Re: [expert] What would cause system to just stop?

2002-03-22 Thread Tom Brinkman
On Thursday 21 March 2002 02:09 pm, David Guntner wrote: Tom Brinkman grabbed a keyboard and wrote: but I betcha cpuburn would'a ;) It may well have. But after what I've read about the program, there's no way in hell I was going to run it without a way to actively monitor my CPU temp

Re: [expert] What would cause system to just stop?

2002-03-22 Thread David Guntner
Tom Brinkman grabbed a keyboard and wrote: On Thursday 21 March 2002 02:09 pm, David Guntner wrote: It may well have. But after what I've read about the program, there's no way in hell I was going to run it without a way to actively monitor my CPU temp while it was running. :-)

Re: [expert] What would cause system to just stop?

2002-03-22 Thread Ashley Moore
after seeing this thread I decided to monitor my PC ... :) the Ali1535 that i have is well supported. 'sensors' give me [root@omni etc]# sensors w83782d-i2c-0-2d Adapter: SMBus ALI1535 adapter at e800 Algorithm: Non-i2c SMBus adapter VCore 1: +1.80 V (min = +1.74 V, max = +1.93 V)

Re: [expert] What would cause system to just stop?

2002-03-21 Thread Tom Brinkman
On Wednesday 20 March 2002 10:53 am, JOHN HEMMER wrote: Anyways, if I leave my computer on constantly, it freezes after 20 hours or so, even running Linux; however, I can fix Linux by running fsck. As a result of all this I turn my computer off each night, so it usually only runs 16 to 18

Re: [expert] What would cause system to just stop?

2002-03-21 Thread David Guntner
Tom Brinkman grabbed a keyboard and wrote: Look at 'dmesg' you should see a line like this, Checking 'hlt' instruction... OK. Yea, I've seen those. When you go into bios, those idle statements aren't being sent to the cpu, and neither is the cpu under much if any load. Plus,

Re: [expert] What would cause system to just stop?

2002-03-20 Thread Tom Brinkman
On Tuesday 19 March 2002 10:36 pm, David Guntner wrote: Unfortunately, krellm doesn't seem to display my CPU temprature, so I'm not sure how I'm going to monitor it. BTW, just so you're aware of it, my Linux machine (ML 8.1) is *never* powered off unless I'm having to get inside the case to

Re: [expert] What would cause system to just stop?

2002-03-20 Thread JOHN HEMMER
On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, James wrote: On Tue, 19 Mar 2002 20:36:36 -0800 (PST) David Guntner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom Brinkman grabbed a keyboard and wrote: On Tuesday 19 March 2002 13:13, David Guntner wrote: I went to AMD's site, and while I could find a PDF document titled

Re: [expert] What would cause system to just stop?

2002-03-20 Thread David Guntner
Tom Brinkman grabbed a keyboard and wrote: Type 'sensors' in a term. You should see somethin like SYS Temp: +28.8°C (limit = +60°C, hysteresis = +50°C) CPU Temp: +44.0°C (limit = +60°C, hysteresis = +50°C) SBr Temp: +23.2°C (limit = +60°C, hysteresis = +50°C) There

Re: [expert] What would cause system to just stop?

2002-03-20 Thread Larry Sword
JOHN HEMMER wrote: On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, James wrote: On Tue, 19 Mar 2002 20:36:36 -0800 (PST) David Guntner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom Brinkman grabbed a keyboard and wrote: On Tuesday 19 March 2002 13:13, David Guntner wrote: I went to AMD's site, and while I

Re: [expert] What would cause system to just stop?

2002-03-20 Thread ai4a
David Guntner wrote: Tom Brinkman grabbed a keyboard and wrote: Type 'sensors' in a term. You should see somethin like SYS Temp: +28.8°C (limit = +60°C, hysteresis = +50°C) CPU Temp: +44.0°C (limit = +60°C, hysteresis = +50°C) SBr Temp: +23.2°C (limit = +60°C,

Re: [expert] What would cause system to just stop?

2002-03-20 Thread Lee Burnside
On Wed, 20 Mar 2002, ai4a wrote: David Guntner wrote: Tom Brinkman grabbed a keyboard and wrote: Type 'sensors' in a term. You should see somethin like SYS Temp: +28.8°C (limit = +60°C, hysteresis = +50°C) CPU Temp: +44.0°C (limit = +60°C, hysteresis = +50°C) SBr

Re: [expert] What would cause system to just stop?

2002-03-20 Thread Brian Parish
I'm sure that Tom will explain his reasoning on the bios temp thing, but as he's probably asleep right now, let me butt in. I suspect that the difference between using sensors and rebooting then looking at the bios is just timing. i.e. Using sensors you can see the temp while the cpu is under

Re: [expert] What would cause system to just stop?

2002-03-20 Thread James
On Wed, 20 Mar 2002 11:53:00 -0500 (EST) JOHN HEMMER [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, James wrote: On Tue, 19 Mar 2002 20:36:36 -0800 (PST) David Guntner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom Brinkman grabbed a keyboard and wrote: On Tuesday 19 March 2002 13:13, David

Re: [expert] What would cause system to just stop?

