Re: [Finale] TAN: Slurs on long, tied notes

On Mar 16, 2006, at 12:44 PM, Robert Patterson wrote: Whether you want them or not, whether you agree with Ted Ross or not, an engraving program should have them. Ted Ross (among a bare handful of others) defines some industry best-practices. You don't have to take his suggestions, of course,

Re: [Finale] TAN: Slurs on long, tied notes

At 11:26 PM 3/16/06 +, Robert Patterson wrote: >But an unreliable one is worse than useless What's unreliable? I don't understand that. It's a kludge, but it works if you really need it. If a composer asks for it -- and they have -- you gotta do it some way! Dennis -- Please participate

Re: [Finale] Continual midi problems

Hi Hiro, Thanks! I'm really glad that you responded with this. I have a friend who uses MTP/AV and is having this same issue as Mike. As a work around for now, we have set up two different AMS configurations; one for DP/Giga Studio and one for Finale. She has to go between the two se

[Finale] Re: Thesaurus of Orchestral Devices

Hi Finale-listers, Just to let everyone know that we've finally been successful in reviving the Gardner Read Thesaurus of Orchestral Devices which is now in stock @ $59.95. I know some on this list were interested, so please forgive the brief commercial. If anyone has suggestions for similar publi

Re: [Finale] Ligatures in Finale 2006d

Thank you so much Christopher for taking the time to do this, I was out today and just got back from work. I will definitely write to techsupport to know how this feature is supposed to work in normal conditions, and what is not working as expected. Le 06-03-16 à 08:57, Christopher Smith a

Re: [Finale] TAN: Slurs on long, tied notes

I stand by my statement. "Practical" was a carefully chosen word. This proposed "solution" is too unreliable and troublesome for me to implement even once. I will consider troublesome solutions that are reliable. But an unreliable one is worse than useless, no matter how easy or difficult it is

Re: [Finale] TAN: Slurs on long, tied notes

On Mar 16, 2006, at 4:27 PM, John Howell wrote: At 3:06 PM -0500 3/16/06, Christopher Smith wrote: Oh, I don't think we were talking about terminology at all; we were discussing what shape slurs should have. I don't think it makes any difference if they are serving as slurs or phrase marks.

Re: [Finale] TAN: Slurs on long, tied notes

At 08:44 PM 3/16/06 +, Robert Patterson wrote: >With regards to proper long slurs, Finale can't do them, >and it is perhaps the only remaining missing feature that >cannot be achieved practically by any means using any >workaround. Practically, no. Impractically, yes. It's really inconvenie

Re: [Finale] TAN: Slurs on long, tied notes

On Mar 15, 2006, at 8:31 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Sorry guys -- slurs that don't extend to the final tied note are a massive pet peeve of mine. For starters, they make it much more difficult for wind players to decide where to take a breath. Slurs are not a "fast event" -- slurs indicate

Re: [Finale] TAN: Slurs on long, tied notes

At 3:06 PM -0500 3/16/06, Christopher Smith wrote: Oh, I don't think we were talking about terminology at all; we were discussing what shape slurs should have. I don't think it makes any difference if they are serving as slurs or phrase marks. Well, yes, except that a true slur (articulation i

Re: [Finale] TAN: Slurs on long, tied notes

On Mar 16, 2006, at 12:11 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: I will post it to you privately when I get home tonight. You probably won't like my settings, but then again, you don't have to. I don't like them myself half the time, and the other half I don't have the time to mess with them. Are you o

Re: [Finale] TAN: Slurs on long, tied notes

With regards to proper long slurs, Finale can't do them, and it is perhaps the only remaining missing feature that cannot be achieved practically by any means using any workaround. We simply have to live without right now (and apparently the foreseeable future, unless Sib. adds them). :-( The on

Re: [Finale] TAN: Slurs on long, tied notes

Christopher Smith wrote: Oh, I don't think we were talking about terminology at all; we were discussing what shape slurs should have. I don't think it makes any difference if they are serving as slurs or phrase marks. I was just saying that I thought it is not necessary to have perfectly fla

Re: [Finale] TAN: Slurs on long, tied notes

On Mar 16, 2006, at 12:24 PM, Mark D Lew wrote: On Mar 16, 2006, at 6:28 AM, Christopher Smith wrote: Well, it's hard for me to argue with Ted Ross (or even you, an experienced user and engraver) but I am perfectly at ease with continuous curves on slurs. A perfectly flat line might take on

