Re: [expert] 8.0 final --brakes MANY applications (my final .02)

2001-05-04 Thread Mark Weaver
Chuck, you're quite welcome...and as a side note...just to stir the pot a little :) I have a feeling that it's just the newer WD drives that are having this problem. at least more so then the older ones cause just yesterday at work I install 8.0 on two WD drives successfully the first time thro

WD disk drives (was Re[2]: [expert] 8.0 final --brakes MANY applications (Software Installeris first on that list))

2001-04-26 Thread Rusty Carruth
Ok, I'll add my U.S. $.02 to the brouhaha about WD disk drives: Up until 2 years ago, I didn't care really one way or the other - just went for best price. I still tend to lean toward best price (I recently (about 2 months ago) bought a 40G Quantum for $120 after rebate!), however abt 2 years a

RE: Offlist: [expert] 8.0 final --brakes MANY applications (Software Installeris first on that list)

2001-04-25 Thread ninjaz
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > Todd Lyons > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 4:24 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Offlist: [expert] 8.0 final --brakes MANY applications > (Software Installeris first on that list) > > > "Jose M. San

RE: Offlist: [expert] 8.0 final --brakes MANY applications (Software Installeris first on that list)

2001-04-25 Thread Jose M. Sanchez
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Todd Lyons Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 4:24 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Offlist: [expert] 8.0 final --brakes MANY applications (Software Installeris first on that list) "Jose M. Sanchez&q

RE: Offlist: [expert] 8.0 final --brakes MANY applications (Software Installeris first on that list)

2001-04-25 Thread Jose M. Sanchez
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Todd Lyons Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 4:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Offlist: [expert] 8.0 final --brakes MANY applications (Software Installeris first on that list) "Jose M. Sanchez&q

Re: [expert] 8.0 final --brakes MANY applications (Software Installeris first on that list)

2001-04-25 Thread Walter Luffman
On Wednesday 25 April 2001 06:40 pm, email wrote: > > Stay away from Western Digital and Maxtor. Especially > > Maxtor (in my opinion). > > Why do you say that. I've hd nothing but good luck with Maxtor hardrives. > I currently have a ten, 2 twenties, and 1 thirty at home that are running > just

Re: [expert] 8.0 final --brakes MANY applications

2001-04-25 Thread John D. Kim
On Mon, 23 Apr 2001, Pedro Del Medico Piermattei wrote: > hi people, check this out > > http://www.vmware.com/support/ws2/doc/whatsnew_ws_linux.html I'm guessing that you are referring to VMWare not supported on 2.4.x kernel. The problem is the vmnet module's use of a definition that was taken

Re: [expert] 8.0 final --brakes MANY applications (Software Installeris first on that list)

2001-04-25 Thread Chubby Vic
I personally prefer Quantum hard drives, although I have not had any maxtors or WD, I know about IBM and Quantums being good linux drives. On Tuesday 24 April 2001 11:11 pm, so spoke Dan Swartzendruber: > On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, Mark Weaver wrote: > > Todd... > > > > What's wrong with Maxtor? Thats

Re: [expert] 8.0 final --brakes MANY applications (my final .02)

2001-04-25 Thread Charles Bennett
Well I did re-install using a seagate ST32155W and a 2094W controller. 8.0 installed without complaint and "just worked" Hummm. Changing drives sure did change the behavior of the install. So to re-cap ; 1: Mark suggested that using WD was a possible source of trouble. 2: Changing to a differen

RE: [expert] 8.0 final --brakes MANY applications (Software Installeris first on that list)

2001-04-25 Thread Jose M. Sanchez
oot". It's hearsay assertions like this that tend to get all sorts of rumors started. -JMS [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mark Weaver Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 7:37 AM Cc: Expert List Subject: RE: [expe

Re: [expert] 8.0 final --brakes MANY applications (Software Installeris first on that list)

2001-04-25 Thread email
> Stay away from Western Digital and Maxtor. Especially > Maxtor (in my opinion). Why do you say that. I've hd nothing but good luck with Maxtor hardrives. I currently have a ten, 2 twenties, and 1 thirty at home that are running just fine. Then at work we use Maxtor drives in our test machin