2002-03-20 Thread David Guntner
James grabbed a keyboard and wrote: Just had a friend walk in so I asked him... He had the same problem and it was because the CPU fan had gotten worn down and wasn't cooling the CPU as well as it used to (plus a lot of the k-6 fans were flaky to start) His suggestion is to (his words

Re: [expert] What would cause system to just stop?

2002-03-20 Thread David Guntner
civileme grabbed a keyboard and wrote: Do you have an external connection and an ssh server? Let's see whether it is a keyboard lockup or something else. Oh, it's the system alright. I've got two computers here, one a Win98SE box, and one my ML 8.1 box. I do have a ssh daemon running on

Re: [expert] What would cause system to just stop?

2002-03-20 Thread David Guntner
Tom Brinkman grabbed a keyboard and wrote: Well, I'd suspect overheating too since the ram checks out. Install lm_sensors and gkrellm if they aren't already, and constantly monitor your cpu temp. Those sound useful. :-) Are they on one of the CDs, or do they have to be downloaded from

Re: [expert] What would cause system to just stop?

2002-03-20 Thread David Guntner
ai4a grabbed a keyboard and wrote: David Guntner wrote: I think whatever this program needs is not available with the motherboard that I'm using. I typed sensors, and then when I ran it a second time after I did a modprobe i2c-proc in response to the first attempt's complaining

Re: [expert] What would cause system to just stop?

2002-03-20 Thread David Guntner
Tom Brinkman grabbed a keyboard and wrote: On Tuesday 19 March 2002 13:13, David Guntner wrote: Those sound useful. :-) Are they on one of the CDs, or do they have to be downloaded from somewhere? Currently, the only way I can check my CPU temp is to reboot and then go into the BIOS - not

Re: [expert] What would cause system to just stop?

2002-03-19 Thread Ric Tibbetts
Just to throw my .02 into this: I have an IBM PC that does something similar. My wife kids use it. After it has been running a while, it just locks up, for no real reason. The keyboard mouse simply stop responding. The only way out is to throw the big red switch. It currently has Win98 on it.

Re: [expert] What would cause system to just stop?

2002-03-19 Thread Brian Parish
Memtest was a good first step. Sounds like it's now time for cpuburn. That is likely to reveal what memtest cannot and also completely divorces you from the OS in diagnosing the problem. Google for cpuburn and you'll hit it first time. Tom Brinkman recommended it the other day, so it comes

Re: [expert] What would cause system to just stop?

2002-03-19 Thread James
David, Just had a friend walk in so I asked him... He had the same problem and it was because the CPU fan had gotten worn down and wasn't cooling the CPU as well as it used to (plus a lot of the k-6 fans were flaky to start) His suggestion is to (his words not mine) open up the case stick

Re: [expert] What would cause system to just stop?

2002-03-19 Thread FemmeFatale
Were you in Edmonton I'd gladly help, I have xtra parts lying around collecting dust atm. Femme David Guntner wrote: I've got 256M of RAM in the machine, to answer your (implied) question. I don't know anyone with memory that I could borrow. :-) As I mentioned in my earlier message, I've

Re: [expert] What would cause system to just stop?

2002-03-19 Thread civileme
David Guntner wrote: J. Grant grabbed a keyboard and wrote: press ctrl+alt+PrintScr then see the items Could you be a little more specific, please? If I'm reading your above sentence correctly, it would seem that you're telling me that when my system is locked up and moving my mouse

Re: [expert] What would cause system to just stop?

2002-03-19 Thread Pierre Fortin
David, Are you *sure* it's completely stopped...? Can you still ping or even ssh into the box? If so, issue telinit 3 and telinit 5... if that brings it back to life, I'd be really interested in knowing if Ctl+Alt+Fn locks it up again... My desktop is in this state now... everything looks

Re: [expert] What would cause system to just stop?

2002-03-19 Thread Larry Sword
David Guntner wrote: Jonathan Dlouhy grabbed a keyboard and wrote: Dave, it definetly sounds like a hardware problem. It sounds like something gets heated up after 24 hours then fails. It could be a one of several things. Don't flame me for this, but, have you tried a different OS to

Re: [expert] What would cause system to just stop?

2002-03-19 Thread David Guntner
civileme grabbed a keyboard and wrote: Do you have an external connection and an ssh server? Let's see whether it is a keyboard lockup or something else. Oh, it's the system alright. I've got two computers here, one a Win98SE box, and one my ML 8.1 box. I do have a ssh daemon running on

Re: [expert] What would cause system to just stop?

2002-03-19 Thread David Guntner
Brian Parish grabbed a keyboard and wrote: Memtest was a good first step. Sounds like it's now time for cpuburn. That is likely to reveal what memtest cannot and also completely divorces you from the OS in diagnosing the problem. Google for cpuburn and you'll hit it first time. Tom

Re: [expert] What would cause system to just stop?

