On-going, back to the early 1990's so many have been tossed out of the
Transcendental Meditation movement community yet continued their
spiritual pursuit in practice. That is very much a story of the larger
TM community and Fairfield now. Thousands stranded out and
Secretaries can be Saraswati Advaitins, Vaj.
Vaj wrote:
Don't be silly Willy, the Marshy was not a member
of the Saraswati order, he was not a Brahmin.
Nobody said that the Marshy was a member of the
Saraswati Order, Vaj, but anyone can be a
devotee of Sri Saraswati and be an Advaitin.
Vaj wrote:
Vedantins don't go to heaven.
All realized Siddhas do to Siddhaloka.
Thanks.
You are welcome.
On Sep 27, 2009, at 8:49 AM, WillyTex wrote:Vaj wrote: Vedantins don't go to heaven.All realized Siddhas do to Siddhaloka. Thanks.You are welcome.Siddha-loka is not svarga, heaven. People from the siddha path might decide to go to siddha-loka, but not Vedantins. You sound really confused.Mahesh
Vaj wrote:
People from the siddha path might
decide to go to siddha-loka, but not
Vedantins.
All the Saraswati Advaitins are Siddhas
and they worship the Tripurasundari.
They are Tantric Siddhas. They go to
Siddhaloka, not because they are
Vedantins, but because they follow the
Siddha
On Sep 27, 2009, at 10:00 AM, WillyTex wrote:
Vaj wrote:
People from the siddha path might
decide to go to siddha-loka, but not
Vedantins.
All the Saraswati Advaitins are Siddhas
and they worship the Tripurasundari.
They are Tantric Siddhas. They go to
Siddhaloka, not because they are
On Sep 27, 2009, at 9:49 AM, Vaj wrote:
On Sep 27, 2009, at 10:00 AM, WillyTex wrote:
Vaj wrote:
People from the siddha path might
decide to go to siddha-loka, but not
Vedantins.
All the Saraswati Advaitins are Siddhas
and they worship the Tripurasundari.
They are Tantric Siddhas. They go
All the Saraswati Advaitins are Siddhas
and they worship the Tripurasundari.
They are Tantric Siddhas. They go to
Siddhaloka, not because they are
Vedantins, but because they follow the
Siddha Tradition of the Sri Vidya.
Vaj wrote:
Marshy wasn't a Saraswati Advaitin Willy,
he was
Marshy wasn't a Saraswati Advaitin...
Sal Sunshine wrote:
Why do I think of s'mores every time I
see MMY's name written like this? Is it
just me?
Maybe it's because you don't read Sanskrit
and don't know how to use ITRANS for your
transliterations. Who knows, maybe it's
because you're
On Sep 27, 2009, at 11:27 AM, WillyTex wrote:
All the Saraswati Advaitins are Siddhas
and they worship the Tripurasundari.
They are Tantric Siddhas. They go to
Siddhaloka, not because they are
Vedantins, but because they follow the
Siddha Tradition of the Sri Vidya.
Vaj wrote:
On Sep 27, 2009, at 11:12 AM, Sal Sunshine wrote:
Marshy wasn't a Saraswati Advaitin Willy, he was a secretary to one!
Why do I think of s'mores every time I
see MMY's name written like this? Is it
just me?
I keep getting a cute swamp.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:
On Sep 27, 2009, at 11:12 AM, Sal Sunshine wrote:
Marshy wasn't a Saraswati Advaitin Willy, he was a secretary to
one!
Why do I think of s'mores every time I
see MMY's name written like this? Is it
just me?
I keep
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:
On Sep 25, 2009, at 11:42 PM, yifuxero wrote:
--- What he meant, Vaj is 1. Once the person has attained
Unity (or, if you will, realized one's Prior, innate,
transcendental Self); there's no more evolution in that
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifuxero@ wrote:
Now, saying MMY didn't attain Unity is what you're
saying?...then you should provide the evidence.
Provide the evidence that he did. We'll wait.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifux...@... wrote:
Now, saying MMY didn't attain Unity is what you're
saying?...then you should provide the evidence.
Provide the evidence that he did. We'll wait.
