Re: [Finale] Band Publishers and fixing parts

2003-07-13 Thread John Howell
Richard Huggins wrote: Well, actually...if the song is a copyrighted song an arrangement of it cannot be copyrighted by anyone other than the owner of the copyright. Not quite true, as far as I know. The copyright owner may, indeed grant permission to the arranger to copyright the arrangement in

Re: [Finale] Band Publishers and fixing parts

2003-07-13 Thread David H. Bailey
I got the impression that perhaps the copy he was working from had the copyright notice chopped off at the bottom. But assuming he is working from an original, he is still right that copyright notices which may be very clear when printed, may still be obscure or impossible to track at the prese

Re: [Finale] Band Publishers and fixing parts

2003-07-12 Thread Richard Huggins
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Often on arrangements there is a copyright notice but the notice refers to > the arrangement and not to the original copyright owner. Well, actually...if the song is a copyrighted song an arrangement of it cannot be copyrighted by anyone other than the owner of the cop

Re: [Finale] Band Publishers and fixing parts

2003-07-12 Thread YATESLAWRENCE
Often on arrangements there is a copyright notice but the notice refers to the arrangement and not to the original copyright owner.   All the best, Lawrence http://lawrenceyates.co.uk

Re: [Finale] Band Publishers and fixing parts

2003-07-12 Thread John Howell
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is sometimes difficult to find out who the copyright owner is. When you come right down to it, it's the copyright owner's responsibility to provide that specific information at least in the form of a copyright notice. No, it's not legally required since January 1, 19

Re: [Finale] Band Publishers and fixing parts

2003-07-12 Thread John Howell
Christopher BJ Smith wrote: Really, I don't think any publisher cares if some band director makes his own arrangement to play with his own band. In fact, since any additional performance of a work makes them more money through performance rights, they LIKE people making arrangements. Just two s

Re: [Finale] Band Publishers and fixing parts

2003-07-12 Thread David H. Bailey
The publishers selling their music with single copies camera ready are simply admitting to what is happening in practice anyway. It doesn't affect the legal climate for anyone other than those publishers, however. What publisher A allows in no way forces publisher B to allow the same thing, u

Re: [Finale] Band Publishers and fixing parts

2003-07-12 Thread Richard Huggins
Speaking to one side of this issue, but possibly a consideration being weighed by the pubs that don't offer supplemntal parts, as a composer-arranger of the band piece, I'd probably be more concerned about the decisions the director made as to what he doubled, what he grouped, in that the piece is

Re: [Finale] Band Publishers and fixing parts

2003-07-12 Thread Christopher BJ Smith
At 1:26 PM -0400 7/12/03, Tom Jordan wrote: Whoa! This turning into a discussion between well intended, honest engravers who will get permission from the copyright owner. However, I see a serious issue with the overworked, short of time band director who fixes his/her parts to make the ensemble

Re: [Finale] Band Publishers and fixing parts

2003-07-12 Thread Tom Jordan
Whoa! This turning into a discussion between well intended, honest engravers who will get permission from the copyright owner. However, I see a serious issue with the overworked, short of time band director who fixes his/her parts to make the ensemble a highly refined "music machine." Damn the

Re: [Finale] Band Publishers and fixing parts

2003-07-12 Thread Tom Jordan
The US Copyright Office has a form for your good intentions stating that if the copyright owner comes forward that you will pay them. I don't know other details on how that would work. Tom Jordan On Saturday, July 12, 2003, at 03:38 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is sometimes difficult to find

Re: [Finale] Band Publishers and fixing parts

2003-07-12 Thread Tom Jordan
I should add that although my question is hypothetical, I have been reading a band director who is praising how he can do these things with Finale. I am a writer and a teacher, but not a band director. And I am not certain that fair use covers transposing an oboe part for an alto sax, although

Re: [Finale] Band Publishers and fixing parts

2003-07-12 Thread Richard Huggins
Two excellent resources for copyright owner determination are the databases of the performance rights organizations, ASCAP and BMI. Of course, if the composer or publisher never registered the song with either of those, you won't find it there, but most songs are registered with one or the other.

Re: [Finale] Band Publishers and fixing parts

2003-07-12 Thread David H. Bailey
I don't know about for countries other than the U.S., but much copyright information is searchable on the the Library of Congress web-site. Other resources (for the U.S. at least) include www.mpa.org (Music Publishers Association) which carries a list of publishers and their imprints. Yet othe

Re: [Finale] Band Publishers and fixing parts

2003-07-12 Thread YATESLAWRENCE
It is sometimes difficult to find out who the copyright owner is. I wanted to make an arrangement of some copyright music (for a different type of ensemble from the original, but was unable to find an address to which to write to get permission. (The copy of the music I had was an arrangement but

RE: [Finale] Band Publishers and fixing parts

2003-07-11 Thread James O'Briant
Tom Jordan wrote, in part: > What are publishers doing to address > the creation of parts to match student > band personnel? Some, like Bayside Music Press, sell a set that includes a score and one copy of each part. Purchase of the set includes permission to make additional copies of parts fo

Re: [Finale] Band Publishers and fixing parts

2003-07-11 Thread John Howell
Tom Jordan wrote: What are publishers doing to address the creation of parts to match student band personnel? Depends entirely on the publisher. But if you have a particular situation, you can always call or write for permission to do what you need to do, given that you do own legally-purchase

[Finale] Band Publishers and fixing parts

2003-07-11 Thread Tom Jordan
What are publishers doing to address the creation of parts to match student band personnel? This has come as a personal alarm to me. Do the publishers actually grant any license to that junior high band with 12 tenor saxes and 1 trombone to duplicate or manufacture a transposed part for these a