Like conveniently forgetting that my remarks about buildings falling were made
in the context of an article by a physicist?
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On Jan 19, 2008, at 11:11 PM, Rick Archer wrote:
(I started
posting here in May 2005, as did a few others who had
been regulars on alt.m.t, including Lawson, who dropped
out this past summer because he felt unappreciated.)
Translation: people didn’t appreciate the fact that he ignored
On Jan 19, 2008, at 11:18 PM, Rick Archer wrote:
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When I got my mantras
On Jan 19, 2008, at 11:41 PM, authfriend wrote:
We may not be using the term hypnosis the same
way, that's true. It's the element of suggestion
that I don't find consistent with TM, just on its
face.
What don't you find suggestive about sit easily?
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curtisdeltablues
curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
Yeah, well, if it's your POV that TM is
hypnosis,
like I said, forget it, whether
On Jan 20, 2008, at 8:41 AM, Peter wrote:
By the way, being trained to teach TM and hypnosis and
having experienced both here's my take: TM and
hypnosis are initially identical
Exactly. Sad thing is, some people get stuck on that initial phase and
never move beyond. When they go to a form
Brilliant.
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On Jan 19, 2008, at 11:41 PM, authfriend wrote:
We may not be using
It would be next to impossible to teach something to anyone without providing
some expectation. But children may really be what we think they are: innocent.
And, as I've suggested before, innocence (maintained throughout experience, or
[we hope] at least recovered before we fucking die)
That's why I trust it implicitly.
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Judy (snipped): As far as credibility is concerned, notice that
he himself *told* us he wasn't always regular.
Me (castrated and evicerated): What? Turq not regular??
What could you possibly mean, Judy??
How can that which is eternal not be regular?
I mean in the sense of regularly occurring.
But don't you think that Barry's point of view is just what the doctor
ordered???
For me, your point of view is that--on the grounds that all this is {infact}
that {mosquitoes included}.
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Curtis writes (snipped) They both seem to end up in the same place for me
subjectively. There
is a lack of study comparing the states of mind. These fields have
kept each other at arms length. That is where the lack of knowledge of
comparing them comes from.
Me writes (snipped): Amen
Judy (snipped): not in fact
Me (all butt): but in spirit.
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Here's my humble vote for best joke of the week:
Sounds like someone I know...me! Although I have not had the bottom
fall out of my world I did experience the world falling out of my
bottom in New Delhi!
Life's a blissy turd.
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Ruth (snipped) :Non sequitur from what? I think that teaching TM and checking
TM
involves a number of suggestions to put people in an open and relaxed
frame of mind before they start meditating. No big deal. Don't
people at least agree on that?
Me (snipped): Yes. And that is totally
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Actually when I went to Devi Bhava there were only about 50 of us. Very
intimate
I think the distinction was implicit in what Curtisdeltablues said, but Judy
missed it. Now that she understands it, I think we're all pretty much in
agreement.
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On Jan 20, 2008, at 11:58 AM, Rick Archer wrote:
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Actually when I went
On Jan 20, 2008, at 12:29 PM, ruthsimplicity wrote:
OK. I was getting the impression that there was a disagreement on the
use of suggestions because there was not a clear distinction made
between getting ready to meditate and meditating. It looks like Vaj
and Angela had the same impression as
Richard J. Williams wrote:
There's only one Sri Yantra, Bharat2, associated
with the Sri Vidya sect, and that is the Sri Chakra.
Bhairatu wrote:
My point was that many yantras have bij mantras on them
so you can't claim that Sri Yantra is the source.
There is only ONE
TurquoiseB wrote:
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Not everyone thought
On Jan 20, 2008, at 4:22 PM, tertonzeno wrote:
---This historical background is quite fascinating, but limited in
relavance as I see the situation. For example, I haven't found any
good techniques associated with the Sri Yantra. There's the Sri
Vidya mantra which I have chanted (and discarded
authfriend wrote:
As Rick pointed out, the TM mantras are standard bija
mantras. As to the method itself, why would he have
had to pick it up from somebody else?
