--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex" wrote:
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> Zoran Krneta wrote:
> > Please stick to the subject Willy!
> >
> There are no bija mantras mentioned in the Rig
> Veda or in any of the major Upanishads, Zoran.
> Bija mantras are enumerated in the Tantras.
>
> We already know
Zoran Krneta wrote:
> Please stick to the subject Willy!
>
There are no bija mantras mentioned in the Rig
Veda or in any of the major Upanishads, Zoran.
Bija mantras are enumerated in the Tantras.
We already know that the bija mantras are the
'pleasing names of God' from Billy's post and
from
The principles of the nick-names and the bija
mantras are described in the Tantras, Zoran, not
in the Upanishads.
So you did not read Upanishads carefully Willy. You don't know where in the
Upanishads is the part of the text which brings out principle that Gods are
pleased to be called indirectly.
Zoran Krneta wrote:
> ...I referred your question to the fact that in
> Upanishads the principle about nick names is
> described.
>
The principles of the nick-names and the bija
mantras are described in the Tantras, Zoran, not
in the Upanishads. A bija mantra is a nick-name
of the devata.
T
On Dec 15, 2009, at 2:47 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
> ...in fact I would operate under the assumption, esp. in my
> post TM Org days where the obsession was "are you witnessing
> yet?"--to the point of hyper-vigilance. And the people who
> wish themselves into some dissociative "witnessing" state".
I did not mentioned bijas... I referred your question to the fact that in
Upanishads the principle about nick names is described.
So stick to the subject Willy!
2009/12/14 WillyTex
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> > > But, how did the Gods get the 'nick-names'?
> > >
> Zoran Krneta wrote:
> > So you did not read Upani
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
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> On Dec 14, 2009, at 3:05 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:
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> > > If mantras are not linked to a recent higher or different
> > > desirable state of consciousness, IMO, why bother?
> >
> > Why not?
>
> Time is limited--and therefore precious. Now if I
> > Maybe so, but is there any evidence that 'Shiva' or
> > 'Shakti' were real historical people?
> >
BillyG wrote:
> Shiva is formless consciousness, Shakti is his dynamic
> energy (Lika/play).
>
Maybe so, Billy, but if you look closely at the Yab-Yum
icon, you'll notice that the male is the
> > There are no pre-Buddhist Kalachakras in India and no
> > Yab-Yum iconography in Hindu tantra.
> >
Vaj wrote:
> ...there was and still is a Hindu kalachakra AND there
> were yab-yum figures in Hindu tantra.
>
The Tantric Vajarayana, the source of the iconography
Yab-Yum died out in India
On Dec 14, 2009, at 3:34 PM, WillyTex wrote:
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> > > The Kalachakra Tantra (Wheel of Time) is a Buddhist
> > > work, not Hindu. Kalachakri is a yidam of Kalachakra
> > > in Vajrayana Buddhism - there is no 'Yab-Yum' in
> > > Hindu iconography.
> > >
> Vaj wrote:
> > There's both a pre-Buddhis
On Dec 14, 2009, at 3:05 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
> >
> > On Dec 14, 2009, at 2:16 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:
> > >
> > > Just as a philosophical question, Vaj, what if
> > > what Willytex suggests *were* true, and somebody
> > > just made the mantras u
> > The Kalachakra Tantra (Wheel of Time) is a Buddhist
> > work, not Hindu. Kalachakri is a yidam of Kalachakra
> > in Vajrayana Buddhism - there is no 'Yab-Yum' in
> > Hindu iconography.
> >
Vaj wrote:
> There's both a pre-Buddhist (Hindu) Kalachakra and a
> Buddhist one...
>
There are no pre-
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex" wrote:
> Maybe so, but is there any evidence that 'Shiva' or
> 'Shakti' were real historical people?
As you know Willy, Shiva and Shakti were not people and never were (as we
understand them today). Shiva is merely symbolic represented as the A
> > But, how did the Gods get the 'nick-names'?
> >
Zoran Krneta wrote:
> So you did not read Upanishads!
>
Are there any bija mantras mentioned in any of
the major Upanishads? I think not, Zoran. The
bija mantras are mentioned in the Tantras, which
came much later during the Gupta Age in Indi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
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> On Dec 14, 2009, at 2:16 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:
> >
> > Just as a philosophical question, Vaj, what if
> > what Willytex suggests *were* true, and somebody
> > just made the mantras up, and then made up stories
> > to make it seem that they hadn'
TurquoiseB wrote:
> Would it *matter* to you if the mantras had
> really been merely "thought up" by mere humans,
> with no divine or spiritual intervention?
>
> It wouldn't matter a damn to me.