Re: [expert] 8.0 final --brakes MANY applications (Software Installeris first on that list)

2001-04-25 Thread Dan Swartzendruber
At 11:49 AM 4/25/2001 -0600, Vincent Danen wrote: >On Wed Apr 25, 2001 at 01:21:52PM -0400, Dan Swartzendruber wrote: > > > Vincent, any update on the kernel source build issue I raised over the > weekend? > >Not yet. I'm waiting for someone to get back to me on this issue, but >I have a few oth

Re: [expert] 8.0 final --brakes MANY applications (Software Installeris first on that list)

2001-04-25 Thread Vincent Danen
On Wed Apr 25, 2001 at 01:21:52PM -0400, Dan Swartzendruber wrote: > Vincent, any update on the kernel source build issue I raised over the weekend? Not yet. I'm waiting for someone to get back to me on this issue, but I have a few other updates occupying my time at the moment so it may take a

Re: [expert] 8.0 final --brakes MANY applications (Software Installeris first on that list)

2001-04-25 Thread Vincent Danen
On Tue Apr 24, 2001 at 10:35:38PM -0400, Mark Weaver wrote: > Todd... > > What's wrong with Maxtor? Thats what I'm running now. in fact, that's all > I've ever run with Linux. I've got two of them in my Mandrake 7.2 box here > at home. 13GB and 3.5GB. this things runs for months at a time withou

Re: [expert] 8.0 final --brakes MANY applications (Software Installeris first on that list)

2001-04-25 Thread Todd Flinders
Okay, I firmly disagree that the IBM 75GXP are slower than Maxtors drives. But whatever. Sorry, this is irrelevant to the list. --- Wood Brent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- Todd Flinders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Stay away from Western Digital and Maxtor. > Especially > > Maxtor (in

Re: [expert] 8.0 final --brakes MANY applications (Software Installeris first on that list)

2001-04-25 Thread Dan Swartzendruber
Vincent, any update on the kernel source build issue I raised over the weekend?

RE: [expert] 8.0 final --brakes MANY applications (Software Installeris first on that list)

2001-04-25 Thread Mark Weaver
s chatter, IDE/PCI noise, etc... (as with the VIA chipsets...) > > -JMS > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mark Weaver > Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 10:33 PM > Cc: Expert List > Subject: Re: [expert] 8.0 fi

RE: [expert] 8.0 final --brakes MANY applications (Software Installeris first on that list)

2001-04-25 Thread Jose M. Sanchez
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mark Weaver Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 10:33 PM Cc: Expert List Subject: Re: [expert] 8.0 final --brakes MANY applications (Software Installeris first on that list) Um...I don't know how to say this gently, but WD drives and l

Re: [expert] 8.0 final --brakes MANY applications (Software Installeris first on that list)

2001-04-24 Thread Mark Weaver
Um...I don't know how to say this gently, but WD drives and linux often don't get along very well. For the most part WD drives are "win-drives". what that means is that they were designed in such a way that would allow them to be made at lower costs for an OS that doesn't talk directly to the hard

Re: [expert] 8.0 final --brakes MANY applications (Software Installeris first on that list)

2001-04-24 Thread Dan Swartzendruber
On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, Mark Weaver wrote: > Todd... > > What's wrong with Maxtor? Thats what I'm running now. in fact, that's all > I've ever run with Linux. I've got two of them in my Mandrake 7.2 box here > at home. 13GB and 3.5GB. this things runs for months at a time without any > hiccups. I've

Re: [expert] 8.0 final --brakes MANY applications (Software Installeris first on that list)

2001-04-24 Thread Wood Brent
--- Todd Flinders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Stay away from Western Digital and Maxtor. Especially > Maxtor (in my opinion). --- Todd Flinders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Stay away from Western Digital and Maxtor. Especially > Maxtor (in my opinion). My experience differs... I've had about

Re: [expert] 8.0 final --brakes MANY applications (Software Installeris first on that list)

2001-04-24 Thread Mark Weaver
Todd... What's wrong with Maxtor? Thats what I'm running now. in fact, that's all I've ever run with Linux. I've got two of them in my Mandrake 7.2 box here at home. 13GB and 3.5GB. this things runs for months at a time without any hiccups. I've got another machine that's an older Dell with a Qua

