you give the output of route -n for each host? Or the output of ifconfig eth0 for each box. -- __ / \\ @ __ __@ Adolfo Bello [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [expert] 8.2 - 9.0, msec ran and now cups unable to bindsocket

2003-03-05 Thread Pierre Fortin
On Wed, 5 Mar 2003 13:48:36 + David Whiting [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Mar 04, 2003 at 11:30:40PM -0800, Alan wrote: On Wed, 2003-03-05 at 01:12, David Whiting wrote: Hi, I've just upgraded from 8.2 to 9.0 (just as everyone else is getting exited about 9.1 :-) and have a

Re: [expert] Routing Question

2003-03-05 Thread Pierre Fortin
On 05 Mar 2003 09:50:02 -0400 Adolfo Bello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2003-03-05 at 08:55, Pierre Fortin wrote: OK... let's try again... for a start, can you give the output of route-n for each host? Or the output of ifconfig eth0 for each box. ^^ I'm looking forward to

Re: [expert] Mandrake's Golden Opportunity

2003-03-05 Thread Tom Brinkman
On Wednesday March 5 2003 01:00 am, James Sparenberg wrote: On Tue, 2003-03-04 at 19:52, Jim Hubbard wrote: Oh and one more thing. For God's sake please don't release iso's this time until AFTER the retail product is on shelves. No one point you made is more loudly echo'd by me than the

Re: [expert] 8.2 - 9.0, msec ran and now cups unable to bindsocket

2003-03-05 Thread Adolfo Bello
On Wed, 2003-03-05 at 09:48, David Whiting wrote: I get this message in /var/log/messages though. Any chance it is related? [alert] httpd: Could not determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for ServerName If not, I'll worry about this one another day. It

Re: [expert] ASUS A7V8X KT400 AGP3.0 bios switch

2003-03-05 Thread Mark Watts
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Yikes. It still uses AGP 3.0 even if I set it to use 4x speed. It seems that the KT400 chipsets do this as soon as you put a AGP 3.0 compatible card in it. Anyone know if there is any bios which allows falling back to AGP 2.0? Did anyone manage

Re: [expert] Routing Question

2003-03-05 Thread Adolfo Bello
On Wed, 2003-03-05 at 10:02, Pierre Fortin wrote: On 05 Mar 2003 09:50:02 -0400 Adolfo Bello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2003-03-05 at 08:55, Pierre Fortin wrote: OK... let's try again... for a start, can you give the output of route-n for each host? Or the output of

Re: [expert] Zip disk question

2003-03-05 Thread Ronald J. Hall
On Wednesday 05 March 2003 02:32 am, Alan wrote: I upgraded a system from 8.0 to 9.0. Now I cannot find the Zip disk device. My old /dev/zip symlink has been blown away and I cannot find the scsi-ide device it is supposed to be. Any ideas on how to make this work again? Have you looked in

Re: [expert] Routing Question

2003-03-05 Thread Adolfo Bello
On Wed, 2003-03-05 at 10:02, Pierre Fortin wrote: On 05 Mar 2003 09:50:02 -0400 Adolfo Bello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2003-03-05 at 08:55, Pierre Fortin wrote: OK... let's try again... for a start, can you give the output of route-n for each host? Or the output of

Re: [expert] 8.2 - 9.0, msec ran and now cups unable to bindsocket

2003-03-05 Thread Adolfo Bello
On Wed, 2003-03-05 at 09:27, Anne Wilson wrote: On Wednesday 05 Mar 2003 3:08 pm, David Whiting wrote: On Wed, Mar 05, 2003 at 11:13:19AM +, Anne Wilson wrote: On Wednesday 05 Mar 2003 1:48 pm, David Whiting wrote: I get this message in /var/log/messages though. Any chance it is

[expert] ALSA + vt8233 = noisy in background

2003-03-05 Thread Alan Wilter Sousa da Silva
Hi List! I got Alsa 0.9 rc8 working on my MDK 9.0 but when running xmms, or any other that needs decoding, I got a crap noisy in background. That also happened with alsa rc6 which came with MDK 9.0. My sound hw is Via 8233 AC'97. I tried OSS (commercial) just to check my hardware and I must

Re: [expert] ASUS A7V8X KT400 AGP3.0 bios switch

2003-03-05 Thread Adrian Golumbovici
Yeah, I know. But somehow: insmod agpgart doesn't work. agp_try_unsupported=1 still no go. So dunno what else to do. :( Best regards, Adrian - Original Message - From: Mark Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 3:39 PM Subject: Re: [expert] ASUS

Re: [expert] libGLcore.so.2 -- Where are you??

