--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi" raviyogi@ wrote:
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi" wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister wrote:
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> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister wrote:
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> > From Bhojadeva's comment on YS II 15
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> > > As (yathaa) an eyeball (akSi-
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister wrote:
> > Continues like this (in "Sanskrit Documents",
> > Transliterated & transcribed from a manuscript by : Dr. Suryanshu Ray
> >
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister wrote:
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> From Bhojadeva's comment on YS II 15
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> > As (yathaa) an eyeball (akSi-paatram?) experiences (anubhavati)
> > great (mahatiim) pain (piiDaam) by mere (maatr
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister wrote:
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>From Bhojadeva's comment on YS II 15
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> As (yathaa) an eyeball (akSi-paatram?) experiences (anubhavati)
> great (mahatiim) pain (piiDaam) by mere (maatreNa) touch (sparsha)
> of a fiber (tantu) of wool (uurNaa), so (tathaa) a viveki
It's not yer eyeballs. It's old age - the opposite of the new age.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote:
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> > As (yathaa) an eyeball (akSi-paatram?) experiences (anubhavati)
> > great (mahatiim) pai
Ravi Yogi:
> Anyway I think Bhoga Saadhana could
> indeed mean "contemplating on worldly
> pleasures or indulgences"...
>
"Samsara is described as mundane existence,
full of suffering and misery and hence is
considered undesirable and worth renunciation.
The Samsara is without any beginning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister wrote:
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> As (yathaa) an eyeball (akSi-paatram?) experiences (anubhavati)
> great (mahatiim) pain (piiDaam) by mere (maatreNa) touch (sparsha)
> of a fiber (tantu) of wool (uurNaa), so (tathaa) a viveki "udvij-s"
> (see footnote 3 above) in con
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi" raviyogi@ wrote:
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> > Are you translating Bhoga-saadhana as "experiences"?
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> No, just 'bhoga'...
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> Bhoga means -
> > worldly, materialistic; saadhana - here would be in
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister wrote:
> Continues like this (in "Sanskrit Documents",
> Transliterated & transcribed from a manuscript by : Dr. Suryanshu Ray
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> suryansuray
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" wrote:
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> > I am not sure if this applies or not. But I tend to eshew things like
> > beautiful sunsets, or "beautiful" days. Or at least I don't get emotional
> > about th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote:
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> If you have a pitta constitution, you'll understand that it's a pain
to have itches on your chest and arms.
That's not the itch I typically deal with, but thanks for the advice.
(-:
But the meditation practice tones down the itches at a m
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi" wrote:
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> Are you translating Bhoga-saadhana as "experiences"?
No, just 'bhoga'...
Bhoga means -
> worldly, materialistic; saadhana - here would be indulgence. So just
> translating it as experiences doesn't seem to do justice to this wor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" steve.sundur@
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> > I am not sure if this applies or not. But I tend to eshew things
like beautiful sunsets, or "beautiful" days. Or at least I don't get
emotional about
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" wrote:
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> I am not sure if this applies or not. But I tend to eshew things like
> beautiful sunsets, or "beautiful" days. Or at least I don't get emotional
> about them. They are what they are. I neither delight in them, nor ignore
> them
If you have a pitta constitution, you'll understand that it's a pain to have
itches on your chest and arms. But the meditation practice tones down the
itches at a milder or manageable level.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" wrote:
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> I am not sure if this applies or not.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1"
wrote:
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> I am not sure if this applies or not. But I tend to eshew things like
beautiful sunsets, or "beautiful" days. Or at least I don't get
emotional about them. They are what they are. I neither delight in
them, nor ignore them. But my
It occurs to me that in these two paragraphs intended
to diss Patanjali, there are two sentences, one in each
paragraph, that inadvertently exemplify what he meant
by "experience is painful."
Can anybody identify them?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:
> This was 1960. Glo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wgm4u" wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:
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> > Ignoring attempts to derail this thread and make it
> > all about Buddhism, I'm going to bring it back to its
> > original subject, Patanjali, and a quote of his from
curtisdeltablues:
> You may be overstating that since Samkhya
> came a lot later than many of the
> principles in Hinduism...
