Dear Turq,
About this wrestling. At the spiritual circus it seems some do come and
watch who are blind and do in fact see. And some come seeing that remain
blind to what they see. John Newton in history is famously one who was
blind in living his life who then came to see. Then later in
Turq, this is really quite earnest and well expressed.
And Christ rose from the grave. Miracles, healings. Was seen and it was denied.
Turq, this is particularly special as you write. Poignant. Oh friend, what
sophistry. Meditation more for you, Yoda might answer. Someone else might
just
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As I understand it from a muslim friend, Hindus take their
mythical writings literally. I guess the question is how
much we need to buy into the idea that there was once human
beings who could do things that seem to defy reason. In
today's world the real miracle would be for
Hi All:
New to this group, and just selected a topic to commence reading. I chose this
one, and it's interesting.
There is no logical reason (or logic based reason) to consider the Bible or
the gospels or the vedic literature any different from myths and fairytales
-- or for that matter from
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand premanandp...@... wrote:
Now I'm not at all sure that 'transcending' remained
Maharishi's message, seems more and more he was trying
to get the world to believe everything and anything
contained in Indian Sacred Texts.
His message was that
Vaj wrote:
He replied that the only thing he heard was:
Apparently MMY visited the Shankaryacharya
some time ago. And after MMY had left, the
Shankaracharya commented to the Swami that
MMY's mind was a complete mess, a supermarket,
not quiet at all.
According to Paul G. van Oyen,
Was it the culture at the time that brought
it about? Or, was it the Spanish language
itself that caused it? Maybe the Castillian
pronunciation has a special sound quality...
Maybe, but as you noted, these experiences were
the result of 'religious prayer'. There are no
Christian
But to claim that something *you haven't even exper-
ienced* is Truth because you BELIEVE it is, or
because you read it in a book you consider Truth?
Doug wrote:
Yes, discernment...
Yes, discrimination between the real and the unreal -
between true knowledge, gnosis, jnana, and
Ray wrote:
There is no logical reason (or logic based reason)
to consider the Bible or the gospels or the vedic
literature any different from myths and fairytales
-- or for that matter from any other form of
fiction -- in terms of their credence or accuracy...
That's because the origin
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote:
To All:
Siddhis are not restricted to the vedic literature. We find
similar feats in the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand premanandpaul@ wrote:
As I understand it from a muslim friend, Hindus take their
mythical writings
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@ wrote:
That would be something.
TurquoiseB wrote:
It gets even weirder when people claim that things
they have NEVER experienced subjectively but have
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote:
The notion that there exists a 'transcendental state'
beyond the senses is a categorical imperative described
by Immanuel Kant. The Ultimate Reality can never be known
through pure reason alone.
Just HAVE to get my red pen
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_...@... wrote:
St. Thomas Aquinas was able to levitate as well, although this is not
generally known to people within or without the Christian church.
I was watching an interesting program about the art
of Spain recently (there was a wonderful
Actually, most hermits, sadhus and swamis in India are perceived as beggars. In
1967 Maharishi Mahesh Yogi put it like this:-
So there is nothing definite in the life of a monk, particularly in India.
Here in the west the monks are more organized and the church is there and they
take care of
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand premanandp...@... wrote:
Actually, most hermits, sadhus and swamis in India are perceived as beggars.
In 1967 Maharishi Mahesh Yogi put it like this:-
So there is nothing definite in the life of a monk, particularly in India.
Here in the
MMY: I preach a simple system of transcendental meditation which gives the
people the insight into life and they begin to enjoy all peace and happiness,
and because this has been the message of all the saints in the past, they call
me saint.
- transcript of recording of Maharishi Aug/Sept 1967
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand premanandp...@... wrote:
MMY: I preach a simple system of transcendental meditation which gives the
people the insight into life and they begin to enjoy all peace and happiness,
and because this has been the message of all the saints in the
BillyG, I gave up reseaching Maharishi a long, long time ago. But this quote I
remembered, having included it in my biography of him. I wasn't actually
disputing your comments, and am not now.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG wg...@... wrote:
--- In
On Jan 8, 2010, at 11:26 AM, BillyG wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand premanandp...@... wrote:
MMY: I preach a simple system of transcendental meditation which gives the
people the insight into life and they begin to enjoy all peace and
happiness, and because
Let's be honest, virtually everything Maharishi convinced many of his audience
that he was a model of 'enlightenment'. He didn't need to come out and say it,
nor did people notice when he didn't.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:
On Jan 8, 2010, at 11:26
Let's be honest, Maharishi apparent familiarity with higher states of
consciousness convinced most of his audience he was a model of 'enlightenment'.