2003-03-05 Thread Luca Olivetti
James Sparenberg wrote: It's caused when the builder of the application has an NVidia video card and you don't I've had good luck with these by doing a nodeps install. This is I fear going to become an increasing problem as more and more builders have this card installed and since rpm

Re: [expert] libGLcore.so.2 -- Where are you??

2003-03-05 Thread Luca Olivetti
Luca Olivetti wrote: say ignore this dependency I don't know a way around it. Like I've Yes, there's a workaround developed by Buchan Milne but I don't have an URL right now. Now I have found it http://lists.zarb.org/pipermail/plf-discuss/2002-December/001053.html Still I'd like to know why

Re: [expert] Routing Question

2003-03-05 Thread Pierre Fortin
On 05 Mar 2003 10:46:39 -0400 Adolfo Bello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2003-03-05 at 10:02, Pierre Fortin wrote: On 05 Mar 2003 09:50:02 -0400 Adolfo Bello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2003-03-05 at 08:55, Pierre Fortin wrote: OK... let's try again... for a start, can you

Re: [expert] Zip disk question

2003-03-05 Thread Ken Thompson
On Wednesday 05 March 2003 01:51 am, Bill Mullen wrote: On Wed, 2003-03-05 at 02:32, Alan wrote: I upgraded a system from 8.0 to 9.0. Now I cannot find the Zip disk device. My old /dev/zip symlink has been blown away and I cannot find the scsi-ide device it is supposed to be. Some

Re: [expert] Mandrake's Golden Opportunity

2003-03-05 Thread Keith Powell
I agree that the boxed sets should be made available before the download version. Possibly four weeks before would be a good timescale. However, I can see problems with making a version available for club members to download at the same time as the boxed versions are available. This assumes

RE: [expert] Mandrake's Golden Opportunity

2003-03-05 Thread Jim Hubbard
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Norman Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 6:41 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] Mandrake's Golden Opportunity WHen I first heard Mandrake had problems I upped my club membership to silver.

Re: [expert] Mandrake's Golden Opportunity

2003-03-05 Thread Greg Meyer
On Wednesday 05 March 2003 10:55 am, Keith Powell wrote: This makes it a very difficult decision for people who either have no credit card, or who, like me will not send my credit card details either over the internet or by the equally open FAX. They will not even accept credit card details

[expert] did anyone succeed in compiling the 2.5.64 kernel?

2003-03-05 Thread Adrian Golumbovici
I disabled a lot of hardware I don't have which was giving compile errors, but trying to do a make bzImage or make bzlilo give an error after finishing compiling the kerenl at the point where it should create the compressed immage. It chokes inside the scripts/Makefile.build by complaining it

Re: [expert] Routing Question

2003-03-05 Thread Adolfo Bello
On Wed, 2003-03-05 at 11:48, Pierre Fortin wrote: Here's a concrete example to illustrate my point -- NO changes were made which would be visible to ifconfig output... feel free to try it yourself... Here, routing is direct between the hosts... # route -n Kernel IP routing table

Re: [expert] Mandrake's Golden Opportunity

2003-03-05 Thread Jack Coates
On Wed, 2003-03-05 at 01:27, Anne Wilson wrote: ... As for the idea of making early downloads available to club members, it would only work if club members don't pass on copies until the boxed sets are available. It could work, though, if club members use that time to get to know the

Re: [expert] mailman problem

2003-03-05 Thread Vincent Danen
On Tue Mar 04, 2003 at 01:44:48PM -0800, Jack Coates wrote: Can you grab mailman -3mdk from cooker and rebuild it and give it a try? You might even be able to use the binary, although I'm not sure. IIRC, I did some fixes to clean that up, but I don't really use mailman, or even

Re: [expert] Mandrake's Golden Opportunity

2003-03-05 Thread J. Grant
Hi Keith, Using HTTPS is much more secure than sending via post. I am also in the UK, I have never been the victim of online fraud. However before the net revolution some one did charge my CC and it was refunded. All online CC have a garentee against fraud just like anything else. MDK could