Re: [Finale] TAN: Slurs on long, tied notes

Oh, I don't think we were talking about terminology at all; we were discussing what shape slurs should have. I don't think it makes any difference if they are serving as slurs or phrase marks. I was just saying that I thought it is not necessary to have perfectly flat parts of slurs, as Mark p

Re: [Finale] Continual midi problems

Karen Guthery / 2006/03/16 / 12:20 PM wrote: >One other thing, are you running any other sequencing programs such >as Logic or DP at the same time? Hi Karen, This shouldn't matter, in my experiences, tho. I actually do this all the time, running FinMac and DP at the same time, and switching b

Re: [Finale] TAN: Slurs on long, tied notes

On Mar 16, 2006, at 6:28 AM, Christopher Smith wrote: Well, it's hard for me to argue with Ted Ross (or even you, an experienced user and engraver) but I am perfectly at ease with continuous curves on slurs. A perfectly flat line might take on the aspect of a staff line, second ending bracket,

Re: [Finale] Continual midi problems

Hi Mike, Have you tried another USB cable? Also, the most recent driver for your Radium 49 was released on 1/30/2006. If you haven't already, you might try downloading and installing that driver and then set up AMS again. One other thing, are you running any other sequencing programs su

Re: [Finale] Ligatures in Finale 2006d

At 12:26 AM -0800 3/16/06, Mark D Lew wrote: On Mar 15, 2006, at 8:59 PM, John Howell wrote: OK, I need to ask what you specifically mean by ligatures. The reason is that I'm currently teaching an Early Music Lit course, and my students are transcribing a 15th century chanson that contains a

Re: [Finale] TAN: Slurs on long, tied notes

At 9:28 AM -0500 3/16/06, Christopher Smith wrote: Well, it's hard for me to argue with Ted Ross (or even you, an experienced user and engraver) but I am perfectly at ease with continuous curves on slurs. A perfectly flat line might take on the aspect of a staff line, second ending bracket, or

Re: [Finale] TAN: Slurs on long, tied notes; Tubin

I happen to be helping my son, the bass player, copy out the piano reduction of the Bass Concerto by Eduard Tubin. (It's written for bass with solo tuning - that is with all four strings tuned a step higher - and he is learning it first on regular tuning. So he and I are copying it so he can

Re: [Finale] TAN: Slurs on long, tied notes

John Bell / 2006/03/16 / 08:39 PM wrote: >But Darcy -- surely a tie means you don't take a breath/change bow? I >can't see where any difficulty arises for wind players, or indeed for >anyone. I agree with Darcy. Slur indicates phrasing. Composers including even 20th Century classical, knowi

[Finale] Re: TAN: Slurs on long, tied notes

"Colin Broom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote > I'm working on a piece at the moment that happens to have some long > notes tied over several bars. Now I know that conventional wisdom > says that if one note is slurred to the next, the slur should extend > from the very first note over/under all of th

Re: [Finale] Continual midi problems

Mike Greensill / 2006/03/15 / 06:38 PM wrote: >Finale (2006c) will not recognize my midi keyboard (Radium 49 - USB >connection) on my mac powerbook (10.4.5) both after I've put the >computer to sleep and after it's been shut down. > >Here's the hoops I have to go to make it work: When I initi

Re: [Finale] TAN: Slurs on long, tied notes

Well, it's hard for me to argue with Ted Ross (or even you, an experienced user and engraver) but I am perfectly at ease with continuous curves on slurs. A perfectly flat line might take on the aspect of a staff line, second ending bracket, or some sort of extension line instead of the expected

Re: [Finale] Ligatures in Finale 2006d

Hmm, further testing. This same effect occurs in text expressions as well. Christopher On Mar 16, 2006, at 8:57 AM, Christopher Smith wrote: I only tested fi, because that was the ligature that appeared in Dennis' example. I used the default lyric font from Finale's Maestro Default File,

Re: [Finale] Ligatures in Finale 2006d

On Mar 16, 2006, at 8:57 AM, Christopher Smith wrote: I only tested fi, because that was the ligature that appeared in Dennis' example. Sorry, of course I meant Éric's example. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.s