And I and as well as many other have LONG pointed out too. But it is
not unknown for yogis, tantrics and priests to exchange
On Jan 19, 2008, at 12:10 PM, authfriend wrote:
We certainly do have what MMY *wants* folks to
understand, at least, about the origins of the method,
from the essay by Larry Domash in the first volume of
the Collected Papers: MMY dreamed it up himself, having
decided that the traditional
authfriend wrote:
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snip
We certainly do have what MMY *wants* folks to
understand, at least, about the origins of the method,
from the essay by Larry Domash in the first volume of
the Collected Papers: MMY dreamed it
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On Jan 19, 2008, at 12:10 PM, authfriend wrote:
We certainly do have what
I don't have the expertise to determine one way or another where the technique
came from and whether or not MMY invented it, but when I learned to meditate in
1946 in Germany, the technique was exactly the same as what I got with TM.
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Right on, you get it.
curtisdeltablues wrote:
I am having trouble with the uniqueness claim of TM. I'll give MMY
credit for standardizing the teaching process for his teachers. But
even the descriptions of the Jesus prayer for Christian monks (before
some of them learned TM) is very similar.
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, which he based upon his understanding of what Maharishi
told him.
You don't
I learned in 1946, but I had my teacher's daily and undivided attention after
that (since I was his only student) until I was twelve years old, and the
technique is VERY simple, after all. Then I met the man again when I was
seventeen. I remember very clearly. Have you forgotten how you were
On Jan 19, 2008, at 4:17 PM, authfriend wrote:
I'm mystified by why so many people get confused
about the difference between This is what MMY
says and What MMY says is true.
So then you're saying that what MMY says, at least on occasion, he
might feel to be lies or half-truths, but he says
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I wish Lawson were still here.
Invite him back. 50 per week, though.
No virus
On Jan 19, 2008, at 3:14 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
I find
it hard to believe that plenty of Japa practicers didn't chill out
with a similar technique to TM.
And of course they have. It's nothing new at all--except canned
parts like checking and mantra selection.
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I find
it hard to believe that plenty of Japa practicers didn't chill out
On Jan 19, 2008, at 5:25 PM, Sal Sunshine wrote:
On Jan 19, 2008, at 4:17 PM, authfriend wrote:
I'm mystified by why so many people get confused
about the difference between This is what MMY
says and What MMY says is true.
So then you're saying that what MMY says, at least on occasion,
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On Jan 19, 2008, at 5:57 PM, Rick Archer wrote:
Don’t know about mantra
On Jan 19, 2008, at 5:57 PM, Rick Archer wrote:
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I find
it hard
On Jan 19, 2008, at 5:17 PM, authfriend wrote:
We've been down this road before, Judy, and your point is
ludicrous.
Oh, it most certainly is not ludicrous. I'm sick
and tired of being pegged as a True Believer because
I quote something MMY has said in a discussion
*about* what he has said.
On Jan 19, 2008, at 6:18 PM, Rick Archer wrote:
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On Jan 19, 2008
On Jan 19, 2008, at 7:13 PM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote:
I wish Lawson were still here.
Invite him back. 50 per week, though.
What I wonder is whether Lawson directed his incessant posting to
another venue or just stopped cold turkey. I can't say that I have
been missing him.
He
curtisdeltablues wrote:
Yeah, but what does it mean to sit easily?
In hypnotic language theory it is a non specific instruction. It's
meaning will be some version of chill that the person decides for
themself. It is better than relax' which can cause an oppositional
reflex.
My guru
On Jan 19, 2008, at 9:42 PM, tertonzeno wrote:
---It's the power in the mantra that's essential; and not present to
the same degree in mantras of other traditions I've been intiated
into.
I've had the opposite experience.
I'm almost as new as you are, Ruth.
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Richard J. Williams wrote:
All the Saraswati Swamis are tantrics who
worship the Tripuransundari and belong to
the Sri Vidya sect.
Bhairitu wrote:
Fortunately most people here including Billy
don't take you as a reliable source.
Unfortunately, you didn't post any
Sir and Sire both have the Latin root of senex or old. But it's a great guess.
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Richard J. Williams
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When I got my mantras from Amma, there really was no formal instructions per
se
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Thanks. I saw from post record at the bottom of the site that it has
been
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(I started
posting here in May 2005, as did a few others who had
been regulars
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Not everyone thought his comments were unsubstantial.
I found many of them
Richard J. Williams wrote:
Billy wrote:
It appears MMY will be going to the grave without revealing
where the mantras came from, how they were formulated and if
there is any traditional lineage, aka a Parampara...
Billy - They all come from Guru Dev and the Sri Vidya sect of
BillyG. wrote:
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Richard J. Williams wrote:
Billy wrote:
It appears MMY will be going to the grave without revealing
where the mantras came from, how they were formulated and if
there is any
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