Re: [Finale] music literacy

2006-04-02 Thread Phil Daley
At 4/1/2006 08:44 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: >But the requirement Phil is placing on these pieces is completely >arbitrary and if applied honestly would eliminate a lot of the works >he considers to be music. I agree that improvisation is not notatable. But, if an entire piece is improvisation,

Re: [Finale] music literacy

2006-04-02 Thread Christopher Smith
On Apr 2, 2006, at 8:37 AM, Phil Daley wrote: At 4/1/2006 08:44 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: >But the requirement Phil is placing on these pieces is completely >arbitrary and if applied honestly would eliminate a lot of the works >he considers to be music. I agree that improvisation is not nota

Re: [Finale] music literacy

2006-04-02 Thread John Howell
At 5:54 PM -0500 4/1/06, Darcy James Argue wrote: On 01 Apr 2006, at 5:40 PM, Peter Taylor wrote: But isn't that the point? They decided to promote their music themselves on MySpace Music presumably because the record companies couldn't recognise they had any prospect as moneyspinners (but I

Re: [Finale] music literacy

2006-04-02 Thread John Howell
At 8:37 AM -0400 4/2/06, Phil Daley wrote: But, if an entire piece is improvisation, it is not music, it is performance art. Oh darn, there goes Cage and everything aleatoric. And all good dixieland bands. And here they thought they were playing music! (Who knows what Cage thought!) I t

Re: [Finale] music literacy

2006-04-02 Thread Andrew Stiller
On Apr 1, 2006, at 7:44 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: I thought he asked if different ensembles would sound the same playing from the score. Given that no two identical percussion instruments sound precisely the same, I'd say that it's unlikely that any two performances of Ionisation would sound i

Subject: Re: Subject: Re: [Finale] music literacy 2

2006-04-02 Thread SteveSTCC
In a message dated 4/2/06 1:02:26 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << From: Stephen Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > The Music Man had "rap-like" passages (i.e. parts of "You've Got > Trouble") which led to fully pitched-tone cadences as the climax... Not all. "Rock Island", the

Re: [Finale] music literacy

2006-04-02 Thread Mark D Lew
On Apr 2, 2006, at 7:34 AM, Christopher Smith wrote: I must confess that Mark's earlier observation – saying "this is not music" is really saying "I don't like this music" – is starting to sound more and more true. Actually I observed only that that's the case for some people. My larger poi

Re: [Finale] music literacy

2006-04-02 Thread Kurt Gnos
And there go all classical improvisations from Bach over Mozart, Beethoven, Brahms, even E. T. A. Hoffmann, and of course myself improvising...;-) Oh my god! I played a t the church today and did four improvisations. And I thought it was music...? This is ridiculous! Improvisation (in a good

Re: [Finale] Finale import into Sibelius question

2006-04-02 Thread Richard Smith
Sibelius claims it is. I think what has to be done is to save the Finale files in ~.etf format. Finale files stored in ~.mus format are not readable by S~, as I recall. Earlier versions of Sibelius would read both formats but ETF works better; .mus files tend to have errors that prevent good

Re: [Finale] Finale import into Sibelius question

2006-04-02 Thread Raymond Horton
Raymond Horton wrote: I sent her one Fin2005 file, and she wrote back "My home computer said I could not open it because I did not have Anastasia font." Noel Stoutenburg wrote: Hmmm. Did you use a font named Anastasia in your file? If so, she will have to obtain a copy to be able to pro

Re: [Finale] Finale import into Sibelius question

2006-04-02 Thread Raymond Horton
Thanks to Richard and Noel for advice on this issue. It sounds like a 2003 in ETF format will be the safest way, (short of a Sibelius upgrade) to transmit to a Sibelius 2.1 user. Raymond Horton ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.

Re: Subject: Re: Subject: Re: [Finale] music literacy 2

2006-04-02 Thread dhbailey
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/2/06 1:02:26 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << From: Stephen Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Music Man had "rap-like" passages (i.e. parts of "You've Got Trouble") which led to fully pitched-tone cadences as the climax...

Re: Subject: Re: Subject: Re: [Finale] music literacy 2

2006-04-02 Thread Chuck Israels
Ernst Toch wrote a choral piece I "sang" as a teenager that had no pitches. Some of the words were (please excuse my ignorance of German spelling, Johannes and others): Popocatepetl ist nicht in Canada, zunder in Mexico, Mexico, Mexico. Whatever else it was, I remain under the impression t

Re: Subject: Re: Subject: Re: [Finale] music literacy 2

2006-04-02 Thread John Howell
At 5:38 PM -0700 4/2/06, Chuck Israels wrote: Ernst Toch wrote a choral piece I "sang" as a teenager that had no pitches. Some of the words were (please excuse my ignorance of German spelling, Johannes and others): Popocatepetl ist nicht in Canada, zunder in Mexico, Mexico, Mexico. That woul

[Finale] Re: Finale import into Sibelius question

2006-04-02 Thread Michael Good
Hi Raymond, As Noel suggested, the problem here is version skew. Sibelius 2.1 supports import up through Finale 2002 using ETF files. Recordare's file translation services help with this type of "can't get there from here" problem. We would use Dolet 3 for Finale to export a MusicXML file from Fi