Re: [Finale] Ligatures in Finale 2006d

I only tested fi, because that was the ligature that appeared in Dennis' example. I used the default lyric font from Finale's Maestro Default File, which is Times 12 plain. I went back to check other ligatures, and apparently fi and fl are the only ones substituted. Ae and oe are not, though

Re: [Finale] OT: Arrangement Contract Question

I stand corrected. Although I don't know the details of Belden's problems. I know the estate objected; whether they actually had a judge decide or whether Belden et al decided not to go against the estate's wishes to avoid a court battle is not clear to me. It comes out to the same end, thou

Re: [Finale] Ligatures in Finale 2006d

look at the difference in the letters fi on the title and in the text. One is with ligature character and the othe with the two letters. Le 06-03-16 à 04:17, dhbailey a écrit : What am I missing? I'm on windows, and when I look at the two examples, I see nothing in the first example which i

Re: [Finale] Ligatures in Finale 2006d

Times. A system font. Le 06-03-16 à 04:18, dc a écrit : This is interesting, because I've gone through a lot of trouble to get ligatures in Finale, and never found any way to do so. What font are you using, and what kind of a font is it? Eric Dussault Finale 2006c for Mac Real-time Finale

Re: [Finale] Ligatures in Finale 2006d

In fact I was talking about text ligatures, not the music. You can look at the example on the link given in the original post to see it. Le 06-03-15 à 23:59, John Howell a écrit : In fact early music notation is filled with ligatures up through and including the 16th century. I have a stra

Re: [Finale] OT: Arrangement Contract Question

Phil Daley wrote: 2. I take an SATB choral piece and arrange it for TTBB. I'll propose an answer to this, but would first not the the distinction between copyright--the right to control the reproduce the physical medium upon which the music is carried, either the paper of the score, of th

Re: [Finale] TAN: Slurs on long, tied notes

On 16.03.2006 Colin Broom wrote: I'm working on a piece at the moment that happens to have some long notes tied over several bars. Now I know that conventional wisdom says that if one note is slurred to the next, the slur should extend from the very first note over/under all of the ties to th

Re: [Finale] Ligatures in Finale 2006d

dc wrote: dhbailey écrit: Before jumping to conclusions about whether that really is a ligature or is actually simply two characters kerned too closely so they appear in the eps as a ligature, I would suggest that some other letter combinations be added to verse 2 and 3 and 4, right beneath

Re: [Finale] Ligatures in Finale 2006d

dc wrote: Éric Dussault écrit: I was working on a vocal piece this week and noticed that Finale 2006 is automatically transforming common ligatures (like fi to Þ for example). Once an eps is exported into a DTP program, the ligatures are gone. Is this a bug, and can someone replicate this prob

Re: [Finale] Ligatures in Finale 2006d

Christopher Smith wrote: I can confirm the behaviour, FinMac2006c, OSX 10.3.9. I saved an EPS which I then converted to PDF with Preview. Ligatures are automatically added in the Finale file, no way that I can find to remove them, then they are stripped once the EPS is converted to PDF, with

Re: [Finale] TAN: Slurs on long, tied notes

Colin Broom wrote: I'm working on a piece at the moment that happens to have some long notes tied over several bars. Now I know that conventional wisdom says that if one note is slurred to the next, the slur should extend from the very first note over/under all of the ties to the very last no

Re: [Finale] OT: Arrangement Contract Question

On Mar 15, 2006, at 9:41 AM, Phil Daley wrote: 1. I take a Bach chorale and arrange it for a bell choir. The Bach chorale is public domain, so you have complete freedom to do whatever you want with it. Partial exception: if you happen to be working from someone else's copyrighted edition

[Finale] OT: Booting WinXP on a MacIntel

Pretty sure this will be of interest:The contest to boot Windows XP on the Mac is over. The winners will receive $13,854:Contest has been won - updates to follow shortly. All further donations will go into an account to sustain the open s

Re: [Finale] Ligatures in Finale 2006d

On Mar 15, 2006, at 8:59 PM, John Howell wrote: OK, I need to ask what you specifically mean by ligatures. The reason is that I'm currently teaching an Early Music Lit course, and my students are transcribing a 15th century chanson that contains a number of ligatures. In fact early music no