And just think...you have the easier task,
proving a positive. :-)
On Sep 25, 2009, at 11:42 PM, yifuxero wrote:
--- What he meant, Vaj is 1. Once the person has attained Unity (or,
if you will, realized one's Prior, innate, transcendental Self);
there's no more evolution in that category.
Now, saying MMY didn't attain Unity is what you're saying?...then
--- What he meant, Vaj is 1. Once the person has attained Unity (or, if you
will, realized one's Prior, innate, transcendental Self); there's no more
evolution in that category.
Now, saying MMY didn't attain Unity is what you're saying?...then you should
provide the evidence. You're far
People will do what they are supposed to do.
steve sundur wrote:
Huh? (must be the water in FF)
Huh? In the water that Marshy was a Neo-Advaitin?
That doesn't even make any sense. Why would anyone
need a 'meditation technique' that had already
realized the non-dual One?
,helped a person learn to meditate just recently. Was spiritual opening for
the learner and was an awakening they weren't getting by not meditating.
Very special opportunity to witness happen again as the person came to
sitting with, no-mantra, no thought, a Self-realization. A from
On Sep 25, 2009, at 4:07 PM, dhamiltony2k5 wrote:
Yes, you can have good experiences the first day you start, but we
all know what happens. Whatever level of the transcendent you get
ensconced in and think you're enlightened in, there's always another
level of the transcendent to bite you
On Sep 25, 2009, at 6:59 PM, Vaj wrote:
On Sep 25, 2009, at 4:07 PM, dhamiltony2k5 wrote:
Yes, you can have good experiences the first day you start, but we
all know what happens. Whatever level of the transcendent you get
ensconced in and think you're enlightened in, there's always
I know people who had significant spiritual awakenings after they stopped
meditating. Maybe that's what some people need to do.
,helped a person learn to meditate just recently. Was spiritual opening for
the learner and was an awakening they weren't getting by not meditating. Very
special
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of dhamiltony2k5
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 5:22 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mckenna Advaita and Transcendental FF
I know people who had significant spiritual
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote:
Please note that I respond to this as neither
a Neo-Advaitan, a person in despair, nor a
person particularly bestowed of (or seeking)
Transcendental Grace.
Neo-Advaitin despair, spiritual practice and Transcendental
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote:
People will do what they are supposed to do.
Huh? (must be the water in FF)
Doug, aren't we all in thrall to collective
consciousness? I don't see how a few thousand
meditations, more or less, will make much
difference. I expect the disaffected non-
meditators will get enlightened along with
everybody else when the collective tipping
point becomes
---Be that word our sign of parting, bird or fiend!' I shrieked upstarting -
`Get thee back into the tempest and the Night's Plutonian shore!
Leave no black plume as a token of that lie thy soul hath spoken!
Leave my loneliness unbroken! - quit the bust above my door!
Take thy beak from out my
Neo-Advaitin despair,spiritual practice and Transcendental Grace.
From e-mail on the side:
paste
I have met a lot of people in the community who have given up on the whole
notion of self-realization, they don't think it's possible, and that, to me, is
the 'despair rakshasa' showing up and
Please note that I respond to this as neither
a Neo-Advaitan, a person in despair, nor a
person particularly bestowed of (or seeking)
Transcendental Grace.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony...@... wrote:
Neo-Advaitin despair, spiritual practice and Transcendental
TurquoiseB wrote:
I don't live in Fairfield, and have had limited
exposure to Neo-Advaitan teaching (attending one
talk by Gangaji years ago). So I cannot speak to the
things this person perceives in Fairfield.
But I can speak to that one talk I attended, and my
impressions of it. Because
On Sep 22, 2009, at 9:17 PM, yifuxero wrote:
---Right, Vaj, Pure Consciousness in it's several variations,
beginning with TC. You may have a different definition, probably by
PC you mean some temporary experience of Unity. I'm going by what
MMY has given, corroborated by countless people.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:
On Sep 22, 2009, at 6:02 PM, yifuxero wrote:
---Typical nonsensical rubbish by Vaj. TM is a Pure Consciousness
facilitator by virtue of the Shakti power in the mantra. Benson's
technique and related book-learned
yifuxero wrote:
I have no sympathy for the Neo-Advaitins.