He didn't need to come out and say it,
nor did people notice when he didn't.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:
On Jan 8, 2010, at 12:44 PM, Premanand wrote:
Let's be honest, virtually everything Maharishi convinced many of his
audience that he was a model of 'enlightenment'. He didn't need to come out
and say it, nor did people notice when he didn't.
Around 1997, 121 Pundits came to Stroudsburg, PA
The 'Fairey Tales' of Western cultures have nothing to
do with Yoga or Transcendental Knowledge, found in the
Upanishads and in the Vedanta.
Vaj wrote:
Actually there are many parallels in Western (and really
world) Fairy tales, with Vedic deva- and angiris-lore.
The instances
PaliGap wrote:
The categorical imperative was the central
plank of Kant's moral philosophy, not
epistemology...
Yes, I stand corrected, it was Kant's 'theory of
knowledge', the thing-in-itself, that I meant to
mention, according to Kant in his 'Critique of
Pure Reason'. Kant argued that
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote:
St. Thomas Aquinas was able to levitate as well, although this is not
generally known to people within or without the Christian church.
I was watching
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote:
PaliGap wrote:
The categorical imperative was the central
plank of Kant's moral philosophy, not
epistemology...
Yes, I stand corrected, it was Kant's 'theory of
knowledge', the thing-in-itself, that I meant to
But to claim that something *you haven't even exper-
ienced* is Truth because you BELIEVE it is, or
because you read it in a book you consider Truth?
That's the absolute *absence* of humility.
Yes, discernment.
By giving up even these powers comes the destruction of the very seed
...we read that St. Peter was able to
walk on water as he approached Jesus, but started to
sink when he doubted his faith.
No, no ,no. We know from modern research on the brain
why folks who are perfectly comfortable walking on
water one day suddenly start to sink the next. And
it's not
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_...@... wrote:
To All:
Siddhis are not restricted to the vedic literature. We find
similar feats in the gospels and stories of Christian saints.
The conclusion is inescapable. Because stories of
siddhis exist in these books, siddhis must
As I understand it from a muslim friend, Hindus take their mythical writings
literally. I guess the question is how much we need to buy into the idea that
there was once human beings who could do things that seem to defy reason. In
today's world the real miracle would be for people to stop
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand premanandp...@... wrote:
As I understand it from a muslim friend, Hindus take their
mythical writings literally. I guess the question is how
much we need to buy into the idea that there was once human
beings who could do things that seem to
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand premanandp...@... wrote:
As I understand it from a muslim friend, Hindus take their
mythical writings literally.
I'm not sure I'd consult a Muslim for an objective view of
Hinduism (any more than I'd consult a Hindu for an objective
view of
On Jan 7, 2010, at 7:35 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
The conclusion is inescapable. Because stories of
siddhis exist in these books, siddhis must exist.
Similarly, stories of not only siddhis but fantastic
creatures like dragons, trolls, etc. exist in other
books.
Of course they exist, and not
John Jr wrote:
Siddhis are not restricted to the vedic literature.
The mastery of 'siddhis' is attained through the practice
of 'yoga', as described in the 'Yoga Sutras' of Patanjali
(circa 200 BC). According to Mircea Eliade, the practice
of yogic enstasis is unique to South Asia.
The
TurquoiseB wrote:
A reason other than Because I believe
they are, that is...
It has already been established that you
believe in the individual 'soul-monad', so
you've been shown to get a lot of your
information from verbal testimony.
There's nothing you can point to in the
physical world
Prior to initiation into TM I had next to no exposure to Maharishi's thinking,
but after being taught TM concluded that Maharishi's primary message was that
by periodically transcending thought one would gain greater awareness,
blissfulness and satisfaction. The idea of meditating, letting go
That would be something.