2002-03-19 Thread David Guntner
James grabbed a keyboard and wrote: Just had a friend walk in so I asked him... He had the same problem and it was because the CPU fan had gotten worn down and wasn't cooling the CPU as well as it used to (plus a lot of the k-6 fans were flaky to start) His suggestion is to (his words

Re: [expert] What would cause system to just stop?

2002-03-19 Thread David Guntner
Tom Brinkman grabbed a keyboard and wrote: Well, I'd suspect overheating too since the ram checks out. Install lm_sensors and gkrellm if they aren't already, and constantly monitor your cpu temp. Those sound useful. :-) Are they on one of the CDs, or do they have to be downloaded from

Re: [expert] What would cause system to just stop?

2002-03-19 Thread Tom Brinkman
On Tuesday 19 March 2002 13:13, David Guntner wrote: Tom Brinkman grabbed a keyboard and wrote: Well, I'd suspect overheating too since the ram checks out. Install lm_sensors and gkrellm if they aren't already, and constantly monitor your cpu temp. Those sound useful. :-) Are they

Re: [expert] What would cause system to just stop?

2002-03-19 Thread civileme
David Guntner wrote: James grabbed a keyboard and wrote: Just had a friend walk in so I asked him... He had the same problem and it was because the CPU fan had gotten worn down and wasn't cooling the CPU as well as it used to (plus a lot of the k-6 fans were flaky to start) His suggestion is

Re: [expert] What would cause system to just stop?

2002-03-19 Thread Bill Kenworthy
I havent seen anyone mention NVIDIA drivers yet. Are you using this card? Its a known problem, particularly if you have other openGL stuff (Mesa) around. Also, my old K6 would keel over every start of summer with dirt clogging the cpu/power supply fans that builds up over winter. First warm

Re: [expert] What would cause system to just stop?

2002-03-19 Thread David Guntner
Tom Brinkman grabbed a keyboard and wrote: On Tuesday 19 March 2002 13:13, David Guntner wrote: Those sound useful. :-) Are they on one of the CDs, or do they have to be downloaded from somewhere? Currently, the only way I can check my CPU temp is to reboot and then go into the BIOS - not

Re: [expert] What would cause system to just stop?

2002-03-19 Thread David Guntner
civileme grabbed a keyboard and wrote: David Guntner wrote: I've got all three DIMM (I can't believe I've been saying SIMM all this time - argh!) slots populated at the present time. I'm going to start pulling them one at a time and see if the problem goes away. I've had really good

Re: [expert] What would cause system to just stop?

2002-03-19 Thread James
On Tue, 19 Mar 2002 20:36:36 -0800 (PST) David Guntner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom Brinkman grabbed a keyboard and wrote: On Tuesday 19 March 2002 13:13, David Guntner wrote: Those sound useful. :-) Are they on one of the CDs, or do they have to be downloaded from somewhere?

[expert] What would cause system to just stop?

2002-03-18 Thread David Guntner
This isn't specifically a Mandrake thing, but I'm hoping that someone here can give me some pointers to help out. I'm running ML 8.1 on my Linux box, and for the last several days, my system as just stopped. Locked up pretty completely. I'll hit the reset button to restart the system, and

Re: [expert] What would cause system to just stop?

2002-03-18 Thread J. Grant
press ctrl+alt+PrintScr then see the items David Guntner wrote: This isn't specifically a Mandrake thing, but I'm hoping that someone here can give me some pointers to help out. I'm running ML 8.1 on my Linux box, and for the last several days, my system as just stopped. Locked up

Re: [expert] What would cause system to just stop?

2002-03-18 Thread James
I had the same problem once... Do a df -i and check to see if the inodes on one of your partitions (mine was var specifically logs) has filled up. Next what was it doing when it died and was it the same thing each time check var/log/messages to see. James On Mon, 18 Mar 2002 22:45:20

Re: [expert] What would cause system to just stop?

2002-03-18 Thread David Guntner
J. Grant grabbed a keyboard and wrote: press ctrl+alt+PrintScr then see the items Could you be a little more specific, please? If I'm reading your above sentence correctly, it would seem that you're telling me that when my system is locked up and moving my mouse doesn't get the monitor to

Re: [expert] What would cause system to just stop?

2002-03-18 Thread Jonathan Dlouhy
On Tuesday 19 March 2002 02:32 am, you wrote: David Guntner wrote: This isn't specifically a Mandrake thing, but I'm hoping that someone here can give me some pointers to help out. I'm running ML 8.1 on my Linux box, and for the last several days, my system as just stopped.

Re: [expert] What would cause system to just stop?

2002-03-18 Thread David Guntner
James grabbed a keyboard and wrote: I had the same problem once... Do a df -i and check to see if the inodes on one of your partitions (mine was var specifically logs) has filled up. Next what was it doing when it died and was it the same thing each time check var/log/messages to see.

Re: [expert] What would cause system to just stop?

2002-03-18 Thread David Guntner
Jonathan Dlouhy grabbed a keyboard and wrote: Dave, it definetly sounds like a hardware problem. It sounds like something gets heated up after 24 hours then fails. It could be a one of several things. Don't flame me for this, but, have you tried a different OS to see if it does the same