What, exactly, do you think a 'Neo-Avaitan' is?
Turq seemed to be confused about this. Was Ramana
a 'Neo-Adwaitan'? I thought he taught traditional
Advaita. Some people get confused between Advaita
and the 'Direct Path' of Ramana.
I'd
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony...@... wrote:
Neo-Advaitin despair,spiritual practice and Transcendental Grace.
From e-mail on the side:
paste
I have met a lot of people in the community who have given up on the whole
notion of self-realization, they don't
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:
On Sep 22, 2009, at 9:17 PM, yifuxero wrote:
snip
To conclude, even an easy occurrence of TC is
something Benson and the other techniques don't
even talk about since you and they are hung up
on quibbling about proof and
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote:
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of jpgillam
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 4:16 PM
I know people who had significant spiritual awakenings after they stopped
meditating.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
On Sep 22, 2009, at 9:17 PM, yifuxero wrote:
snip
To conclude, even an easy occurrence of TC is
something Benson and the other techniques don't
even
On Sep 23, 2009, at 10:36 AM, BillyG wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:
On Sep 22, 2009, at 6:02 PM, yifuxero wrote:
---Typical nonsensical rubbish by Vaj. TM is a Pure Consciousness
facilitator by virtue of the Shakti power in the mantra. Benson's
On Sep 23, 2009, at 11:36 AM, BillyG wrote:
The best physiological 'marker' TM could have for turiya is the
breathless state, which is a necessary correlate of pure
consciousness. I don't think they have recorded any TM'er in the
breathless state I know of, (at least for any length of
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
On Sep 22, 2009, at 6:02 PM, yifuxero wrote:
---Typical nonsensical rubbish by Vaj. TM is a Pure
consciousness facilitator by virtue of the Shakti
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony...@... wrote:
Neo-Advaitin despair,spiritual practice and Transcendental Grace.
From e-mail on the side:
paste
I have met a lot of people in the community who have given up on the whole
notion of self-realization, they don't
I have no sympathy for the Neo-Advaitins.
Yeah, is a kind of pernicious spiritual anemia. These neo-advaitins are the
worst of non-meditators. Talk about lost in the mind mistake of the intellect.
These advaitin kind of people are dangerous poison, malicious in effect as
they connive and
---The solution for individuals is to merge their technical practices with
religious devotion (Deity worship and/or Guru Bhakti...such as Kali worship or
devotion to one of the Divine Mother Gurus). Nothing wrong with Buddhism.
I'm a fan of the Green Tara and Chenrezig.
I have no sympathy for
Doug, aren't we all in thrall to collective
consciousness? I don't see how a few thousand
meditations, more or less, will make much
difference. I expect the disaffected non-
meditators will get enlightened along with
everybody else when the collective tipping
point becomes irresistible.
---
Doug wrote:
Is pitiable when you see it.
I recently heard Herbert Benson speak and basically
what you're describing is a 'relaxation response'. If
you want a relaxation response there are 8 major
meditation forms that produce this effect, most of them
for a minimal price, without a lot of
---Typical nonsensical rubbish by Vaj. TM is a Pure Consciousness facilitator
by virtue of the Shakti power in the mantra. Benson's technique and related
book-learned mantras have minimal Shakti.
In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote:
Doug wrote:
Is pitiable when
On Sep 22, 2009, at 6:02 PM, yifuxero wrote:
---Typical nonsensical rubbish by Vaj. TM is a Pure Consciousness
facilitator by virtue of the Shakti power in the mantra. Benson's
technique and related book-learned mantras have minimal Shakti.
Actually it's science, it's not opinion. There
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:
On Sep 22, 2009, at 6:02 PM, yifuxero wrote:
---Typical nonsensical rubbish by Vaj. TM is a Pure
consciousness facilitator by virtue of the Shakti
power in the mantra. Benson's technique and related
book-learned mantras
---Right, Vaj, Pure Consciousness in it's several variations, beginning with
TC. You may have a different definition, probably by PC you mean some temporary
experience of Unity. I'm going by what MMY has given, corroborated by
countless people. But I don't have to redefine it here;
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of jpgillam
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 4:16 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mckenna Advaita and Transcendental FF
Doug, aren't we all in thrall to collective
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