TurquoiseB wrote:
It gets even weirder when people claim that things
they have NEVER experienced subjectively but have
only heard of are Truth. These things aren't even
subjective experience; they are pure BELIEF...
So, it has been established that you believe
Premanand wrote:
As Turquoise asks, then why not our own Fairy Tales
too? They have a lot in common with the Purananas.
Oh, but then they are not Indian or Vedic, huh!
The 'Fairey Tales' of Western cultures have nothing to
do with Yoga or Transcendental Knowledge, found in the
Upanishads
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost...@... wrote:
...we read that St. Peter was able to
walk on water as he approached Jesus, but started to
sink when he doubted his faith.
No, no ,no. We know from modern research on the brain
why folks who are perfectly
The Indian word puraaNa is an adjective meaning old, ancient; and a noun
meaning; tale of by-gone ages, Hindu mythology.
Superpowers abound in the old tales of many nations. So why take the Indian
Puranas any more seriously than say Icelandic or German tales? The existence of
Patanjali's
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote:
To All:
Siddhis are not restricted to the vedic literature. We find
similar feats in the gospels and stories of Christian saints.
The conclusion is
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand premanandp...@... wrote:
As I understand it from a muslim friend, Hindus take their mythical writings
literally. I guess the question is how much we need to buy into the idea that
there was once human beings who could do things that seem to
Premanand wrote:
Superpowers abound in the old tales of many nations.
Apparently there are no instances, in myth, or in the
history of any nation other than South Asia of states
of *yogic enstasis* as described by Patanjali in the
Yoga Sutras. Siddha Yoga has nothing to do with
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote:
That would be something.
TurquoiseB wrote:
It gets even weirder when people claim that things
they have NEVER experienced subjectively but have
only heard of are Truth. These things aren't even
subjective
I once visited an area in the Himalayas closeby Jyotirmath, Tapoban, where
siddhas are supposed to live. Other than the shrine of a recently deceased one,
Gudri Baba (who was mentioned in Swami Rama's Himalayan Masters book, as I
recall) I found no 'siddhas' there. When I pointed this out to an
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote:
John Jr wrote:
Siddhis are not restricted to the vedic literature.
The mastery of 'siddhis' is attained through the practice
of 'yoga', as described in the 'Yoga Sutras' of Patanjali
(circa 200 BC). According to
The mastery of 'siddhis' is attained through the practice
of 'yoga', as described in the 'Yoga Sutras' of Patanjali
(circa 200 BC). According to Mircea Eliade, the practice
of yogic enstasis is unique to South Asia.
WillyTex,
John Jr wrote:
You're missing my point. What I'm
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand premanandp...@... wrote:
I once visited an area in the Himalayas closeby Jyotirmath, Tapoban, where
siddhas are supposed to live. Other than the shrine of a recently deceased
one, Gudri Baba (who was mentioned in Swami Rama's Himalayan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand premanandp...@... wrote:
I once visited an area in the Himalayas closeby Jyotirmath, Tapoban, where
siddhas are supposed to live. Other than the shrine of a recently deceased
one, Gudri Baba (who was mentioned in Swami Rama's Himalayan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand premanandpaul@ wrote:
As I understand it from a muslim friend, Hindus take their
mythical writings literally. I guess the question is how
much we need to buy into the
On Jan 7, 2010, at 2:35 PM, WillyTex wrote:
Premanand wrote:
As Turquoise asks, then why not our own Fairy Tales
too? They have a lot in common with the Purananas.
Oh, but then they are not Indian or Vedic, huh!
The 'Fairey Tales' of Western cultures have nothing to
do with Yoga
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote:
The mastery of 'siddhis' is attained through the practice
of 'yoga', as described in the 'Yoga Sutras' of Patanjali
(circa 200 BC). According to Mircea Eliade, the practice
of yogic enstasis is unique to South
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 2:44 PM, Premanand premanandp...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
The Indian word puraaNa is an adjective meaning old, ancient; and a noun
meaning; tale of by-gone ages, Hindu mythology.
Superpowers abound in the old tales of many nations. So why take the Indian
Puranas any more
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