[expert] No Power Management

2003-03-05 Thread Adolfo Bello
I upgraded to kernel-2.4.19-24 (this time from MandrakeClub) and turned on all ACPI settings but DEBUG. I hoped I could suspend or hibernate my laptop and mostly, spend more time working on battery (only like 30 minutes while in XP using ACPI more than 90 minutes). For some reason that I have no

RE: [expert] Mandrake's Golden Opportunity

2003-03-05 Thread Jim Hubbard
This thread is beginning to stray from the original point I was trying to make, which is that Mandrake has an opportunity to pick up where Redhat has left off. There are many folks out there that are looking for the same benefits that running Redhat provided only a few months ago, but now does

Re: [expert] No Power Management

2003-03-05 Thread Praedor Atrebates
On Wednesday 05 March 2003 12:28 pm, Adolfo Bello wrote: I upgraded to kernel-2.4.19-24 (this time from MandrakeClub) and turned on all ACPI settings but DEBUG. I hoped I could suspend or hibernate my laptop and mostly, spend more time working on battery (only like 30 minutes while in XP

Re: [expert] Routing Question

2003-03-05 Thread Pierre Fortin
On 05 Mar 2003 12:22:51 -0400 Adolfo Bello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2003-03-05 at 11:48, Pierre Fortin wrote: Here's a concrete example to illustrate my point -- NO changes were made which would be visible to ifconfig output... feel free to try it yourself... Here, routing

Re: [expert] Mandrake's Golden Opportunity

2003-03-05 Thread Greg Meyer
On Wednesday 05 March 2003 12:14 pm, J. Grant wrote: Hi Keith, Using HTTPS is much more secure than sending via post. I am also in the UK, I have never been the victim of online fraud. However before the net revolution some one did charge my CC and it was refunded. All online CC have a

Re: [expert] No Power Management

2003-03-05 Thread Jack Coates
On Wed, 2003-03-05 at 09:40, Praedor Atrebates wrote: ... For some reason that I have no idea, the laptop power management applet doesn't work and it gives the message: Your computer seems to have a partial ACPI installation. Probably ACPI was enabled, but some of the sub-options were not

Re: [expert] Mandrake's Golden Opportunity

2003-03-05 Thread synrat
I'm pretty sure there was a good reason for redhat to make life shorter for their releases. After all it is the only commercially successful distro. They wouldn't shoot themselves in the foot or in the head like that I'm positive they know what they're doing. No serious admin. would install

[expert] No reboot fixed--but why?

2003-03-05 Thread Miark
I have an old backup machine that doesn't reboot or powerdown in Linux, but yesterday I got the idea to try apm=off at bootup. The machine now reboots and powers down perfectly. I'd like to know why, but the only anomaly I noticed is that APM is disabled in the BIOS. If APM is disabled in the

Re: [expert] libGLcore.so.2 -- Where are you??

2003-03-05 Thread James Sparenberg
On Wed, 2003-03-05 at 07:30, Luca Olivetti wrote: James Sparenberg wrote: It's caused when the builder of the application has an NVidia video card and you don't I've had good luck with these by doing a nodeps install. This is I fear going to become an increasing problem as more

Re: [expert] Mandrake's Golden Opportunity

2003-03-05 Thread James Sparenberg
On Wed, 2003-03-05 at 08:22, Jack Coates wrote: On Wed, 2003-03-05 at 01:27, Anne Wilson wrote: ... As for the idea of making early downloads available to club members, it would only work if club members don't pass on copies until the boxed sets are available. It could work, though, if

Re: [expert] No reboot fixed--but why?

2003-03-05 Thread Jack Coates
On Wed, 2003-03-05 at 10:29, Miark wrote: I have an old backup machine that doesn't reboot or powerdown in Linux, but yesterday I got the idea to try apm=off at bootup. The machine now reboots and powers down perfectly. I'd like to know why, but the only anomaly I noticed is that APM is

Re: [expert] Mandrake's Golden Opportunity

2003-03-05 Thread Ric Tibbetts
I think part of Redhats motivation was the far too numerious requests for requests like: When will redhat make rpms for kde3.1 for Redhat 7.3? And such. Truth is, they won't. But people don't seem to get the picture. So they had to put an eol on there. I know, there are plentyof other reasons,

Re: [expert] libGLcore.so.2 -- Where are you??