>
Well, it would matter to some people if they wanted
to know what tradition their bija mantras c
On Dec 14, 2009, at 2:44 PM, WillyTex wrote:
> > I think it would be safe to say that the mantras
> > were made up by MahaPrakriti...
> >
Vaj wrote:
> The knowledge of the mechanics of the "arising of
> letters" (swarodaya) was given by Shiva to Shakti
> in the Hindu kalachakra. The identical
Zoran Krneta wrote:
> But, how did the
> Gods get the 'nick-names'? Did someone make them up
> or what? Maybe the Gods don't like being addressed by
> their real names, so they told the Rishis to call
> them by other, shorter names. But, who was the first
> person to call a God by his nick-name?
>
On Dec 14, 2009, at 2:16 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:
Just as a philosophical question, Vaj, what if
what Willytex suggests *were* true, and somebody
just made the mantras up, and then made up stories
to make it seem that they hadn't? What if their
"cognition" were no more special than any of us
getti
> > I think it would be safe to say that the mantras
> > were made up by MahaPrakriti...
> >
Vaj wrote:
> The knowledge of the mechanics of the "arising of
> letters" (swarodaya) was given by Shiva to Shakti
> in the Hindu kalachakra. The identical wisdom is
> also contained in the Buddhist
> > > They're seed syllables silly: seeds of their
> > > dimensions. They were realized by seers in
> > > their own consciousness. Didn't you ever hear
> > > of the Law of Seed and Tree?
> > >
> > Maybe so, but wouldn't it just be more honest
> > and simple to admit that the bija mantras were
> >
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
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> On Dec 14, 2009, at 1:11 PM, BillyG wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
> > >
> > > On Dec 14, 2009, at 12:37 PM, WillyTex wrote:
> > >
> > > > > > But, how did the Gods get the 'nick-names'?
> > > >
> > > > Vaj wro
But, how did the
Gods get the 'nick-names'? Did someone make them up
or what? Maybe the Gods don't like being addressed by
their real names, so they told the Rishis to call
them by other, shorter names. But, who was the first
person to call a God by his nick-name?
So you did not read Upanishads!
On Dec 14, 2009, at 1:11 PM, BillyG wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
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> On Dec 14, 2009, at 12:37 PM, WillyTex wrote:
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> > > > But, how did the Gods get the 'nick-names'?
> > > >
> > Vaj wrote:
> > > They're seed syllables silly: seeds of their
> > > dimensions. Th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
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> On Dec 14, 2009, at 12:37 PM, WillyTex wrote:
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> > > > But, how did the Gods get the 'nick-names'?
> > > >
> > Vaj wrote:
> > > They're seed syllables silly: seeds of their
> > > dimensions. They were realized by seers in
> > > their own
On Dec 14, 2009, at 12:37 PM, WillyTex wrote:
> > But, how did the Gods get the 'nick-names'?
> >
Vaj wrote:
> They're seed syllables silly: seeds of their
> dimensions. They were realized by seers in
> their own consciousness. Didn't you ever hear
> of the Law of Seed and Tree?
>
Maybe so, but
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex" wrote:
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>
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> > > Do you have any evidence you'd like to share
> > > that would prove that the Marshy didn't just
> > > make up the TM mantras?
> > >
> BillyG wrote:
> > As Charlie used to say, "The mantras are the most
> > pleasing names o
> > But, how did the Gods get the 'nick-names'?
> >
Vaj wrote:
> They're seed syllables silly: seeds of their
> dimensions. They were realized by seers in
> their own consciousness. Didn't you ever hear
> of the Law of Seed and Tree?
>
Maybe so, but wouldn't it just be more honest
and simple to
On Dec 14, 2009, at 12:00 PM, WillyTex wrote:
> > Do you have any evidence you'd like to share
> > that would prove that the Marshy didn't just
> > make up the TM mantras?
> >
BillyG wrote:
> As Charlie used to say, "The mantras are the most
> pleasing names of God", I agree! What good would
> > Do you have any evidence you'd like to share
> > that would prove that the Marshy didn't just
> > make up the TM mantras?
> >
BillyG wrote:
> As Charlie used to say, "The mantras are the most
> pleasing names of God", I agree! What good would
> they be if they had no resonance with high
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex" wrote:
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>
>
> yifuxero wrote:
> > I feel that at this time, some important
> > information on the TM mantras should be
> > revealed online...
> >
> How are you going to do that if you know next
> to nothing about the TM mantras? Apparently
yifuxero wrote:
> I feel that at this time, some important
> information on the TM mantras should be
> revealed online...
>
How are you going to do that if you know next
to nothing about the TM mantras? Apparently
you don't even know where the TM mantras came
from, or what they mean. Do you
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