Re: [expert] 8.0 final --brakes MANY applications (Software Installeris first on that list)

2001-04-24 Thread Todd Flinders
Stay away from Western Digital and Maxtor. Especially Maxtor (in my opinion). --- Charles Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Mark Weaver wrote: > > > > Chuck, > > > > Point well taken. ;-) you aren't by any chance > using Western Digital hard > > drives in your machine are you? > > >

Re: [expert] 8.0 final --brakes MANY applications (Software Installeris first on that list)

2001-04-24 Thread Charles Bennett
Mark Weaver wrote: > > Chuck, > > Point well taken. ;-) you aren't by any chance using Western Digital hard > drives in your machine are you? > Ack.. As a matter of fact I am I have two caviar drives, a 307AA (30.7 gig) and 136AA(13.6gig) Is that a problem? I don't remember seeing anything

Re: [expert] 8.0 final --brakes MANY applications

2001-04-24 Thread CB
begin Andrew Judge quotation: > I tried the beta 3 on a test machine that loaded 7, 7.1 and 7.2 perfectly > and couldn't get 8 loaded. It would only load about 60M of programs and if > I manually selected the programs (3G space), it would break at the very end > of install (yes I did MD5 Sum).

Re: [expert] 8.0 final --brakes MANY applications

2001-04-23 Thread Mark Weaver
> Cc: "Expert List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 1:35 PM > Subject: Re: [expert] 8.0 final --brakes MANY applications > > > > tell me...is XFree86-3.3.6 offered at all on this version, or do you have > > to use one of the 4.0.x varieties? > > > > -- > > > > Mark > > * > > >

Re: [expert] 8.0 final --brakes MANY applications (Software Installeris first on that list)

2001-04-23 Thread Mark Weaver
Chuck, Point well taken. ;-) you aren't by any chance using Western Digital hard drives in your machine are you? -- Mark * "what knowledge I have managed to accumlate over the years at times becomes obscured and even hidden amidst the vast emotional onslaught of my children. You never fin

Re: [expert] 8.0 final --brakes MANY applications (Software Installer is first on that list)

2001-04-23 Thread Al Baker
Actually, I had the same libsafe problem in 7.1! --- "Nima S. Panahi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I believe I have a handle on the problem now. I did > a complete fresh and > minimal install, without using anything from the > second CD except for > kernel source. I then went about recompiling >

Re: [expert] 8.0 final --brakes MANY applications (Software Installeris first on that list)

2001-04-23 Thread Nima S. Panahi
I believe I have a handle on the problem now. I did a complete fresh and minimal install, without using anything from the second CD except for kernel source. I then went about recompiling programs and they worked! infact, I did not have to use kgcc as before and the previously compiled versions wo

[expert] 8.0 final --brakes MANY applications

2001-04-23 Thread Pedro Del Medico Piermattei
hi people, check this out http://www.vmware.com/support/ws2/doc/whatsnew_ws_linux.html -- Best Regards, Pedro Del Medico P. Linux user # 144076

Re: [expert] 8.0 final --brakes MANY applications

2001-04-23 Thread Nima S. Panahi
Well, from what I have learned upto this point , you will be just fine as long as you only install exactly what you need, the least amount from CD 2, as the problem packages seem to be coming from there. Especially, libsafe WILL mess your system up. Other than that, it should be fine. Hopefully ma

Re: [expert] 8.0 final --brakes MANY applications

2001-04-23 Thread Neal Lippman
So, from reading all the posts here, it seems clear that I should NOT d/l MDK 8.0...maybe the 8.1 release will work right. So my question is: I am thinking of shifting from KDE 2.1 over to the latest Gnome - although I need to keep both installed because I actually have an app or two that requ

Re: [expert] 8.0 final --brakes MANY applications (Software Installer is first on that list)

2001-04-23 Thread Praedor Tempus
I downloaded and burned the iso images of Mandrake 8.0 about 3-4 days before it was officially announced for release (so I probably got a partial beta). It installed just fine for me and has been working quite well. I have no problems except KDM displays all services as users along with usern

Re: [expert] 8.0 final --brakes MANY applications (Software Installer is first on that list)