2003-03-05 Thread Jack Coates
On Wed, 2003-03-05 at 10:30, James Sparenberg wrote: ... 2. Either/or . For building rpms that deploy across multiple platforms. Then if 2 packages with different names both supply a needed function or library it would look for one then the other. Really helpful when you have something

Re: [expert] Mandrake's Golden Opportunity

2003-03-05 Thread James Sparenberg
On Wed, 2003-03-05 at 07:55, Keith Powell wrote: I agree that the boxed sets should be made available before the download version. Possibly four weeks before would be a good timescale. However, I can see problems with making a version available for club members to download at the same time

Re: [expert] No reboot fixed--but why?

2003-03-05 Thread Ric Tibbetts
Jack Coates wrote: On Wed, 2003-03-05 at 10:29, Miark wrote: I have an old backup machine that doesn't reboot or powerdown in Linux, but yesterday I got the idea to try apm=off at bootup. The machine now reboots and powers down perfectly. I'd like to know why, but the only anomaly I noticed is

Re: [expert] Mandrake's Golden Opportunity

2003-03-05 Thread Anne Wilson
On Wednesday 05 Mar 2003 6:52 pm, James Sparenberg wrote: On Wed, 2003-03-05 at 07:55, Keith Powell wrote: A small Canadian firm from whom I buy things, will accept payment by any of the above methods, and also by a cheque made out in GB Pounds for the current rate of exchange between

Re: [expert] No internet avalaible with rc2 for my cable modem

2003-03-05 Thread James Sparenberg
On Wed, 2003-03-05 at 04:48, Greg Meyer wrote: On Wednesday 05 March 2003 04:17 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: James, I put it, in fact the bug is related with shorewall, as soon as I install shorewall I loss the internet, but I can ping to any computer avalaible in the net. Thank for

Re: [expert] Novell Client for Mandrake

2003-03-05 Thread Todd Lyons
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Eko Budiharto wrote on Mon, Mar 03, 2003 at 02:02:10PM +0700 : Hi, I am new with Mandrake. I am using Mandrake for users as a client in my office. I would like to ask how to access Novell v. 3.12 from Mandrake 9.0. How can I do that? You'll want

Re: [expert] libGLcore.so.2 -- Where are you??

2003-03-05 Thread James Sparenberg
On Wed, 2003-03-05 at 10:52, Jack Coates wrote: On Wed, 2003-03-05 at 10:30, James Sparenberg wrote: ... 2. Either/or . For building rpms that deploy across multiple platforms. Then if 2 packages with different names both supply a needed function or library it would look for one then

[expert] Re: Thank YOU!

2003-03-05 Thread Todd Lyons
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Scott, I'm sending this to the expert mailing list and bcc'ing you to protect your email address. Scott St. John wrote on Wed, Mar 05, 2003 at 01:15:43PM -0500 : I run an ISP and we have a spam problem so I was looking for ways to block some of

Re: [expert] No reboot fixed--but why?

2003-03-05 Thread James Sparenberg
On Wed, 2003-03-05 at 10:55, Ric Tibbetts wrote: Jack Coates wrote: On Wed, 2003-03-05 at 10:29, Miark wrote: I have an old backup machine that doesn't reboot or powerdown in Linux, but yesterday I got the idea to try apm=off at bootup. The machine now reboots and powers down perfectly.

Re: [expert] ALSA + vt8233 = noisy in background

2003-03-05 Thread James Sparenberg
On Wed, 2003-03-05 at 07:19, Alan Wilter Sousa da Silva wrote: Hi List! I got Alsa 0.9 rc8 working on my MDK 9.0 but when running xmms, or any other that needs decoding, I got a crap noisy in background. That also happened with alsa rc6 which came with MDK 9.0. You might want to wait for a

[expert] 9.1rc2 isos

2003-03-05 Thread Praedor Atrebates
Could someone please tell me what the following iso images are for within the 9.1rc2 iso i586 directory? Clic-PH1-9.0-SNAP-DEC2002.iso MandrakeSecurity-MNF.i586.iso praedor Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com

Re: [expert] No reboot fixed--but why?

