Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima

2015-08-05 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I hope we can keep it going. I'm enjoying the interaction with him. I welcome different opinions as long as they don't come with a side dish of offal. We don't have too many "crossovers" (-: Along those lines, do you think xeno ha

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima

2015-08-05 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I hope we can keep it going. We don't have too many "crossovers" (-: Along those lines, do you think xeno has some chameleon dna inim? (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I actually like geezer's recent posts, although I

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima

2015-08-05 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I actually like geezer's recent posts, although I do not have time to comment on them at the moment, other than to say that they were well argued and lacking in venom. I understand what he is saying. The fact that he is taking the time to re

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima

2015-08-05 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : More tomorrow but WTF? I didn't write "Fair enougj' below. Who did? Now, about the "same old group" you say I know about. I kind of know who posts. Do I know who lurks? No. And "lurking reporters'? What?? Haha, I'm surprised you missed all

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima

2015-08-05 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Yes, I also enjoy the different perspective, discussed without devolving into the "venom", as you say. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I actually like geezer's recent posts, although I do not have time to comment on them at the moment, other than to say that they were well argu

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima

2015-08-05 Thread feste37
I actually like geezer's recent posts, although I do not have time to comment on them at the moment, other than to say that they were well argued and lacking in venom. I understand what he is saying. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : More tomorrow but WTF? I didn't write "Fair en

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima

2015-08-04 Thread geezerfr...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
More tomorrow but WTF is this? I didn't write "Fair Enougj" below. Aside from that, you think I have some kind or cognition about who is reading here? Lurking reporters? Jumping to conclusions much??? Let's cut to the chase: should I just keep my opinions to myself? But you know the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima

2015-08-04 Thread geezerfr...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
More tomorrow but WTF? I didn't write "Fair enougj' below. Who did? Now, about the "same old group" you say I know about. I kind of know who posts. Do I know who lurks? No. And "lurking reporters'? What?? But you know the audience at FFL and they are just the same old group less a fe

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima

2015-08-04 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : My responses in blue below: I see. So unless you have something nice to say about MMY or the TMO, keep yer yap shut, is that it? No, that's not it. Do you actually think I am a supporter of MMY and the Movement after all I have posted h

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima

2015-08-04 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Absolutely true and understandable. On the other hand, so many comment venues have shut down for pretty much the same reason. People disagree, and pretty soon their disagreements become vendettas, and before you know it, anything goes. Takes place on both sides of an issue, but some

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima

2015-08-04 Thread geezerfr...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
My responses in blue below: I see. So unless you have something nice to say about MMY or the TMO, keep yer yap shut, is that it? No, that's not it. Do you actually think I am a supporter of MMY and the Movement after all I have posted here over the few years I have been around? I am not

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima

2015-08-04 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
it helps geez, in my opinion to keep the dialog honest. what you describe below, has been helpful for many in sorting out their experience in the TMO. It's been that way for me, and I suspect, Ann. What happens though, is that after enough times of being accused of being a cult apologi

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima

2015-08-04 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Actually Ann, I reflected on this a bit today amidst the hussle and bussle. You would think that 38 years after someone left an organization, their comments about that organization may become less, instead of more. I don't know what you chalk that up to. Perhaps geez, or som

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima

2015-08-04 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
-- *From:* "sri...@ymail.com" *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Monday, August 3, 2015 11:00 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima I do not have that supreme human good fortune but maybe for me I am better off for it; as when the Thun

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima

2015-08-04 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Thanks for your reply. I have a few things to add: I see. So unless you have something nice to say about MMY or the TMO, keep yer yap shut, is that it? No, that's not it. Do you actually think I am a supporter of MMY and the Movement after

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima

2015-08-04 Thread geezerfr...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I see. So unless you have something nice to say about MMY or the TMO, keep yer yap shut, is that it? Here's the deal, if you want that perspective you have it in spades with the official TMO sites, and, increasingly, what is left of this one. This site was created by Rick to provide a plac

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima

2015-08-04 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Yes, I saw the Scientology documentary, and yes there are similarities between Scientology and TMO in terms of their cultist aspects, and quite a few more differences, I'd say. I spent a good eight years (from late teens to early 20's) totally

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima

2015-08-04 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Yes, I saw the Scientology documentary, and yes there are similarities between Scientology and TMO in terms of their cultist aspects, and quite a few more differences, I'd say. I spent a good eight years (from late teens to early 20's) totally immersed in the cause, and yes I do enjoy rehashi

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima

2015-08-03 Thread geezerfr...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I've seen these kinds of comments from R and others over the years. Basically it boils down to "it was years ago, what's yer problem, get over it!" Why is this so hard to understand? We (those of us who were knee deep into the TMO during the 70s and early 80s) spent the better part of our 20s

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima

2015-08-03 Thread geezerfr...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
That's totally cool Srijau, if your experience has been all positive. As the Aussy's say "good on ya"! If you are aware of the reality of working closely with MMY, and chose to ignore or to accept and not care, then it sounds like all is close to perfect for you. My only point in bringing

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima

2015-08-03 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 3, 2015 11:00 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima I do not have that supreme human good fortune but maybe for me I am better off for it; as when the Thunderbird Miigis came to teach no one could survive his intense spiritual radiance in human

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima

2015-08-03 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : none of these claims are news to me and I don't care. Every day peoples behavior gets misinterpreted, all our behaviors are subjects to interpretation. Recently I heard someone say that he asked Maharishi in the early 2000's if he was deliberat