>
Samkhya came long before 'Hinduism'; before
the historical Buddha (563BCE), and before
Buddhism. That's why historians think the
Buddha may have been influenced by Sam
There's a deep message there.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex" wrote:
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> You seem bound to post off-topic photos, so I guess
> to that extend you are not free. Or, you feel free
> to take up internet band-space for no good reason.
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> Yifu:
> > fish market, 1935
> > http:
You seem bound to post off-topic photos, so I guess
to that extend you are not free. Or, you feel free
to take up internet band-space for no good reason.
Yifu:
> fish market, 1935
> http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/4/32470.jpg
> > > I just think he was full of it and that
> > > his prem
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex" wrote:
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> curtisdeltablues:
> > I just think he was full of it and that
> > his premises about reality are bogus...
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> But, for some reason you practiced yoga for
> fourteen years and majored in philosophy at
> MUM? It just doesn't ma
fish market, 1935
http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/4/32470.jpg
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex" wrote:
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> curtisdeltablues:
> > I just think he was full of it and that
> > his premises about reality are bogus...
> >
> But, for some reason you practiced yoga for
> f
curtisdeltablues:
> I just think he was full of it and that
> his premises about reality are bogus...
>
But, for some reason you practiced yoga for
fourteen years and majored in philosophy at
MUM? It just doesn't make any sense!
Samkhya is the philosophical foundation of
all Indian culture
turquoiseb:
> > Ignoring attempts to derail this thread and make it
> > all about Buddhism, I'm going to bring it back to its
> > original subject, Patanjali...
> >
Samadhi, dukkha, suffering, nirodha (cessation) are crucial
terms in Buddhist vocabulary. The doctrine of suffering is
the core o
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:
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> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
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> > > O what a bunch of evil sophistry.
> > >
> > > This thread reads as careful veiled spiritual hate.
> > > The
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
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> O what a bunch of evil sophistry.
>
> This thread reads as careful veiled spiritual hate.
> The beating of poor old Patanjali by mob.
>
> Nice writing but it still smells like the sophistry
> of limited epistemology. However, if you just h
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:
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> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
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> > > O what a bunch of evil sophistry.
> > >
> > > This thread reads as careful veiled spiritual hate.
> > > The bea
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:
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> Hindu nihilism. Some of us do not desire to be free
> from rebirth. Some of the enlightened do not believe
> that being enlightened means that there is no rebirth.
> And most important, if the enlightened are so affronted
> by an IDEA
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
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> > O what a bunch of evil sophistry.
> >
> > This thread reads as careful veiled spiritual hate.
> > The beating of poor old Patanjali by mob.
>
> One guy, having fun with an im
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wgm4u" wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:
> >
> > Ignoring attempts to derail this thread and make it
> > all about Buddhism, I'm going to bring it back to its
> > original subject, Patanjali, and a quote of his from
> > the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:
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> Ignoring attempts to derail this thread and make it
> all about Buddhism, I'm going to bring it back to its
> original subject, Patanjali, and a quote of his from
> the Yoga Sutras.
>
> > "However, the wise (though their own mind is t
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
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> O what a bunch of evil sophistry.
>
> This thread reads as careful veiled spiritual hate.
> The beating of poor old Patanjali by mob.
One guy, having fun with an imaginary conversation
with a possibly imaginary guy, is a *mob*? And you
dare
O what a bunch of evil sophistry.
This thread reads as careful veiled spiritual hate.
The beating of poor old Patanjali by mob.
Nice writing but it still smells like the sophistry
of limited epistemology. However, if you just had more
experience then you'd see.
Nice writing though, it's a beauti
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:
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> Ignoring attempts to derail this thread and make it
> all about Buddhism,
If experience of reality *isn't* painful to him, why
does Barry have to start his rant against Patanjali
with a lie? Compulsive denial and distortion of reality
a
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