2003-03-05 Thread Miark
I don't know that it makes much difference, but it was a desktop machine, not a laptop. Miark On 05 Mar 2003 10:47:28 -0800 Jack Coates [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2003-03-05 at 10:29, Miark wrote: I have an old backup machine that doesn't reboot or powerdown in Linux, but yesterday

Re: [expert] Mandrake's Golden Opportunity

2003-03-05 Thread Vincent Danen
On Tue Mar 04, 2003 at 10:52:18PM -0500, Jim Hubbard wrote: I think that now is a really good time for Mandrake to reconsider their end of life policy. Here's how I see it: Redhat has effectively shut out the very folks who made their distro popular by changing their update system to a paid

Re: [expert] 9.1rc2 isos

2003-03-05 Thread James Sparenberg
On Wed, 2003-03-05 at 11:07, Praedor Atrebates wrote: Could someone please tell me what the following iso images are for within the 9.1rc2 iso i586 directory? Clic-PH1-9.0-SNAP-DEC2002.iso Clic is a clustered version of MDK that uses ka-urpmi... MandrakeSecurity-MNF.i586.iso Multi

Re: [expert] No reboot fixed--but why?

2003-03-05 Thread Miark
I've had this problem from 8.2 to 9.1. You're right that acpi _was_ was off by default when I put RC2 on the box yesterday. But that didn't make a difference--I still had to add apm=off. Miark On 05 Mar 2003 11:06:36 -0800 James Sparenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know what kernel

Re: [expert] Mandrake's Golden Opportunity

2003-03-05 Thread Vincent Danen
On Wed Mar 05, 2003 at 02:24:09AM -0500, Bill Mullen wrote: [...] Another possible benefit of Jim's proposal is the shift it could bring in the (wholly inaccurate, but unfortunately all too common) perception of Mandrake as a limited distro that is exclusively aimed at the desktop user and

Re: [expert] Mdk 9.0 on old tack

2003-03-05 Thread Todd Lyons
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 James Sparenberg wrote on Tue, Mar 04, 2003 at 11:19:25PM -0800 : If I remember right typing a tab at the prompt after doing f1 will give you the available kernels. There are additional ones available in the past on disk 2 ... you might also

Re: [expert] Mandrake's Golden Opportunity

2003-03-05 Thread Vincent Danen
On Wed Mar 05, 2003 at 10:49:02AM -0800, Ric Tibbetts wrote: I think part of Redhats motivation was the far too numerious requests for requests like: When will redhat make rpms for kde3.1 for Redhat 7.3? And such. Truth is, they won't. But people don't seem to get the picture. So they

Re: [expert] Linux Mail Servers for Win clients

2003-03-05 Thread Todd Lyons
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Scott St. John wrote on Tue, Mar 04, 2003 at 10:05:26AM -0500 : As one who is not familiar with qmail how do you rate it against Postfix? I am seeing more and more sites using qmail, but sadly I don't know much about it. I rate them both about

Re: [expert] 9.1rc2 isos

2003-03-05 Thread Vincent Danen
On Wed Mar 05, 2003 at 11:27:09AM -0800, James Sparenberg wrote: MandrakeSecurity-MNF.i586.iso Multi Network Firewall (full distro btw) based on 9.0 Replaces SNF (based on 7.2) Based on 8.2, not 9.0. There are maybe 5-6 packages that came from 9.0; the rest are from 8.2. --

Re: [expert] Linux Mail Servers for Win clients

2003-03-05 Thread Todd Lyons
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Norman wrote on Tue, Mar 04, 2003 at 02:32:48PM + : Hi all, I have been asked if I can set up a Linux box to replace an NT server. What has been requested is that it be file server, mail server, print server and firewall and that external

Re: [expert] Mandrake's Golden Opportunity

2003-03-05 Thread Keith Powell
On Wednesday 05 March 2003 5:35 pm, Jim Hubbard wrote: This thread is beginning to stray from the original point I was trying to make, which is that Mandrake has an opportunity to pick up where Redhat has left off. There are many folks out there that are looking for the same benefits that

Re: [expert] Mdk 9.0 on old tack

2003-03-05 Thread James Sparenberg
On Wed, 2003-03-05 at 11:35, Todd Lyons wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 James Sparenberg wrote on Tue, Mar 04, 2003 at 11:19:25PM -0800 : If I remember right typing a tab at the prompt after doing f1 will give you the available kernels. There are additional

Re: [expert] Mandrake's Golden Opportunity

2003-03-05 Thread James Sparenberg
On Wed, 2003-03-05 at 11:31, Vincent Danen wrote: On Wed Mar 05, 2003 at 10:49:02AM -0800, Ric Tibbetts wrote: I think part of Redhats motivation was the far too numerious requests for requests like: When will redhat make rpms for kde3.1 for Redhat 7.3? And such. Truth is, they