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima

2015-08-03 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
w they might manifest I innocently just knew it to be God. Isn't subjectivity fascinating? From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 3, 2015 5:01 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima

2015-08-03 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
What's also sort of interesting, Ann, is that for many, over the years, their opinion of MMY and the TMO becomes more and more diminished to the point that he is totally insignificant, but yet, here they are, seven days a week talking about him, and his organization. Maybe Nabby was right, th

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima

2015-08-03 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
feeling that he/she is there is unmistakable. I am sure everyone here has had a similar experience of some sort. From: "srijau@..." To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 3, 2015 11:00 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima I do not have that sup

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima

2015-08-03 Thread srijau
I suggest reading Svoboda's Vimalananda books, his Guru had some interesting strategies for driving away people who he didn't consider serious.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima

2015-08-03 Thread srijau
none of these claims are news to me and I don't care. Every day peoples behavior gets misinterpreted, all our behaviors are subjects to interpretation. Recently I heard someone say that he asked Maharishi in the early 2000's if he was deliberately slowing the growth of the Movement for a time an

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima

2015-08-03 Thread Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
e as described in M's Seven states of consciousness lecture. From: "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 3, 2015 5:01 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima   ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima

2015-08-03 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Right, I thought not. If you ever actually worked day to day with him you'd have a very different experience that included some incredibly banal behavior, including temper tantrums, jealousy, obsession with money and a near melt down when one o

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima

2015-08-03 Thread Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Right, he wasn't hard on the ears. It just got boring after you've heard him say the same thing several times. From: "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 3, 2015 4:57 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLif

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima

2015-08-03 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
erience of some sort. From: "srijau@..." To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 3, 2015 11:00 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima I do not have that supreme human good fortune but maybe for me I am better off for it; as when the Thunderbird Mii

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima

2015-08-03 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I always found him hard to listen to also, whether in person or on tape. I spent almost four years at MIU as a full time student, not to mention SCI at Livingston Manor as well as Forest Academies (which seemed like months long - maybe they

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima

2015-08-03 Thread feste37
Well, no man is a hero to his valet, no writer is a hero to his editor, and I guess no guru is a hero to his intimates. There has to be some distance there for the ideal to be perceived and maintained. And as I think we have agreed on this forum in the past, the personality never becomes God, or

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima

2015-08-03 Thread geezerfr...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Right, I thought not. If you ever actually worked day to day with him you'd have a very different experience that included some incredibly banal behavior, including temper tantrums, jealousy, obsession with money and a near melt down when one of his girlfriends (who flew the coup) couldn't be fo

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima

2015-08-03 Thread Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
hoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 3, 2015 11:00 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima   I do not have that supreme human good fortune but maybe for me I am better off for it; as when the Thunderbird Miigis came to teach no one could survive his intense spiritual radiance in huma

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima

2015-08-03 Thread Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I always found him hard to listen to also, whether in person or on tape. From: "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 3, 2015 10:39 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima   ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, w

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima

2015-08-03 Thread srijau
I do not have that supreme human good fortune but maybe for me I am better off for it; as when the Thunderbird Miigis came to teach no one could survive his intense spiritual radiance in human form and he had to leave. Likewise according to Judaism we cannot survive in the full presence of the E

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima

2015-08-02 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Look any defense of MMY meets with criticism in some quarters, but it seems just as likely that because TM was "teaching movement" as much as a "knowledge movement", that it may have made more sense to have some prohibition on this "seeing other teachers" prohibition. I would say it was for t

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima

2015-08-02 Thread geezerfr...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Question Srijau: Did you ever work with MMY, spend real day to day time with him? thats more along the lines of if I can imagine anthing negative to say, I will say it. Maharishi didnt spend much on himself. He was frugal. He was not extravagant. He certainly built an empire of positive v

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima

2015-08-02 Thread geezerfr...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Well put, precisely Mike! No, Maharishi was more likely sheltering his income base. Maybe this is just the cynicism in me but I remember someone asked M about owning pets. He said they were a *drain*. Naturally everyone took that as that they would *sap* your psychic energies or some such

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima

2015-08-02 Thread srijau
thats more along the lines of if I can imagine anthing negative to say, I will say it. Maharishi didnt spend much on himself. He was frugal. He was not extravagant. He certainly built an empire of positive ventures to benefit all of humanity and that took money to do. We have a tremendous amount

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima

2015-08-02 Thread Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
he meant that they cost a lot to keep, feed healthcare etc. Why not spend it on Me, I'll be your pet, I'll drain you!  From: "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2015 11:43 AM Subject: Re

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima

2015-08-02 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
Other gurus encourage their followers to visit other saints and to learn additional things from them. Maharishi wanted to jealously shelter his followers. On 08/02/2015 08:18 AM, geezerfr...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Me: So you were in Chicago seeing another guru? SO off the program!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima

2015-08-02 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : LOL! It certainly doesn't *flow* well, now does it? An awful lot of effort to get out a message. Do more and accomplish less! Surely this can't be for real, it has to be a parody - if not intentional then unintentional. Whoever conceived o

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima

2015-08-02 Thread Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
LOL! It certainly doesn't *flow* well, now does it? An awful lot of effort to get out a message. Do more and accomplish less! From: "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2015 8:56 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purn

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima

2015-08-02 Thread Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I think this *commercial* has created a gag reflex. I don't think I'll be able to take another taste of honey for a long time. From: "j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 1, 2015 9:27 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gu