2001-04-23 Thread Charles Bennett
< SARCASM > I really love the Software Installer Error Message "Do To Some Errors, Some Packages Were Not Installed" Nothing like getting right to the point, but I am a little overwhelmed with information. I'm filling out a bug report right now, but haven't quite figured out how to reduce the in

Re: [expert] 8.0 final --brakes MANY applications

2001-04-23 Thread David Koenig
Yes, you have the choice between 3.3.6 and 4.0.3. -dave - Original Message - From: "Mark Weaver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Expert List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 1:35 PM Subject: Re: [expert] 8.0 final --brakes MANY application

Re: [expert] 8.0 final --brakes MANY applications

2001-04-23 Thread Mark Weaver
um...this isn't making me feel secure about installing this version of mandrake. were these out-a the box installs or expert custom installations that are being such a problem? -- Mark * "what knowledge I have managed to accumlate over the years at times becomes obscured and even hidden am

Re: [expert] 8.0 final --brakes MANY applications

2001-04-23 Thread Mark Weaver
tell me...is XFree86-3.3.6 offered at all on this version, or do you have to use one of the 4.0.x varieties? -- Mark * "what knowledge I have managed to accumlate over the years at times becomes obscured and even hidden amidst the vast emotional onslaught of my children. You never finish b

Re[2]: [expert] 8.0 final --brakes MANY applications

2001-04-23 Thread Rusty Carruth
s <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I did a clean install and all went well except that many of the apps I I too did a clean install of what I think was beta2 iso on the machine I plan on becoming my new firewall. Everything went extremely smoothly on my IBM PC300GL with a wimpy 64M ram ;-). > sele

RE: [expert] 8.0 final --brakes MANY applications

2001-04-23 Thread Andrew Judge
could have changed in a few days :( Andy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Nima S. Panahi Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2001 5:24 PM To: Charles A Edwards Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [expert] 8.0 final --brakes MANY applications Its drivin

Re: [expert] 8.0 final --brakes MANY applications

2001-04-23 Thread Mogens Jæger
> I'm not very impressed with what people are reporting about their experience > with the new stable release of Mandrake, version 8.0. Does anyone have > anything *good* to say about it? I might end up just sticking with my 7.2 > version, which I've updated with KDE 2.1.1 already. No sense dea

Re: [expert] 8.0 final --brakes MANY applications

2001-04-22 Thread Chubby Vic
I agree, I can't even burn the dang iso image, this sucks, Beavis uhh huh huh. both xcdroast and eroaster said: Warning: creating filesystem that does not conform to ISO-9660. Cdrecord 1.9 (i586-mandrake-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2000 Jörg Schilling TOC Type: 1 = CD-ROM scsidev: '1,0,0' scsib

Re: [expert] 8.0 final --brakes MANY applications

2001-04-22 Thread Will
Upgrading to 8.0 broke all my fullscreen OpenGL apps. All my hardware worked without any trouble, and windowed OpenGL works without a hitch, but going to fullscreen crashes the X-server. I'm running the default XFree 4.0.3 on a voodoo3 AGP. Any ideas? I want to try tuxracer! On Monday 23 Apri

Re: [expert] 8.0 final --brakes MANY applications

2001-04-22 Thread s
I did a clean install and all went well except that many of the apps I selected didn't load during install, like sndconfig- I *think* anything from the ext-iso. But I installed from hdd, so I kinda happy it worked at all. I just downloaded anything I noticed I needed and installed afterward

Re: [expert] 8.0 final --brakes MANY applications

2001-04-22 Thread Eric Krout
On Sunday 22 April 2001 17:23, you wrote: > Its driving me crazy! Everysince upgrading from 8.0 final from 8.0 beta3, > many applications segmet out where before worked. Its seems that almost > all programs that did not come with 8.0 final segment fault. I have tried > recompiling the ones that I

[expert] 8.0 final --brakes MANY applications

2001-04-22 Thread Nima S. Panahi
Its driving me crazy! Everysince upgrading from 8.0 final from 8.0 beta3, many applications segmet out where before worked. Its seems that almost all programs that did not come with 8.0 final segment fault. I have tried recompiling the ones that I could with kgcc, kg++ and the such. However, I sti