Re: [expert] Mandrake's Golden Opportunity

2003-03-05 Thread Todd Lyons
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jim Hubbard wrote on Wed, Mar 05, 2003 at 11:08:02AM -0500 : open-source users the wrong way, including me. Mandrake has exactly the right idea with MandrakeClub, but unfortunately, the current EOL policy (Mandrake's and Redhat's) is just a

RE: [expert] Mandrake's Golden Opportunity

2003-03-05 Thread Franki
my concern with all of this.. is that M$ is telling people that the lower cost of linux (ie they mean free) is not the full picture, and the extra training etc and so on should be taken into account when working out TCO... with redhat and Mandrake server products.. the actual product price is

Re: [expert] No reboot fixed--but why?

2003-03-05 Thread James Sparenberg
On Wed, 2003-03-05 at 11:28, Miark wrote: I've had this problem from 8.2 to 9.1. You're right that acpi _was_ was off by default when I put RC2 on the box yesterday. But that didn't make a difference--I still had to add apm=off. Miark Correct.. My reference was to the statement before

Re: Re: [expert] No internet avalaible with rc2 for my cable modem

2003-03-05 Thread Todd Lyons
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 James Sparenberg wrote on Wed, Mar 05, 2003 at 02:17:02AM -0800 : I've noticed a number of people saying that they are having trouble with shorewall but bastille is working well for them... You might try that. It is purely familiarity. Shorewall

Re: [expert] did anyone succeed in compiling the 2.5.64 kernel?

2003-03-05 Thread Todd Lyons
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Adrian Golumbovici wrote on Wed, Mar 05, 2003 at 05:10:57PM +0100 : I disabled a lot of hardware I don't have which was giving compile errors, but trying to do a make bzImage or make bzlilo give an error after finishing compiling the kerenl at

Re: [expert] No Power Management

2003-03-05 Thread Todd Lyons
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Praedor Atrebates wrote on Wed, Mar 05, 2003 at 12:40:06PM -0500 : I have run into the same thing with kernel-2.4.21pre4-10mdk. I built it with all ACPI enabled as you did but I get the same message and no power management. It did work for me

Re: [expert] Mandrake's Golden Opportunity

2003-03-05 Thread Vincent Danen
On Wed Mar 05, 2003 at 12:37:32PM -0800, Todd Lyons wrote: open-source users the wrong way, including me. Mandrake has exactly the right idea with MandrakeClub, but unfortunately, the current EOL policy (Mandrake's and Redhat's) is just a dealbreaker when it comes to a server OS. Just

Re: [expert] 9.1rc2 isos

2003-03-05 Thread James Sparenberg
On Wed, 2003-03-05 at 11:38, Vincent Danen wrote: On Wed Mar 05, 2003 at 11:27:09AM -0800, James Sparenberg wrote: MandrakeSecurity-MNF.i586.iso Multi Network Firewall (full distro btw) based on 9.0 Replaces SNF (based on 7.2) Based on 8.2, not 9.0. There are maybe 5-6 packages

Re: [expert] Mandrake's Golden Opportunity

2003-03-05 Thread Vincent Danen
On Wed Mar 05, 2003 at 12:29:42PM -0800, James Sparenberg wrote: I think part of Redhats motivation was the far too numerious requests for requests like: When will redhat make rpms for kde3.1 for Redhat 7.3? And such. Truth is, they won't. But people don't seem to get the

Re: [expert] Re: Thank YOU!

2003-03-05 Thread James Sparenberg
On Wed, 2003-03-05 at 11:02, Todd Lyons wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Scott, I'm sending this to the expert mailing list and bcc'ing you to protect your email address. Scott St. John wrote on Wed, Mar 05, 2003 at 01:15:43PM -0500 : I run an ISP and we have a

Re: [expert] Re: Thank YOU!

2003-03-05 Thread Todd Lyons
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 James Sparenberg wrote on Wed, Mar 05, 2003 at 12:44:58PM -0800 : One curiosity... has anyone tried the spam killer talked about in the last issue of Linux magazine? It apparently learns about spam and is able to dynamically block it, as the

Re: [expert] Mdk 9.0 on old tack

2003-03-05 Thread Todd Lyons
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 James Sparenberg wrote on Wed, Mar 05, 2003 at 12:23:38PM -0800 : I said If I remember right.. :) But I will check out the tab feature on the rc2 disks.. Haven't had to use it in a long long time. But there should be a way to list the

Re: [expert] Mandrake's Golden Opportunity

2003-03-05 Thread Todd Lyons
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 James Sparenberg wrote on Wed, Mar 05, 2003 at 12:29:42PM -0800 : And moreif you have ever tried to compile a kernel on 8.0 grin I've seen people complain about this. I think I'm going to find an 8.0 machine and see what the big hubbub is

Re: [expert] Mandrake's Golden Opportunity

2003-03-05 Thread Vincent Danen
On Thu Mar 06, 2003 at 04:39:13AM +0800, Franki wrote: my concern with all of this.. is that M$ is telling people that the lower cost of linux (ie they mean free) is not the full picture, and the extra training etc and so on should be taken into account when working out TCO... with

[expert] OK, what am I doing wrong when compiling a new kernel?!?

2003-03-05 Thread Adrian Golumbovici
I do: make menuconfig make dep make clean make bzlilo make modules make modules_install lilo Everything works fine, but beside the new compiled kernel I cannot boot any other pre-existing kernel in my lilo.conf. :/ If I install a system update I get a new kernel (from the update) and I still can

[expert] ML9.0 installation fails on step 'Hard drive detection' (WDC WD800AB-00CBA1)

2003-03-05 Thread Andreas Weiss
hi, the installation of ML9.0 on a new PC hangs on the step Hard drive detection -- starting step 'setupSCSI' with no error messages. The harddisk is a Western Digital WDC WD800AB-00CBA1. I can install Suse Linux, but only with the kernel parameters: ide=nodma apm=off acpi=off With ML these

Re: [expert] Re: Thank YOU!

2003-03-05 Thread Steffen Barszus
On Wednesday 05 March 2003 21:51, Todd Lyons wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 James Sparenberg wrote on Wed, Mar 05, 2003 at 12:44:58PM -0800 : One curiosity... has anyone tried the spam killer talked about in the last issue of Linux magazine? It apparently learns

RE: [expert] Mandrake's Golden Opportunity

2003-03-05 Thread Franki
noone is suggesting that it all be given away for free. Microsoft spend big dollars before each release working out exactly what $$$ amount would net them the most sales/most income..(not alway the same thing)... It just seems that mandrake has not put a huge amount of thought into what they

RE: [expert] Mandrake's Golden Opportunity

2003-03-05 Thread Jim Hubbard
You know, I understand that developing software is hard. I know I can't do it. And not to make light of developer's efforts (many of them volunteers!), but to someone who's choosing a server OS, it doesn't matter even a little bit how hard the developer's job is. I bet none of them could do my

automatic upgrades via install + drakautoinst WAS: [expert] Mandrake's Golden Opportunity

2003-03-05 Thread Mark Stewart
This is sort of tangential to the EOL discussion but... Is it possible to use drakautoinst to automate an effectively upgrade a machine from one release to another? Rather than try to use the upgrade option which so rarely succeeds it seems like it wouldn't necessarily be hard to automate the

Re: [expert] Re: Thank YOU!

2003-03-05 Thread Todd Lyons
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Steffen Barszus wrote on Wed, Mar 05, 2003 at 11:13:44PM +0100 : It's called Bayesian Filtering and is in SpamAssassin as well. The more emails $SPAMFILTER is exposed to, the better it gets. In my case, I'm That sounds great but I hesitate to

RE: [expert] Mandrake's Golden Opportunity

2003-03-05 Thread Bill Mullen
On Wed, 2003-03-05 at 12:35, Jim Hubbard wrote: This thread is beginning to stray from the original point I was trying to make, which is that Mandrake has an opportunity to pick up where Redhat has left off. There are many folks out there that are looking for the same benefits that running

Re: [expert] OK, what am I doing wrong when compiling a new kernel?!?

2003-03-05 Thread Todd Lyons
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Adrian Golumbovici wrote on Wed, Mar 05, 2003 at 10:40:12PM +0100 : Everything works fine, but beside the new compiled kernel I cannot boot any other pre-existing kernel in my lilo.conf. :/ Post your /etc/lilo.conf. Most likely, if it's the

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